hypochondriac Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 Ahahah he was against ten men and Redmond didn't run at him at all as he was so deep. He's bloody awful. Get over it. Bellend alert.
The9 Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 We'll have to agree to disagree. But both of the goals that we conceded that Targett (rightly) gets blamed for were a direct result of him being too far forward (break outs after our corners). Its not that he does not get forward (he does), but he is too slow to get back when the opposition counter-attack. His defending is perfectly acceptable when he is "in position". His crossing is at least on par with Shaw's before he left, but clearly not up to Bertrand's standard. Well the one Newcastle goal came from him passing the ball straight to the opposition, so no argument he was at fault there, but he definitely wasn't too far up the pitch for that one because he was in his own half with the entire game ahead of him, and it was Martina hanging around watching rather than getting back to defend which was why there was a free header at the end of it. The other one presumably was the awful corner we conceded from, and I'm not sure why that's his fault any more than anyone's else's *if* he's not one of the players we leave back to defend that. By "on a par with Shaw" you mean "crap" then.
The9 Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 Or a not bias alert. Oh, when everyone's saying it and you have absolutely no basis for any "bias" claims, I think you kinda just have to accept you're in the minority.
eelpie Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 So do players have to carry the baggage of forumites disapproval every time they play? Or can they be allowed to start the next game without?
doddisalegend Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 Ahahah he was against ten men and Redmond didn't run at him at all as he was so deep. He's bloody awful. Get over it. LOL Targett has had some shocking moments this season but he had Redmond in his back pocket that day stood him up well and tackled him several times. Wouldn't be surprised if he had come up against Redmond in the England squad and got the measure of him. FWIW I actually think Targett has improved the more games he has played this season not good enough to dislodge a fit Bertrand but not bad back up at all.
Bobbyboy Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 FWIW I actually think Targett has improved the more games he has played this season not good enough to dislodge a fit Bertrand but not bad back up at all. Agree with this. He's a long way from the finished article but there have been signs of improvement I think. Right now I think I'd rather have him there than Danny Fox, and there were spells earlier in the season where I might now have said that. Although the crossing is well below Fox standard.
Saints-1994 Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 I'm already having nightmares of Lambert/Rondon dropping onto our full backs. If we're going to get something from this game we have to score 2. I'm going 2-2- Lambert to score last.
SaintMB Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 The best way for these young players to improve is with game time. Game time in the Premier League is probably the best environment too, rather than being farmed out to the L1 team. Targett has done the job and although he can't quite et his head around the chicken/egg puzzle, he is doing his best on the pitch this season when the team has needed him. Bertrand will slot back in when fit, but in time Targett will be our first choice. The guy is a local lad and should be supported!
Red Posted 10 September, 2015 Posted 10 September, 2015 would love it if at the end of the season he signs a nice new deal. Didn't sound like it - made a very specific reference to seeing out his contract IMHO - think he will leave at the end of the contract for another challenge. Hope I am wrong though!
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I'm already having nightmares of Lambert/Rondon dropping onto our full backs. Perhaps a reason to play 3 centre backs?
Lazlo78 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Clasie will be a little longer. Good. I thought his size might be a problem. Good to see the club are willing to do whatever it takes!
oldsarum Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 we tried 3 centre backs there last season but gave up on that after half an hour as it wasn't working, not that we improved that much after that
ericofarabia Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Good. I thought his size might be a problem. Good to see the club are willing to do whatever it takes! After The High Press is this our new tactic ... The Stretch?
Bad Wolf Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 we tried 3 centre backs there last season but gave up on that after half an hour as it wasn't working, not that we improved that much after that Pretty sure we beat Everton 3-0 and drew with Chelsea while playing 3 CBs.
