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I am stunned. So disappointed as i thought we had best manager to take us a long way in europe. But he didnt even seem interested. Why the hell was Mane on bench when clearly not fit. Talk about 1 step forward, 10000 back. why oh why cant this football club ever progress????? This was our best chance ever. Relegation here we come, no bad thing i think, its about our level

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To be fair if we perform like that against a load of rubbish we'd of had our arse handed to us in the group stage had we gone through.

 

But we would have had three chances of cracking away trips. We won't get that opportunity for another 10 years if were lucky.

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Roko's post match is baffling!

 

- Most watching would say we were not good enough for a win let alone a draw, both tonight and last week

- Harping on about decisions (OK valid point but we did not create enough full stop)

- Picking up on the Rodriguez mistake, why? Them scoring did not impact the tie in any way!

- If Mane was too much of a risk to play, arguably one of our most creative, then why take him? There must be somebody else worth taking if only to give us another option.

 

Big fan of Roko and I can concede we were short of players and will need time to settle as units both defensively and offensively but the set up tactically was just wrong. They knew how we would play and dealt with us all night long yet we failed to switch until late on.

 

The team,and the fans, need a big reaction at the weekend!

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Branfoot-esque football with a Branfoot-esque outcome. No invention or ideas. On the basis of this performance' date=' I'd say we need more than just a CB. Massively disappointing end to our short Europa campaign and a real waste of last season's achievement.[/quote']

 

Yes, but we normally won 1-0.

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Tonight was utterly dire. :(

 

But on the bright side, the following 6 players didn't start tonight...

 

Ryan Bertrand

Victor Wanyama

Jordy Clasie

Cedric Soares

Sadio Mane

Dusan Tadic

 

Can all be added to the starting XI to make it stronger.

 

Plus Virgil van Dijk possibly soon to sign.

 

Two of them should've started. Hindsight or otherwise.

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Bunch of wet tarts on here we lose a couple of games and everybody assumes we are relegation fodder, Way to much negativity on here. This is football you can't win them all. We are out of Europe personally I couldn't give a hoot if we are in or out of it never really appealed to me.

 

I wouldn't write us off yet give us at east 10 games and lets see if anymore players are coming in so some Danish team beat us it happens lets regroup and move on.

 

Wanyama and Mane are off face facts we are small time in comparison to bigger clubs, accept this and move on!

 

We are the Saints we march on! I have supported this team since I was 8 years old, I am now 30 and will continue to do so until the day I die!

 

As for the moaners! logging on here sometimes is like watching Eastenders lol

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I'm going to wait tomorrow, until I have calmed down and will be able to articulate anything constructive.

 

One thing that is obvious, our preparation was unprofessional as it was last season. If Sadio is unfit, you take an additional player on the trip with you. If a player is not fit to play 45 minutes they're not match fit, you do not name that player on the bench. It happened countless times last year when Koeman did not name enough players on the bench.

 

As for our match preparation planning, we clearly did not observe their game plan from the first leg.

 

 

Additionally

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Got to worry that Koeman thought there was anything positive to take from the performance.

On another night we might have sneaked extra time by the strange handball by their player but equally they could have scored 3 rather than 1. Hope Koeman ditches the awful 5-3-2 formation he's used last 2 games. It removes all creativity and reduces us to hoof ball from our own half. Goal was once again suicidal play, this time by Jrod.

Worried by our inability to pass forwards. Davis was least bad at this, at least attempting now and then to turn and try an incisive pass. jWp was awful, Romeu had his worst game for saints by a country mile. Badly missing the likes of cork/Morgan. Need Clasie fit to give the midfield some passing mojo. When tadic came on at least there were a couple of moments of creative spark where we tried to do something better. He needs to start against Norwich.

 

Wonder what going out does for the likelihood of signings or sales. Assume nothing good.

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Bunch of wet tarts on here we lose a couple of games and everybody assumes we are relegation fodder, Way to much negativity on here. This is football you can't win them all. We are out of Europe personally I couldn't give a hoot if we are in or out of it never really appealed to me.

