Injury Watch

[derry]

I didn't see KWP either in the training video or yesterday's gallery.

[davefizzy14]

Great to see Larios back in the training gallery today 🙂

[hypochondriac]

Why all the lack of info surrounding Ross Stewart? Last update I saw was months ago. 

[Dark Munster]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Why all the lack of info surrounding Ross Stewart? Last update I saw was months ago. 

Good news, he's out of the wheelchair.

[S-Clarke]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Why all the lack of info surrounding Ross Stewart? Last update I saw was months ago. 

Not sure what else we need to know. The last update was that he's out for the season, so there's nothing more to really update on tbh.

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure what else we need to know. The last update was that he's out for the season, so there's nothing more to really update on tbh.

Last update was "probably" won't see him again this season, but suggested he might be ready for last 3 or 4 weeks, but that we probably wouldn't risk him unless it is desparate, rather give him a full pre-season. So we're not too far off last 3 or 4 weeks so would be of some interest to know if he is progressing.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure what else we need to know. The last update was that he's out for the season, so there's nothing more to really update on tbh.

They didn't say that. They also haven't explained what injury he has which has kept him out for so long. 

[Dusic]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

They didn't say that. They also haven't explained what injury he has which has kept him out for so long. 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24007379.southamptons-ross-stewart-sidelined-end-season/

Widely reported as a hamstring injury.

Russell Martin also commented on him pretty recently:

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24051555.southamptons-martin-reveals-stewart-coping-latest-injury/

 

 

[hypochondriac]

10 hours ago, Dusic said:

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24007379.southamptons-ross-stewart-sidelined-end-season/

Widely reported as a hamstring injury.

Russell Martin also commented on him pretty recently:

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24051555.southamptons-martin-reveals-stewart-coping-latest-injury/

 

 

Assuming he has a muscle tear, how many hamstring injuries take 4 months plus to heal? 

[badgerx16]

38 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Assuming he has a muscle tear, how many hamstring injuries take 4 months plus to heal? 

Some bad tears can take up to a year.

[VectisSaint]

11 hours ago, Dusic said:

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24007379.southamptons-ross-stewart-sidelined-end-season/

Widely reported as a hamstring injury.

Russell Martin also commented on him pretty recently:

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24051555.southamptons-martin-reveals-stewart-coping-latest-injury/

 

 

That report was 2 months ago, in it Martin says he will be off his crutches pretty soon, I would think 'pretty soon' would be less than 2 months, so unless there has been a setback (possible) he probably should be back in light training pretty soon if not already.

[trousers]

 

 

[david in sweden]

The Bazunu (and now) Armstrong injuries are just about the worse news we could expect, and it's not certain that Downes is fully fit yet either.

We can't point to the bench and think we have " suitable replacements " for all our best players, but I'm wondering if the grueling training programme 

that players seem to go through can be a major  cause.  Of course we need players who can run for 90+ minutes ( ala Prowsey) but clearly the stress 

on bodies - especially of younger players - seems to be a major factor that causes serious injury. 

 

Looking back over the last two seasons the injury tally points to the fact that we cannot / should not rely on young talents to get us through a season.

Broja ...... had a first good half season, but soon the tackles took their tally and after New Year he was only a passenger up front.  (Later ACL when back at Chelsea).

ABK, Lavia and Livramento all succumbed to injuries that made them ineffective - even when they did play, and Larios has hardly played any minutes in two seasons.'

 

Of course everyone can pick up injuries, and we are still awaiting the arrival of Ross Stewart as a meaningful squad member, but the truth of the matter is that

not everyone has a constitution capable of playing " full time " football, and this hampers teams where the managers can only expects 60 minutes of effective play.

It needs tough bodies to withstand a season of top class games and talented kids moving up from U18 / U23 level will understandably struggle at the higher level. 

Those clubs amongst the 80-odd in the League who don't have billionaire owners have an ongoing problem every year in finding players fit enough to DAJF them ,

let alone succeed at whatever level they are playing. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, david in sweden said:

The Bazunu (and now) Armstrong injuries are just about the worse news we could expect, and it's not certain that Downes is fully fit yet either.

We can't point to the bench and think we have " suitable replacements " for all our best players, but I'm wondering if the grueling training programme 

that players seem to go through can be a major  cause.  Of course we need players who can run for 90+ minutes ( ala Prowsey) but clearly the stress 

on bodies - especially of younger players - seems to be a major factor that causes serious injury. 

 

Looking back over the last two seasons the injury tally points to the fact that we cannot / should not rely on young talents to get us through a season.

Broja ...... had a first good half season, but soon the tackles took their tally and after New Year he was only a passenger up front.  (Later ACL when back at Chelsea).

ABK, Lavia and Livramento all succumbed to injuries that made them ineffective - even when they did play, and Larios has hardly played any minutes in two seasons.'