Benny F Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Do West Brom play lambert and rondon together? In any case, play van Djik who will be looking to seriously impress. I have feeling he is going to eat Rondon or lambert or whoever is put in front of him at the weekend. Stek Soares Fonte Van D Targett Vic Romeu Davis Mane Pelle Tadic. Can you fit Mane, Tadic, Pelle and J Rod in one team?
eddie Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Do West Brom play lambert and rondon together? In any case, play van Djik who will be looking to seriously impress. I have feeling he is going to eat Rondon or lambert or whoever is put in front of him at the weekend. Stek Soares Fonte Van D Targett Vic Romeu Davis Mane Pelle Tadic. Can you fit Mane, Tadic, Pelle and J Rod in one team? rondon is awaywith a venezuela game or something like that. Was with int'l team. he'll come back this evening I believe....so all signs are that he won't play. Looks like lambert and a sulky berahino leading the line.
Shance Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 There's no way Berahino will play this game. Lambert will start with Rondon on the bench who will probably come on in the 70/80th minute after Rickie fails to do anything of note. imo
angelman Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I would like to see more of JWP alongside Romeu, but guess now that Vic is back, this might not happen. No doubt one of VW and OR will get a ban for totting up the yellows.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 No doubt one of VW and OR will get a ban for totting up the yellows. They are both prolific at that
The9 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 So do players have to carry the baggage of forumites disapproval every time they play? Or can they be allowed to start the next game without? I'm fairly sure their field is barren.
the saint in winchester Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 There's no way Berahino will play this game. Lambert will start with Rondon on the bench who will probably come on in the 70/80th minute after Rickie fails to do anything of note. imo There's every chance. He is fit and ready to play, assessed as in the right frame of mind. Probably keen to put the last few weeks behind him and get back in the groove. If Rickie comes on as sub, standing ovation time. But he may start if Rondon is on the bench.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Perhaps a reason to play 3 centre backs? Or maybe 2 centre backs with Maya in one of the full back positions?
BILLY Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Or maybe 2 centre backs with Maya in one of the full back positions? No thanks - Yoshida is a liability and shouldn't be anywhere near the 1st team except for a major injury crisis.
Shance Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 There's every chance. He is fit and ready to play, assessed as in the right frame of mind. Probably keen to put the last few weeks behind him and get back in the groove. If Rickie comes on as sub, standing ovation time. But he may start if Rondon is on the bench. I did say IMO.
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 No thanks - Yoshida is a liability and shouldn't be anywhere near the 1st team except for a major injury crisis. Started almost half of our league games last year and didn't seem to affect us too badly. I'd argue Fonte makes almost as many mistakes but doesn't seem to get called out for it as much (letting his defender get the wrong side of him has been a constant occurence so far this season and should have been called for several penalties last season but wasn't which was lucky for us).
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I'd add that I would have both Fonte and VVD ahead of him in the pecking order so no Maya wouldn't be a starter but calling him a liability is an exaggeration as he has performed admirably over the past couple of seasons even when asked to be played out of position.
Sour Mash Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 rondon is awaywith a venezuela game or something like that. Was with int'l team. he'll come back this evening I believe....so all signs are that he won't play. Looks like lambert and a sulky berahino leading the line. Is that right? Why wouldn't he be back in training by now and available for tomorrow?
Lazlo78 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 After The High Press is this our new tactic ... The Stretch? This physical stretching is aligned with the long stretch of imagination it takes to see us in the CL
Andy Durman Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 No thanks - Yoshida is a liability and shouldn't be anywhere near the 1st team except for a major injury crisis. Statements like this are just attention seeking and built on sand
eddie Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Is that right? Why wouldn't he be back in training by now and available for tomorrow? well granted I don't know the teamsheet. But he was in s america flying back, arrived back yesterday afternoon (sorry thought it was today he returned) from long plane journey. Played last friday and also on tuesday this week. So I doubt it. He needs at least 1 day to recover....and then that takes us to match day!
Chris27687 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I've got an extremely good feeling about this game and the rest to follow in the next month or so. it's time someone shattered the ****ing glass ceiling and since spurs have epically failed for so long this is our time to take on that mantle - but succeed.