 

I wouldn't write us off yet give us at east 10 games and lets see if anymore players are coming in so some Danish team beat us it happens lets regroup and move on.

 

Wanyama and Mane are off face facts we are small time in comparison to bigger clubs, accept this and move on!

 

We are the Saints we march on! I have supported this team since I was 8 years old, I am now 30 and will continue to do so until the day I die!

 

As for the moaners! logging on here sometimes is like watching Eastenders lol

 

I don't buy the relegation ********, that's just over-emotional rubbish. But you cannot fail to be disappointed by tonight, I think you'll be in the minority if you don't care about Europe. What else is there for us? This was going to be a great experience up to Christmas, potentially further, but to not even get to the group stage is a bit of a mess. Just don't feel we'll be back at this stage for a long time, and you just have to wonder what else is there to hope for if we don't want to play in Europe?

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Bunch of wet tarts on here we lose a couple of games and everybody assumes we are relegation fodder, Way to much negativity on here. This is football you can't win them all. We are out of Europe personally I couldn't give a hoot if we are in or out of it never really appealed to me.

 

What does appeal to you then? Champion League qualification? :rolleyes:

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So disappointed with us this season. We really are looking like a side that will be battling to stay in the league.

 

The performance tonight was much like our transfer window so far - A joke.

 

We need more than just a new CB, we need another goalscorer. Rodriguez has looked awful in the games he's played and I can appreciate that he needs time after such a long injury but should that be with the first team? He's making us weaker as things stand. I don't want to single him out because the whole side were awful today but he was the worst player on the pitch.

 

Koeman's interview really is annoying to listen to. He's deluded if he means what he says.

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Bunch of wet tarts on here we lose a couple of games and everybody assumes we are relegation fodder, Way to much negativity on here. This is football you can't win them all. We are out of Europe personally I couldn't give a hoot if we are in or out of it never really appealed to me.

 

I wouldn't write us off yet give us at east 10 games and lets see if anymore players are coming in so some Danish team beat us it happens lets regroup and move on.

 

Wanyama and Mane are off face facts we are small time in comparison to bigger clubs, accept this and move on!

 

We are the Saints we march on! I have supported this team since I was 8 years old, I am now 30 and will continue to do so until the day I die!

 

As for the moaners! logging on here sometimes is like watching Eastenders lol

 

If you watch eastenders you shouldn't be allowed near a computer

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In the seven competitive games this season there has been three or four very poor team and tactic selections. Tonight chasing the game with two goalscorers, one not fully fit was bizarre. JWP and Targett are U21 standard. JWP is slow, negative, unambitious and no dead ball specialist. His delivery was yet again awful. Targett just isn't ready. Juanmi, Long, Mane, Tadic and Soares on the bench, all or most should have played with a normal 4-2-3-1. Going for it with eight non scorers was a joke.

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Come on Koeman, we weren't unlucky.

 

''It was our best performance until now''

 

come on...don't start spouting ****! please....you're better than that.

My daughters explained these comments. Ronald obviously thought we were still the team playing in red!

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Even when we were losing when we came back up to the prem we tried to play football,that was awful,just awful

 

Ronald Koeman is a footballing legend,yet he sent his team out to play long ball ?? Dutch Fat Sam style !!

 

Tadic looked lively when he came on lets hope he can get his fitness back up,if we play with a lone striker we need someone who will play behind that can get close to Pelle for flicks/lay offs etc,JWP is not the answer at all,I get that he is from the academy and all that but he offers nothing,all this set piece crap is annoying,someone please tell me the last time we scored from a set piece from him ??

 

I usually shout at the TV when we are losing but I just sat there for 90 mins and hardly even batted a eyelid,you could see we were never going to score.

 

Koeman will have to sort this out quickly as we have seen enough of this style already and it clearly doesn't work

 

At least we have Bertrand/Mane/Vic/Clasie to come back

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I don't buy the relegation ********, that's just over-emotional rubbish. But you cannot fail to be disappointed by tonight, I think you'll be in the minority if you don't care about Europe. What else is there for us? This was going to be a great experience up to Christmas, potentially further, but to not even get to the group stage is a bit of a mess. Just don't feel we'll be back at this stage for a long time, and you just have to wonder what else is there to hope for if we don't want to play in Europe?

