Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Don't know about others who went to Holland and Denmark but I find Ward-Prowse's latest interview in the Echo a little patronising and hollow. Time he (and others) did their talking on the pitch..... in my opinion. http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/13632746.Ward_Prowse_confident_Southampton_can_return_to_Europe/?ref=rss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Still gutted about Thursday and all we get is the dopey milkybar kid telling us we can do it all again this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I'm not sure what else he could say really......"we are relegation contenders now, our season is over, the managers heart is not really in it anymore and half the team want to leave because they want to be multi millionaires within 2 years".....believe me i'm as ****ed off as most at the terrible start we have had and my confidence as a fan is rock bottom.....but believe me i expect our highly paid team of muppets to at least talk the talk and give us fans some belief that things will change....I live in hope, which is a bit more than i did Thursday evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He needs to stop talking and show he can actually play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 If he's asked for an interview and refuses, he will be in trouble for that. I want players to speak up and positively, to show belief when the fans are weakening. its hard to believe some peole on this site are supporters at all, just running down playersw and staff is no help to anyone. Besides its not the players who are staying who should get the stick, its the Board who have sold the starts who have to answer questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He is being left behind. Best performances still come in age group football for Eng U21s. Physical constraints really hamper him compared to say Shelvey or Barkley who are miles ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure what else he could say really......"we are relegation contenders now, our season is over, the managers heart is not really in it anymore and half the team want to leave because they want to be multi millionaires within 2 years".....believe me i'm as ****ed off as most at the terrible start we have had and my confidence as a fan is rock bottom.....but believe me i expect our highly paid team of muppets to at least talk the talk and give us fans some belief that things will change....I live in hope, which is a bit more than i did Thursday evening! Plenty of possible clichés to reel off: Yes, they're disappointed but there's a lot of football to be played, that they're working hard everyday and are aware what needs to be done, that they're looking forward to welcoming players back etc. NOT that he thinks they were the dominant side on Thursday and unlucky to go out and get ahead of himself by saying that they can qualify for Europe all over again, when the side is searching for a first league win, never mind a decent performance. Edited 30 August, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2015 If he's asked for an interview and refuses, he will be in trouble for that. I want players to speak up and positively, to show belief when the fans are weakening. its hard to believe some peole on this site are supporters at all, just running down playersw and staff is no help to anyone. Besides its not the players who are staying who should get the stick, its the Board who have sold the starts who have to answer questions Don't think you are obliged to be interviewed at all but Ward-Prowse is at it all the time and perhaps he needs to put in some decent on field performances before opening his mouth, especially when his words are so hollow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 But he got good A Level results so is destined to go to the top of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 (edited) He is being left behind. Best performances still come in age group football for Eng U21s. Physical constraints really hamper him compared to say Shelvey or Barkley who are miles ahead. Shelvey is almost three years older than him, i.e. unfair comparison. Barkley is simply a better player, and there's no shame in that. Reference interview participation, he's probably asked to do them/content is pulled from club interviews. I'm sure he'd rather spend his time doing anything else. Edited 30 August, 2015 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Don't think you are obliged to be interviewed at all but Ward-Prowse is at it all the time and perhaps he needs to put in some decent on field performances before opening his mouth, especially when his words are so hollow. Wrong they are contractually obliged to be available for the media when the club asks them to be. I doubt after Thursday's shambles he would have been falling over himself to speak to the press - I am not sure exactly what else he could say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 It's not JWP's fault he's in our team. Someone has to pick him.... How about we all just rate him when he's 23/24 as that would be fair. He doesn't have to be amazing straight away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Oh look! Another slagging off a 20 year old prem CM England u21 captain thread. It's not JWP's fault he's in our team. Someone has to pick him.... How about we all just rate him when he's 23/24 as that would be fair. He doesn't have to be amazing straight away? All very true, but we need someone better right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He is a dud player; and will be when he's 23, 24 and 30. I'm not holding my breath thinking a "big" team are going to swoop for