The9 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Started almost half of our league games last year and didn't seem to affect us too badly. I'd argue Fonte makes almost as many mistakes but doesn't seem to get called out for it as much (letting his defender get the wrong side of him has been a constant occurence so far this season and should have been called for several penalties last season but wasn't which was lucky for us). Yoshida was on the pitch for the same number of goals scored as conceded last season. Our goal difference over the whole season was +21. Please do not attempt to tell me his presence "didn't seem to affect us too badly".
The9 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I think all positive noises from Koeman around Wanyama, plus Mane's late return and Yoshida's long haul, means we'll go with this: -------Stekelenburg------------ Cedric Fonte Van Dijk Targett -----Wanyama Romeu--------- Rodriguez --Davis-----Tadic-- ------------Pelle---------------- Subs: GK, Martina, Caulker, Yoshida, Ward-Prowse, Long, Mane That rotates a fair few of our longer-haul players who played international matches. Assumptions are: Wanyama plays if fit; Van Dijk starts; We play not to concede away from home - but 4-2-3-1 provides that with 2 DMs so we don't need the back 5; We need an attacking front 4 but we are still away and Davis is the most defensive AM we have; Mane may be tired - so Rodriguez gives that attacking presence; Yoshida may be tired so Targett continues (though personally I'd play Yoshida at LB if he's ok). Bit harsh on JWP especially as he scored for U21s midweek and must be flying. Might even start Long at his old club instead of Rodriguez but we don't start with Long often.
The9 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I've got an extremely good feeling about this game and the rest to follow in the next month or so. it's time someone shattered the ****ing glass ceiling and since spurs have epically failed for so long this is our time to take on that mantle - but succeed. Wow, positivity. FWIW I think we'll finish in the mass of mid-table outside the top 6 including Swansea, Stoke, Palace, Leicester, Everton and maybe Newcastle and Villa. Losing Schneiderlin will cost us upwards of 10 points this season and it'll take time for the replacements to hit the same levels, though injury-free we're much nearer 5th than 18th.
shurlock Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 (edited) Yoshida was on the pitch for the same number of goals scored as conceded last season. Our goal difference over the whole season was +21. Please do not attempt to tell me his presence "didn't seem to affect us too badly". Which coincided with various things, such as Morgan's injury etc etc etc. #ToddlersWithMachetes Edited 11 September, 2015 by shurlock
doddisalegend Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Yoshida was on the pitch for the same number of goals scored as conceded last season. Our goal difference over the whole season was +21. Please do not attempt to tell me his presence "didn't seem to affect us too badly". Was he responsible for all the goals scored and conceded then? if not I can't see what bearing that stat has on anything.
eddie Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I think all positive noises from Koeman around Wanyama, plus Mane's late return and Yoshida's long haul, means we'll go with this: -------Stekelenburg------------ Cedric Fonte Van Dijk Targett -----Wanyama Romeu--------- Rodriguez --Davis-----Tadic-- ------------Pelle---------------- Subs: GK, Martina, Caulker, Yoshida, Ward-Prowse, Long, Mane That rotates a fair few of our longer-haul players who played international matches. Assumptions are: Wanyama plays if fit; Van Dijk starts; We play not to concede away from home - but 4-2-3-1 provides that with 2 DMs so we don't need the back 5; We need an attacking front 4 but we are still away and Davis is the most defensive AM we have; Mane may be tired - so Rodriguez gives that attacking presence; Yoshida may be tired so Targett continues (though personally I'd play Yoshida at LB if he's ok). Bit harsh on JWP especially as he scored for U21s midweek and must be flying. Might even start Long at his old club instead of Rodriguez but we don't start with Long often. hm. I think that's far too defensive for playing against a tony pulis side. I say romeu, alongside either JWP or Davis. But then replace your Davis with Juanmi (not sure why you didn't include him - is he away...?) and you're set. I would even consider giving Long a start. With the absence of Mane we desperately need both pace and creativity. Between Juanmi and Long we should be able to provide that. But I'd stick with Pelle as you suggest for sake of impact: I think Long can have a real impact coming on as a 60/70 minute sub. So mine is: -------Stekelenburg------------ Cedric Fonte Van Dijk Targett -------------Romeu------------- -------JWP/Davis----Juanmi Rodriguez-----Pelle-------Tadic I know it looks light in midfield. But JWP/Davis are playing further back than I've shown.