 

If we continue our form so far, we will be lucky to stay up. Not bullsh*t I'm afraid.

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That was complete garbage, utter dross.

 

We were up against a physical, organised defensive team - we were crying out for some creativity to unlock their defence but we left our creative players on the bench and obsessively pursued a one dimensional lump-it-up-to-Pelle tactic which predictably failed.

 

The full backs were poor, Targett isn't up to it and Martina seemed to want to go backwards rather than forwards.

 

Caulker was a hoof merchant, lump it up to Graziano and don't even bother to provide any quality.

 

Playing 3 centre halves against their attack? Why didn't we play 2 and add Tadic/Juanmi to the attack instead? Very poor team selection.

 

Graziano tried his best to make the one dimensional attack work making flick ons all game long, shame none of the others made much of an effort to pick up his headers.

 

J-Rod looks very rusty, it's going to take him time to get back to full sharpness, quite why he was on when Tadic was on the bench was mystifying. Tadic actually made things tick when he came on, sadly he wasn't given a full game otherwise we might still be in the competition.

 

Stephen Davis was OK ish, Ward Prowse was OK ish but overall the midfield was not clever enough, creative enough, fast enough or tenacious enough.

 

Where was the quality crossing? Where were the through balls? Where were the one-twos and clever passing movements? Nowhere. Brain dead football.

 

We can't complain, we deserved to lose. We must improve and quickly otherwise it will be a long hard season.

 

Gutted, another cup competition we've ****ed away.

 

Pretty much this. The selection was incomprehensible and we deserved to lose. At least we can only get better.

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That was one of the worst managerial performances I've seen from a Saints Manager since Ian Branfoot's days. Completely wrong team selection, wrong tactics, little or no motivation from the side lines, and the wrong substitutions at the wrong times. I think RK has lost interest.

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For once I totally agree with the sentiment of most posters here.

 

Route 1 football totally against what we've been successful with.

3 CBs v a team we knew was going to sit back

Poor choices both on the field by players and Koeman

 

Whatever the reason behind our poor start we need to simply get back to basics. 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and stop lumping it up to Pelle ffs

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That was complete garbage, utter dross.

 

We were up against a physical, organised defensive team - we were crying out for some creativity to unlock their defence but we left our creative players on the bench and obsessively pursued a one dimensional lump-it-up-to-Pelle tactic which predictably failed.

 

The full backs were poor, Targett isn't up to it and Martina seemed to want to go backwards rather than forwards.

 

Caulker was a hoof merchant, lump it up to Graziano and don't even bother to provide any quality.

 

Playing 3 centre halves against their attack? Why didn't we play 2 and add Tadic/Juanmi to the attack instead? Very poor team selection.

 

Graziano tried his best to make the one dimensional attack work making flick ons all game long, shame none of the others made much of an effort to pick up his headers.

 

J-Rod looks very rusty, it's going to take him time to get back to full sharpness, quite why he was on when Tadic was on the bench was mystifying. Tadic actually made things tick when he came on, sadly he wasn't given a full game otherwise we might still be in the competition.

 

Stephen Davis was OK ish, Ward Prowse was OK ish but overall the midfield was not clever enough, creative enough, fast enough or tenacious enough.

 

Where was the quality crossing? Where were the through balls? Where were the one-twos and clever passing movements? Nowhere. Brain dead football.

 

We can't complain, we deserved to lose. We must improve and quickly otherwise it will be a long hard season.

 

Gutted, another cup competition we've ****ed away.

Dreadful tactics, dreadful performance! Has Branfoot returned!!!???

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That was one of the worst managerial performances I've seen from a Saints Manager since Ian Branfoot's days. Completely wrong team selection, wrong tactics, little or no motivation from the side lines, and the wrong substitutions at the wrong times. I think RK has lost interest.

 

This worries me as there may be something in it. Although you'd think Koeman or any manager would want a result for personal pride, perhaps a 2nd successive season losing top players is frustrating him.