him one of these transfer windows. On the other hand he speaks well, is photogenic and is a good advertisement for the Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He is only good enough, barely to be a reserve. About time he realised that his performances need to do his talking not pathetic sound bites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He needs to stop talking and show he can actually play football. Couldn't agree more. Next time someone shoves a microphone up his nose he should push it away and show off his skills with a half hour demonstration of keepy uppy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Oh look! Another slagging off a 20 year old prem CM England u21 captain thread. It's not JWP's fault he's in our team. Someone has to pick him.... How about we all just rate him when he's 23/24 as that would be fair. He doesn't have to be amazing straight away? you say in your quote its not his fault hes in our team,someone has to pick him,WHY.....really hes in the squad not a first team pick imo, christ all you hear the commentators say is hes got a great dead ball delivery...again really? how many assists did he contribute with from this astonishing ability to kick a ball (afterall thats what he gets very well paid for) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Looks miles better today tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He is only good enough, barely to be a reserve. About time he realised that his performances need to do his talking not pathetic sound bites. Almost as if he was reading the criticism. A much improved display, good tempo, with some quick passes, hard work and god forbid some forward passes, A decent display from the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 One of his biggest critics but he had a good game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He is an intelligent and articulate young man and that is why he fronts the TV interviews more than most. Possibly the reason why Clyne and Puncheon were not put out too many times when they were here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He is only good enough, barely to be a reserve. About time he realised that his performances need to do his talking not pathetic sound bites. I just can't understand how so-called fans can slag off a good young player like this ... And he IS a good young player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Certainly a better player when deeper. Not sure on his stats today, but he was all over the pitch and seemed to be pretty tidy with his passing. Great free kick too that first one, shame Ruddy got to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I just can't understand how so-called fans can slag off a good young player like this ... And he IS a good young player. Its what they do! TBH - If Koemen is picking him then its because he thinks that he can do whatever role he is asking him to fulfil better than anyone else available. However, I am pleased to see him play with much more aggression today. That is what was missing from his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I just can't understand how so-called fans can slag off a good young player like this ... And he IS a good young player. Don't forget it was Derry (I'm a coach don't you know) who said MS was sh_ite when we were in L1 and would never make the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Don't forget it was Derry (I'm a coach don't you know) who said MS was sh_ite when we were in L1 and would never make the grade. Yeah, but, Morgan or Wotton???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Almost as if he was reading the criticism. A much improved display, good tempo, with some quick passes, hard work and god forbid some forward passes, A decent display from the lad. Look at this pathetic back tracking. Its looks like all the forum idiots were caught out today, the Dell Days slags off Pelle and he gets us going and the bitter old fools Fitzhugh Fella and Derry slags JWP off and he turns in his best display. We need one of them to start a Jay Rod is **** thread now and everything will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Time he (and others) did their talking on the pitch..... in my opinion. Good to see his evil twin turned up today. I think he did his talking on the pitch, good performance. I found myself pinching myself how many times I applauded what he was doing during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Too many sound bites come out after defeats, too much media training and not enough actual training! I detest some of the patronising comments! Also start telling the truth to us ie Victor stomach upset???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Too many sound bites come out after defeats, too much media training and not enough actual training! I detest some of the patronising comments! Also start telling the truth to us ie Victor stomach upset???????? Don't listen to/read the interviews? I mean, they're not broadcast directly into your brain, *you're* finding them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 Thought Ward-Prowse had a decent game yesterday, did well to win the ball and release mane for our first goal. And would have scored that free-kick right at the start if wasn't for a quality save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 Must admit I'm often underwhelmed by JWP's contribution on the pitch, but he was excellent yesterday. Fair to say there won't be many teams in this league who afford him that much time and space, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 that free kick at the start was a very good effort. great save to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 It really pi**es me