trousers Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I'm not convinced Koeman will give Jaunmi a start given he's struggled to get game time off the bench so far let alone a starting berth. (Don't get me wrong, i'm in the "give Jaunmi a punt" club bit not sure why Koeman doesn't seem to favour him thus far )
Chris27687 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Wow, positivity. FWIW I think we'll finish in the mass of mid-table outside the top 6 including Swansea, Stoke, Palace, Leicester, Everton and maybe Newcastle and Villa. Losing Schneiderlin will cost us upwards of 10 points this season and it'll take time for the replacements to hit the same levels, though injury-free we're much nearer 5th than 18th. always aim for rampant optimism and be disappointed rather than live your life as a miserable bastard who is occasionally surprised. mentioning no names!
hasper57saint Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I see the Ref for tomorrow is Stuart Atwell.He of the 'demotion' following appalling decisions.He's now back on the PL list.Lets hope he spots the Baggies time wasting early.Last seasons match became a farce.
eddie Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I'm not convinced Koeman will give Jaunmi a start given he's struggled to get game time off the bench so far let alone a starting berth. (Don't get me wrong, i'm in the "give Jaunmi a punt" club bit not sure why Koeman doesn't seem to favour him thus far ) yeah I completely agree. Maybe he just isn't all he's cracked up to be. very strange though as I got the impression maybe wrongly that koeman was the one that wanted him.
sotonnick Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Preview now up on my blog: http://theitchenperspective.blogspot.co.uk/
Lets B Avenue Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I see the Ref for tomorrow is Stuart Atwell.He of the 'demotion' following appalling decisions.He's now back on the PL list.Lets hope he spots the Baggies time wasting early.Last seasons match became a farce. He was dropped from the prem list after officiating on New Years day 2012 and has not had a game since, apart from a single game last November. Leicester v West Ham.
Matthew Le God Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 I'm not convinced Koeman will give Jaunmi a start given he's struggled to get game time off the bench so far let alone a starting berth. (Don't get me wrong, i'm in the "give Jaunmi a punt" club bit not sure why Koeman doesn't seem to favour him thus far ) yeah I completely agree. Maybe he just isn't all he's cracked up to be. very strange though as I got the impression maybe wrongly that koeman was the one that wanted him. Just because a 22 year old recent signing hasn't played much in the opening 4 league games of a season doesn't mean you should jump to the conclusion that Koeman doesn't think he is a good player. He is behind Mane, Tadic, Rodriguez and Long in the pecking order and has time on his side to make an impression.
eelpie Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 Preview now up on my blog: http://theitchenperspective.blogspot.co.uk/ Insightful, informative and an interesting read. Thank you
Saint86 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 We'll have to agree to disagree. But both of the goals that we conceded that Targett (rightly) gets blamed for were a direct result of him being too far forward (break outs after our corners). Its not that he does not get forward (he does), but he is too slow to get back when the opposition counter-attack. His defending is perfectly acceptable when he is "in position". His crossing is at least on par with Shaw's before he left, but clearly not up to Bertrand's standard. One of those 2 goals he was ill for the game.... and koeman said as much. Poor marking in centre both both goals also.
Leicestersaint Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 All these attacks on Targett are ridiculous and quite unwarranted.
saint97 Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 All these attacks on Targett are ridiculous and quite unwarranted. How are they unwarranted? When has he played well this season?
oldsarum Posted 11 September, 2015 Posted 11 September, 2015 How are they unwarranted? When has he played well this season? Was excellent against Norwich, didn't let Redmond have a sniff all game
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