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I think this is indicative of a general demise since Poch left - the games we dominated after that were where the players still had some of his coaching in them. It seems Ron and Co have gradually coached the team backwards. Add to this the fact that most of our best players have left and that the squad harmony built from League One has been destroyed, it's perhaps no surprise that we're looking a shadow of the former glory.

 

The worrying aspect is that this pattern has been seen before in other teams and relegation is a definite possibility as a next step unless the decline is arrested. I am not convinced returning injured players or even a couple of squad additions are going to make much of difference. If you hoof it to Pelle nearly every attack, even the best midfielders in the World will struggle to make an impact on the game. Ron and Co need to seriously question their tactics and team selection - it ain't working fellas.

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As posted elsewhere...

 

That was the clearest sign yet we've regressed. We've lost three top class proven players and replaced them with cheap gambles. I guess our transfer committee got cocky that we could do it again. Feel sorry for he fans, they must feel mugged with that substandard ****e. Sort it the f**k out.

 

Schneiderlin is the best in the world at what he does, without question, been saying it in the face of all the Nemanja Matic love there seems to be. He's incredible. That, plus the loss of an able deputy in Cork, the undoubted quality of Alderweireld and Clyne has been to much to bear.

 

We only spent serious money last close season because of the outcry and the fact they literally had to. Then it worked and they lived off the visionaries reputation that was bestowed upon them. I'm looking at you, Les Reed and Co.

 

Midtjylland aren't a bad team but we should never, ever have been in this position in the first place. A total **** up and the cocky malaise of the board has led to this. Koeman as well, if his comments are anything to go by... but don't worry, Virgil van Dijk, who plays against Scotland's equivalents of Matt Paterson every week will sort it out.

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As an aside, FC Midtjylland are one of the most cynical teams going.

 

Which is also why they are leading the Danish league ... Defensively they are very strong and they only need a few opportunities to secure a win or a draw ... or as the old Liverpool legend Jan Mølby said during the first leg, then this Southampton team simply lack the creativity and flair to be able to surprise the FCM defense, though they got the speed and a physical advantage of an English PL side.... and this also seemed to be the consensus during this second leg .... so the Danish commentators never really seemed all that worried ...

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In the first ten minutes, I thought we would walk that, we looked by far the better side. But christ almighty, what was the hoofball about? I know Ron said we'd be going direct, but wtaf?? Maybe we've been spoiled during the rise back up through the leagues, but it's hard to stomach watching that style of play when we've all been slating other teams for it in the past. "We are Southampton, we play on the ground...."

 

The only things I can think of are that Ron is injured, which can't do much for his own confidence generally, what with hobbling around on crutches unable to get into the technical area. The squad is depleted already, and I don't know how easy it's going to be integrating the new arrivals quickly into the team.

 

Other than that, it's all good.

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If we continue our form so far, we will be lucky to stay up. Not bullsh*t I'm afraid.

 

Overreactionary, in my opinion. Our first 11 (Stek, Cedric, Fonte, Toshiba, Bertrand, Wanyama, Romeu, Davis, Mane, Tadic, Pelle) is more than good enough to stay up. The main issue tonight/this season is that once you expose our squad players, things *can* get dicey. And then Koeman strolls along and inexplicably plays formations which accentuate those weaknesses. He's had a mare start to the season - worse than any player. Whilst we are without first 11 players, we need to play our best remaining players (Tadic, Cedric, Long (maybe) - sounds obvious I know) in our most familiar formation (4-2-3-1). I thought he was switching to a back 5 to remove defensive pressure from our full backs, but he's actually hung them out to dry offensively (given their limited ability).

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I'm utterly bemused that someone who was so tactically adept for most of last season could turn that clueless this quickly. As Derry said, this isn't the first time this season that he's got the starting line up shockingly wrong - and that's not a judgment of hindsight because each time plenty of people voiced reservations before a ball was even kicked. But for Koeman to fail to see it at half time tonight, and then to make bizarre comments about how well we played, is really, really troubling. I don't subscribe to the view myself but I can quite understand why some would think that there's trouble behind the doors of SMS and/or that Koeman is playing some kind of game here.