off to hear the constant criticism of Targett and JWP by our so called fans. Two young lads who have been with the club since they were eight years old making their way in the game. They may or may not make the grade, that is not the point, but if we heap pressure on them by constantly moaning when the make a mistake they will start to play with fear, and that will be the end of them. At the ages they are they should be allowed to make mistakes, that is how they learn. It is the club philosophy to bring our own through and by that the club accepts the mistakes they will make. If we make it a fearful place for them to come into the team we will never bring anyone through. Even yesterday when both had good games you could still hear people groaning rather than supporting them. It was also noticeable that two players who appeared most gutted by our exit on Thursday was Targett and Prowsey. They care, give them a break and support them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 that free kick at the start was a very good effort. great save to be fair It was, but I think keepers get a bit of a head start with his free kicks these days - I'm struggling to think of an occasion where he's not attempted to put the ball over the wall (to the left corner when the ball is left-of-centre, and the right corner when the ball is to the right), so the keeper can effectively "cheat" the set piece by taking a starting step or two behind the wall in anticipation. I'd like to see him go with a bit more power to the other side every now and then - he'll probably look a bit silly if it just drops straight into the keeper's hands, but it at least maintains a bit of mystery as to where he's trying to put the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 It was, but I think keepers get a bit of a head start with his free kicks these days - I'm struggling to think of an occasion where he's not attempted to put the ball over the wall (to the left corner when the ball is left-of-centre, and the right corner when the ball is to the right), so the keeper can effectively "cheat" the set piece by taking a starting step or two behind the wall in anticipation. I'd like to see him go with a bit more power to the other side every now and then - he'll probably look a bit silly if it just drops straight into the keeper's hands, but it at least maintains a bit of mystery as to where he's trying to put the ball. The reaction of Fonte after his free kick in the second half suggests he thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 He didn't get the credit he deserves for his part in our first goal. The way he won the all and turned was brilliant. Had it been one of the fans favourites there would be threads about it. Perhaps at long last he has seen a chance to cement a place in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 He didn't get the credit he deserves for his part in our first goal. The way he won the all and turned was brilliant. Had it been one of the fans favourites there would be threads about it. Perhaps at long last he has seen a chance to cement a place in the team He did very well there. But if he messed that pass up he would of been slated. It was an easy pass. Mane takes the credit for that goal. Went exactly where it needed to go. JWP played well but so did everyone in my opinion. When it was 11 vs 11 it was not as great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 31 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 31 August, 2015 It really pi**es me off to hear the constant criticism of Targett and JWP by our so called fans. Two young lads who have been with the club since they were eight years old making their way in the game. They may or may not make the grade, that is not the point, but if we heap pressure on them by constantly moaning when the make a mistake they will start to play with fear, and that will be the end of them. At the ages they are they should be allowed to make mistakes, that is how they learn. It is the club philosophy to bring our own through and by that the club accepts the mistakes they will make. If we make it a fearful place for them to come into the team we will never bring anyone through. Even yesterday when both had good games you could still hear people groaning rather than supporting them. It was also noticeable that two players who appeared most gutted by our exit on Thursday was Targett and Prowsey. They care, give them a break and support them. I agree with you, I think Targett's criticism to be unfair especially as he is not recognised as our number one choice and I rate him despite his slightly rocky last few games. As for J WP I agree his effort is beyond reproach but if he is going to be interviewed I just wish he kept the platitudes to a minimum. Saying we could qualify for Europe this season 24 hours after the shambles in Denmark just fans flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 I'm not sure what else he could say really......"we are relegation contenders now, our season is over, the managers heart is not really in it anymore and half the team want to leave because they want to be multi millionaires within 2 years".....believe me i'm as ****ed off as most at the terrible start we have had and my confidence as a fan is rock bottom.....but believe me i expect our highly paid team of muppets to at least talk the talk and give us fans some belief that things will change....I live in hope, which is a bit more than i did Thursday evening! THAT would be a very very true assessment of most Pro Footballers IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 August, 2015 Share Posted 31 August, 2015 I just can't understand how so-called fans can slag off a good young player like this ... And he IS a good