St Neel Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 Lets Compare: 27/8/15 v FC Midtjylland : Steckenburg - Caulker - Fonte - Yoshida - Romeu - Martina - JWP - Davis - Targett - Pelle - J-Rod to arguably our best team in the 2013/2014 season: Boruc - Clyne - Shaw - Lovren - Fonte - Davis- Schneiderlin - Wanyama - Lambert - J-Rod- Lallana Which is the better side, would you say? Does the "showcase club" strategy look like its improving the team? Looks very much like the poor bedwetters from summer 2013 were, actually... correct? We had a great start to the season last year, but the teams performance has steadily declined since then, as more and more quality has left. Replacements, bar the the odd exception (Alderwiereld on loan, Bertrand, Mane) have not been been good enough. The Club Board have been as self-indulgent and cocky as the ******s on here who dont criticise the club because (supposedly) they are the true, hard core fans.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 Oh so you decide to compare the 'old 2013/14' first 11 with a fully fit squad compared to our current injury depleted first 11. Ah that's fair, really fair. Not forgetting the bench would be incredibly weak after a couple of injuries that season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 Would it not be fairer to compare the fully fit 13/14 team to.. Stekelenburg/Forster; Cédric, Fonte, Van Dijk*, Bertrand; Wanyama, Clasie, Romeu; Mané, Pellè, Tadić. ...? Also, compare the benches. *nailed on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 Give me the 13/14 team anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Neel Posted 27 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 August, 2015 still would say the 13/ 14 team was better, even assuming: Cedric can learn how to defend. Van Dijk signs and is any good Fonte can step up if Van Dijk isnt any good Clasie ever handles the premier league Romeu? really? Tadic discovers his form from 1st 3 months of last season Negative I know but thats a lots of assumptions right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 The fact is over the last 3 years nearly everyone if they had to choose 11 from those 3 years would pick Clyne Morgan and Toby. You can debate all the other spots in that 11 but not those 3. I don't think even the stupidest football fan in all the land would not pick those 3. This is our problem how can we afford to replace these 3 with players as good as them and them to fit in straight away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Wont break into the top 6. Probably won't finish any lower than 11th/12th. Thats pretty much in line with my expectations and i'm constantly surprised that anyone else's expectations were any higher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 still would say the 13/ 14 team was better, even assuming: Cedric can learn how to defend. Van Dijk signs and is any good Fonte can step up if Van Dijk isnt any good Clasie ever handles the premier league Romeu? really? Tadic discovers his form from 1st 3 months of last season Negative I know but that's a lots of assumptions right there Spot on we've been on a downward progression since mid December of last season all be it with one or two surprising results and other fixtures going our way that we were able to push for a Europa league finish.Honestly glad to be out before it really started due to inept team performances thus far.Whats missing for me is someone who can knit the pace of the team together and give us some momentum.Everyone says on here Classie is the man to do this ,and yet hes picked up an injury so were not in a position to judge where or not hes such the player we hope hes going to be,wow he was in Hollands world cup team, so was Whiltshire in Englands team did well there also didn't we...!!there's a point when all the business has concluded and it hasn't yet i would be surprised if we can keep Vic and Sadio who incidentally was slagged off rotten on this forum for not being good enough...! now it seems hes the one most likely to create a chance for us.Anyway i digress our squad is getting weaker by every departure and with just a few days remaining of this window have we got enough about us to fight against a reegation battle because we sure need a win already against Norwich this sunday and i dint have us down for our first win until Sunderland at home thats how uninspiring i see our squad.Hope im wrong time will tell ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 If only Everton, Tottenham and Liverpool had had a crap start to the season in 2013/2014, we would've made it to the Europa and probably the momentum would've pushed us through Dutch, Danes and whoever else This is officially the first year of the "We March On" motto. Last year the know-how and dynamics were still there, now it's up to those who picked up an enviable set-up to show their worth. Prospects are bleak though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Don't get the thread title I'm afraid. Or is it meant to be look I'm a stupid cnt come and punch me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Wont break into the top 6. Probably won't finish any lower than 11th/12th. Thats pretty much in line with my expectations and i'm constantly surprised that anyone else's expectations were any higher... Based on our performances thus far, I'd suck you off for 12th in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Lets Compare: 27/8/15 v FC Midtjylland : Steckenburg - Caulker - Fonte - Yoshida - Romeu - Martina - JWP - Davis - Targett - Pelle - J-Rod to arguably our best team in the 2013/2014 season: Boruc - Clyne - Shaw - Lovren - Fonte - Davis- Schneiderlin - Wanyama - Lambert - J-Rod- Lallana Which is the better side, would you say? Does the "showcase club" strategy look like its improving the team? Looks very much like the poor bedwetters from summer 2013 were, actually... correct? We had a great start to the season last year, but the teams performance has steadily declined since then, as more and more quality has left. Replacements, bar the the odd exception (Alderwiereld on loan, Bertrand, Mane) have not been been good enough. The Club Board have been as self-indulgent and cocky as the ******s on here who dont criticise the club because (supposedly) they are the true, hard core fans.. Why not at least compare it to our 2014/15 team, the one that recorded our best finish in 30 odd years and our highest points tally on the Premier League era. Seems a slightly strange need to pretend last season didn't happen with some people. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Morgan Schneiderlin was probably the best player ever to play for Southampton. Now that's an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Morgan Schneiderlin was probably the best player ever to play for Southampton. Now that's an argument. Not as good at Matt le tissier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Not as good at Matt le tissier. Or Kevin Keegan and Peter Shilton. Now, the best midfielder we've had, that's a different question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Or Kevin Keegan and Peter Shilton. Now' date=' the best midfielder we've had, that's a different question...