 

Of course everyone can pick up injuries, and we are still awaiting the arrival of Ross Stewart as a meaningful squad member, but the truth of the matter is that

not everyone has a constitution capable of playing " full time " football, and this hampers teams where the managers can only expects 60 minutes of effective play.

It needs tough bodies to withstand a season of top class games and talented kids moving up from U18 / U23 level will understandably struggle at the higher level. 

Those clubs amongst the 80-odd in the League who don't have billionaire owners have an ongoing problem every year in finding players fit enough to DAJF them ,

let alone succeed at whatever level they are playing. 

This is a problem with the 'we breed success' philosophy.  Especially in the Championship with all the extra games.

[benjii]

Makes you realise what a machine JWP is. 

[disconnect]

Any idea how Larios and Ballard are getting on?

[trousers]

23 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Any idea how Larios and Ballard are getting on?

Have the club ever divulged what Larios' injury is? Hasn't he now been out longer than players typically are with career threatening injuries such as ACLs, leg breaks, etc?

What injury does he have and why is it taking so long to recover from...?

 

[S-Clarke]

31 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Any idea how Larios and Ballard are getting on?

Larios is back in full training as far as I know, I notice him on the training galleries from time to time. Martin said they won't rush him back this season, but he'll come back in pre-season and be able to start on a level footing with the rest of the squad.

Not sure we'll see Ballard this side of the summer, probably one for the autumn? it was a pretty bad ACL.

[S-Clarke]

12 minutes ago, trousers said:

Have the club ever divulged what Larios' injury is? Hasn't he now been out longer than players typically are with career threatening injuries such as ACLs, leg breaks, etc?

What injury does he have and why is it taking so long to recover from...?

 

I think he had an ankle injury and then on his comeback from that, tore his hamstring? (or the other way round). I think he's had two bad injuries back to back which has prolonged his recovery.

Hopefully he's not injury prone, but his build is so slight that it looks like he could be snapped in half by a burly Champ CM!

Edited 8 May, 2024 by S-Clarke

[malcolm waldron]

 

Imagine a line up next season that includes Adam Armstrong, Larios, and Ryan Fraser.  Set piece carnage alert.

[Wade Garrett]

16 hours ago, malcolm waldron said:

 

Imagine a line up next season that includes Adam Armstrong, Larios, and Ryan Fraser.  Set piece carnage alert.

Hi ho hi ho it’s off to work we go.

[Patches O Houlihan]

Was that Juan Larios I spotted in the final seconds of the Inside Staplewood: Wembley Week video on the club website?

[suewhistle]

Well, he's certainly in one of the photos. He may be short but looks very solid.

[VectisSaint]

Think Larios has been back in training for a while, but RM said specifically he would not feature until pre-season. Then again that was before the play-offs. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Looking forward to seeing him after such a tough time.

[doc oli]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cye013xdr26o

 

could have sworn it was his hamstring that was injured…

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Will be like a new signing. 

[ecuk268]

Missing persons  report:

 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24496411.russell-martin-gives-latest-adam-lallana-ross-stewart-fitness/

 

Edited 5 August, 2024 by ecuk268

[64saint]

Edited 27 August, 2024 by 64saint

[64saint]

9 minutes ago, 64saint said:

Not long now, just a couple of weeks away for Stewart and Lallana.  Should see them in first couple of weeks in September then according to RM , today 27 th August ( just in case anyone is still reading this in Dec thought I'd best put a date to it as it's sort of timeless   🙄)

Edited 27 August, 2024 by 64saint

[Dark Munster]

13 minutes ago, 64saint said:

Not long now, just a couple of weeks away for Stewart and Lallana.  Should see them in first couple of weeks in September then according to RM , today 27 th August ( just in case anyone is still reading this in Dec thought I'd best put a date to it as it's sort of timeless   🙄)

You forgot to put the year. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

22 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

You forgot to put the year. 

Four digits please, so we can be sure of century and millennium. 🙂

[Behind Enemy Lines]

‘Close to a having a full clean bill of health’. 
 

Does that mean Bazunu is close?! 😂 

Two weeks away? 

[Saint Fan CaM]

On 27/08/2024 at 18:02, Behind Enemy Lines said:

‘Close to a having a full clean bill of health’. 
 

Does that mean Bazunu is close?! 😂 

Two weeks away? 

Think Bazunu is a long way from recovery let alone making any kind of professional appearance at EPL level as a keeper.  He couldn’t jump for toffee when he was fully fit and he’ll need a huge a mount of conditioning work to get him back to anywhere near full fitness. With Rambo now in as no.1, reckon we’ll see Baz do some time at Goztepe perhaps, because I can’t see us recouping his fee anytime soon.