young player. ......with the emphasis on.... YOUNG ! An interesting comment from Roy Hodgson was replying to a question about selecting youngsters who are playing well (Sterling and Kane at that time) ..he said that (in his experience).....they might often play very well for 4-5 games, but in the long term they lacked consistancy. He is right. Our most experienced players in recent years; Lambert, Steve Davis and Fonte as examples - always put in a shift - and rarely disappointed. But they're not 20....and have a lot of games under their belt. A look at the great names of yesteryear shows that even Shearer and MLT took time to come good. I've watched many Prem. games on the Net, and often felt that Sterling blew hot and cold - brilliant in one game and almost invisible in the next. In the light of that .....I'm not surprised at the non-showing of Harry Kane since the start of the season. Great last year ... but what of the future this season ? Neither JWP or Targett has had a real run of games - obviously they are up against better talents in the squad - but you must take your chance when it comes. Had Nathaniel Clyne not been injured pre-season 2013-14, Chambers might still be in the U21 set-up....likewise Targett may have problems when Bertrand is fit again. They've both had first team game time, and I'd be less worried to see their names on the team sheet in future knowing that they know which way we're kicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 It really pi**es me off to hear the constant criticism of Targett and JWP by our so called fans. Two young lads who have been with the club since they were eight years old making their way in the game. They may or may not make the grade, that is not the point, but if we heap pressure on them by constantly moaning when the make a mistake they will start to play with fear, and that will be the end of them. At the ages they are they should be allowed to make mistakes, that is how they learn. It is the club philosophy to bring our own through and by that the club accepts the mistakes they will make. If we make it a fearful place for them to come into the team we will never bring anyone through. Even yesterday when both had good games you could still hear people groaning rather than supporting them. It was also noticeable that two players who appeared most gutted by our exit on Thursday was Targett and Prowsey. They care, give them a break and support them. Good post! JWP is nearly exactly 5 years younger than Morgan Schneiderlin, at his age Morgan Schneiderlin was embarking on his second year in the 3rd tier of english football. How would he of fared if he was in the top division at the same age? Impossible to know for sure but I would bet he would nowhere near the level he was the last 3 years for us. JWP being weak in the tackle as so many have put it reminds me of when Morgan first came here and Pardew told him he had to toughen up, hopefully he will improve this area in his game along with other weak areas. Some posters consistently slagging him off before saturday seem to forget that 20 years old for a CM (the most demanding postion) in the premier is extremely young, you'd be hard pressed to find a younger player in a premier league team in his position this season. The attitude towards him by some of the posters on here is incredible you'd think he was a skate! Oh yeah he was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 And just announced as new England U-21 captain! Well done JWP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Awful player, offers nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Awful player, offers nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 This lad sill be a decent premier player. Nothing more or less. That's not a criticism and is actually pretty god damn good achievement. Good luck to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 And just announced as new England U-21 captain! Well done JWP! Makes the fact he was dropped at the euros after just 60 minutes of football even more strange ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeham_69 Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Hmm. Good youth team player, good A levels, fairly unglamorous as a player, has to work harder than others... surely that's got future manager written all over it? In 30 years we'll see a return investment, I'm sure. I want to see him do well but I definitely do not want to see passengers, especially with the points we've dropped so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StMarv Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Played in the deeper role against Norwich. Difficult to totally asses his performance due to the oppo and the RC. But had his best game in a saints shirt for some time. He played far more positive (forward) balls. Receiving the ball deep from the back 4 and/or Romeu increased his time on the ball, giving him time to hit more incisive passes. Perhaps this is his prefered position? Can he be the next spider? Undoubtedly a better player than spider was at a comparable age. He’s certainly tidy on the ball and capable of linking defence and attack and can cover the ground. So far he’s just never developed into an effective advanced midfielder, so we all doubt him somewhat. Certainly worth another look at him in that position I think. But long term he needs to hit the steroids and the gym….. And sort out his haircut. For an acceptable DCM style he need not look further than Romeu and classie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 12 September, 2015 Share Posted 12 September, 2015 Without a doubt his worst performance today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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