[/quote'] Steve Williams was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Why not at least compare it to our 2014/15 team, the one that recorded our best finish in 30 odd years and our highest points tally on the Premier League era. That would require posters to use some of their logic coupons and, as we know, there's a perpetual shortage of those on ye old SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Morgan Schneiderlin was probably the best player ever to play for Southampton. Now that's an argument. Not as good at Matt le tissier. glad that was the first response! We are clearly going through a sticky patch and haven't replaced the players we lost in the summer but I'm much more worried by RK's performance so far this season wrong formations, wrong selections and no passion/commitment on the pitch at all. If things don't improve sharpish I can see him being the first manager to go this season we just look rudderless and he isn't exactly looking or sounding like he's going to fix it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Morgan Schneiderlin was probably the best player ever to play for Southampton. Now that's an argument. I just know you don't really believe that, do you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Steve Williams was pretty good. David Armstrong. Nick Holmes. Alan Ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Not a popular opinion probably, but I think Schneiderlin is as good as any of those players, although in a less showy, spectacular way. I would be amazed if we ever have a player of his calibre in central midfield again. i think he is absolutely irreplaceable and that him leaving signals the end of our recent superb era. I think Lambert, JRod, Cork, Wanyama, Lallana etc all looked far better than they do now because they could rely on a player like him to keep the match under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 I don't agree with the first part of your post but 100% agree with the rest! MS made some average players look really great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Not a popular opinion probably, but I think Schneiderlin is as good as any of those players, although in a less showy, spectacular way. I would be amazed if we ever have a player of his calibre in central midfield again. i think he is absolutely irreplaceable and that him leaving signals the end of our recent superb era. I think Lambert, JRod, Cork, Wanyama, Lallana etc all looked far better than they do now because they could rely on a player like him to keep the match under control. As good as le tissier really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Why not at least compare it to our 2014/15 team, the one that recorded our best finish in 30 odd years and our highest points tally on the Premier League era. Seems a slightly strange need to pretend last season didn't happen with some people. Why is that? That is seemingly happening, last season didn't happen. That way they can jump back on their views from last July and proclaim they were right all along, when the fact is they were wrong and still are wrong. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 As good as le tissier really? Yes, really, equally skilled and outstanding, but in an entirely different role. Somebody controlling a game from a defensive midfield position, constantly intercepting, building up play, keeping possession and generally allowing the rest of the team to play above themselves may not make you gasp and stand up to applaud, but takes a very rare talent. I think we'll see just how much he made the team play above itself as this season wears on. We've already gone from a smaller team that could dominate possession against the biggest clubs, to a team that can't build up play effectively at all. Our possession stats have nosedived, and possession was what we built our recent success on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Yes, really, equally skilled and outstanding, but in an entirely different role. Somebody controlling a game from a defensive midfield position, constantly intercepting, building up play, keeping possession and generally allowing the rest of the team to play above themselves may not make you gasp and stand up to applaud, but takes a very rare talent. I think we'll see just how much he made the team play above itself as this season wears on. We've already gone from a smaller team that could dominate possession against the biggest clubs, to a team that can't build up play effectively at all. Our possession stats have nosedived, and possession was what we built our recent success on. Don't agree. Le tiss won games on his own. Scoring goals hardest thing to do on a pitch and he had a much worse team to play in. Morgan couldn't shoot or score or play a killer pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 That's fair enough. It's all opinion rather than fact, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Don't agree. Le tiss won games on his own. Scoring goals hardest thing to do on a pitch and he had a much worse team to play in. Morgan couldn't shoot or score or play a killer pass. I get what he's saying. You don't need to be a ''Le Tiss'' style player to be a key component of a side. He was an incredibly gifted midfielder. The difference he has made to Utd has been telling, but the commentators are seemingly focused on how well Blind and Smalling have done - and not realising what is in front of them. He had terrific positional sense, ran a hell of a lot of miles - almost always our highest distance performer - and it just gave everyone else that little bit of time, an extra 1 or 2 seconds, which makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 I get what he's saying. You don't need to be a ''Le Tiss'' style player to be a key component of a side. He was an incredibly gifted midfielder. The difference he has made to Utd has been telling, but the commentators are seemingly focused on how well Blind and Smalling have done - and not realising what is in front of them. He had terrific positional sense, ran a hell of a lot of miles - almost always our highest distance performer - and it just gave everyone else that little bit of time, an extra 1 or 2 seconds, which makes a difference. Great player one of our best but le tiss single handily won games on his own for 14 years and was always in top flight. The fact he stayed loyal also puts him ahead of Morgan by a distance for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Prefer either side to: Davis - James - Perry - Lancashire - Skacel - Smith - McGoaldraught - Gillett - Surman - Gobern - Paterson Point being, we've come a long way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 August, 2015 Share Posted 28 August, 2015 Prefer either side to: Davis - James - Perry - Lancashire - Skacel - Smith - McGoaldraught - Gillett - Surman - Gobern - Paterson Point being, we've come a long way... What's that got to do with now though. That was 6 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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