[tdmickey3]

When Bazunu comes back he need to be playing in the championship, apparently he was the best keeper in the division 🙄 (well! that`s what somebody said) 

We will most likely be there anyway so he won`t need a loan 😬

[Behind Enemy Lines]

5 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Think Bazunu is a long way from recovery let alone making any kind of professional appearance at EPL level as a keeper.  He couldn’t jump for toffee when he was fully fit and he’ll need a huge a mount of conditioning work to get him back to anywhere near full fitness. With Rambo now in as no.1, reckon we’ll see Baz do some time at Goztepe perhaps, because I can’t see us recouping his fee anytime soon.

[spyinthesky]

Any updates from those 'In The Know' about our crocked players, in alphabetical order (and dont say back in 2 weeks!!)

BAZANU
BEDNERAK
BELLA KOTCHA (Is he still actually training with us?)
LARIOS
LALLANA
SMALLBONE
STEWART
TALL PAUL

 

[VectisSaint]

3 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Any updates from those 'In The Know' about our crocked players, in alphabetical order (and dont say back in 2 weeks!!)

BAZANU
BEDNERAK
BELLA KOTCHA (Is he still actually training with us?)
LARIOS
LALLANA
SMALLBONE
STEWART
TALL PAUL

 

Of all those mentioned above I'd most like to know about RAMSDALE.

I did see Larios in training pics the other day, so that's encouraging 😉

[SaintTex]

4 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Any updates from those 'In The Know' about our crocked players, in alphabetical order (and dont say back in 2 weeks!!)

BAZANU
BEDNERAK
BELLA KOTCHA (Is he still actually training with us?)
LARIOS
LALLANA
SMALLBONE
STEWART
TALL PAUL

 

fun fact..

Ross Stewart had 51 starts in all competitions in the 2021-22 season

Since then? 12 starts (1 of those being with the Saints)

 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, SaintTex said:

fun fact..

Ross Stewart had 51 starts in all competitions in the 2021-22 season

Since then? 12 starts (1 of those being with the Saints)

 

It was a strong vape variety when Rasmus pushed for the signing of Ross Stewart.

[S-Clarke]

22 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Any updates from those 'In The Know' about our crocked players, in alphabetical order (and dont say back in 2 weeks!!)

BAZANU
BEDNERAK
BELLA KOTCHA (Is he still actually training with us?)
LARIOS
LALLANA
SMALLBONE
STEWART
TALL PAUL

 

ABK isn't injured, just not being picked. Bazunu will probably go out on loan in late January, prepping for him re-establishing as our Number 1 next season (the most inevitable thing ever)

Bednarek, Onuachu and Ramsdale not far away. I've given up considering Stewart and Larios as Southampton players.

[Gloucester Saint]

On 07/12/2024 at 11:51, S-Clarke said:

Bazunu will probably go out on loan in late January, prepping for him re-establishing as our Number 1 next season (the most inevitable thing ever)

Probably will happen but we will struggle to finish top half next season with that absolute 🤡 in goal. 

[Galway saint]

On 07/12/2024 at 11:51, S-Clarke said:

ABK isn't injured, just not being picked. Bazunu will probably go out on loan in late January, prepping for him re-establishing as our Number 1 next season (the most inevitable thing ever)

Bednarek, Onuachu and Ramsdale not far away. I've given up considering Stewart and Larios as Southampton players.

Read an article in an Irish paper last weekend and Bazanu sounds some way off a return so I doubt a loan in January is realistic. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Probably will happen but we will struggle to finish top half next season with that absolute 🤡 in goal. 

Yet we did last season.

[david in sweden]

Aside from the idea that signing good young talents from " someone else's " Academy is a good investment, some may 

fail to see that when you take a "young body" out of a successful Prem. U21 side, (where tackling is almost forbidden) 

they quickly find the rigourous demands of fitness and consistency are beyond the normal requirements of a Prem. starter.

Bazunu and THB can be considered " good deals " but others have fallen by the wayside and lost their value to the club.

 

At the risk of opening old wounds, we can look back to an early name, namely Broja.   A bright entity in Chelsea's youth side, 

he certainly made a difference to our front line and got himself  7 or 8 goals ..(?) at Christmas, by which time opposition defences

had got his number and left their mark on him.  By January, he was struggling with various fitness issues, and was almost AWOL

in some games in the Spring.  After returning to Chelsea, he continued to suffer injuries that kept him out of the reckoning for them.

Even our own talents, like Nathan Tella showed some good form -  in between longer spells of injuries - but the scenario was similar. 

 

Fast forward and " the next batch " brought in the likes of  ABK, and Salisu who didn't fare any better and their form didn't improve 

even after prolonged breaks for injury.  The somewhat-fortunate signing of Lavia (and his goal v. Chelsea) were thankfully enough to 

generate a good deal with Chelsea - for whom the fee of £ 50 million was about par for the course with them at the time. 

 

Vectis Saint has already mentioned Larios (in a post above), but it's clear that incoming talents need time to adapt to formation changes

(like Russball) alongside the challenge of upgrading themselves physically and mentally to the level of the toughest League in the World.

Fernandes and Dibling has shown up well so far, but we must hope that they can last the pace until May before making any judgements.