 

I still think we have a very good squad and an excellent starting eleven, but that will count for naught if Koeman keeps getting the line up and tactics wrong.

 

Stunned. Just stunned.

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Which is also why they are leading the Danish league ... Defensively they are very strong and they only need a few opportunities to secure a win or a draw ... or as the old Liverpool legend Jan Mølby said during the first leg, then this Southampton team simply lack the creativity and flair to be able to surprise the FCM defense, though they got the speed and a physical advantage of an English PL side.... and this also seemed to be the consensus during this second leg .... so the Danish commentators never really seemed all that worried ...

 

I made no remark about their footballing style of play - you work with what you have. I'm commenting of their cynical tactics/game management.

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I'm utterly bemused that someone who was so tactically adept for most of last season could turn that clueless this quickly. As Derry said, this isn't the first time this season that he's got the starting line up shockingly wrong - and that's not a judgment of hindsight because each time plenty of people voiced reservations before a ball was even kicked. But for Koeman to fail to see it at half time tonight, and then to make bizarre comments about how well we played, is really, really troubling. I don't subscribe to the view myself but I can quite understand why some would think that there's trouble behind the doors of SMS and/or that Koeman is playing some kind of game here.

 

I still think we have a very good squad and an excellent starting eleven, but that will count for naught if Koeman keeps getting the line up and tactics wrong.

 

Stunned. Just stunned.

 

Completely agree with this. It's absolutely baffling from Koeman

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Sheffield United away last season was one.

 

West Brom at home another. We usually turn out okay.

 

I think this is indicative of a general demise since Poch left - the games we dominated after that were where the players still had some of his coaching in them. It seems Ron and Co have gradually coached the team backwards.

 

All the way back to our highest ever Premiership finish!

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Sitting in a bar just back from the game. Yes, very disappointed like everyone but trying to analyse what's wrong.

 

In a word it's fear. RK picked an excessively defensive lineup for fear of conceding. He announced a direct approach through fear of losing the ball in a passing game.

 

Our central midfield rarely turned on the ball - not brave enough. So it was nearly always the safe, but unthreatening ball. Another factor in this is the lack of movement restricting positive, attacking passes.

 

Our so- called wing backs weren't. In promising positions, particularly Targett was too frightened to attack his man and the byline and floated in harmless diagonal crosses. When Tadic came on, Targett was no support.

 

A key to winning matches, cited by many good managers including WGS and Adkins, is being brave on the ball, trying the unexpected but working hard as a team to get the ball back if it's lost.

 

From the manager down, we're simply not confident or brave enough at the moment to win anything.

 

Just as well we're out of Europe.

 

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Bunch of wet tarts on here we lose a couple of games and everybody assumes we are relegation fodder, Way to much negativity on here. This is football you can't win them all. We are out of Europe personally I couldn't give a hoot if we are in or out of it never really appealed to me.

 

I wouldn't write us off yet give us at east 10 games and lets see if anymore players are coming in so some Danish team beat us it happens lets regroup and move on.

 

Wanyama and Mane are off face facts we are small time in comparison to bigger clubs, accept this and move on!

 

We are the Saints we march on! I have supported this team since I was 8 years old, I am now 30 and will continue to do so until the day I die!

 

A MESSAGE FOR ALLY UK

Well bully for you in your cosy little cot, I am writing this in the lobby of the Hotel Herning with 100 hacked off Saints fans who have all paid 300 quid to watch a clueless pathetic performance that deserves all the criticism being given on here tonight. The blame is entirely RK's, his team selection was universally criticised before ko and the fans were proved right. No bed wetting just mightily ****ed off and entitled to have a whinge despite your hissy fit

 

As for the moaners! logging on here sometimes is like watching Eastenders lol

Bunch of wet tarts on here we lose a couple of games and everybody assumes we are relegation fodder, Way to much negativity on here. This is football you can't win them all. We are out of Europe personally I couldn't give a hoot if we are in or out of it never really appealed to me.

 

I wouldn't write us off yet give us at east 10 games and lets see if anymore players are coming in so some Danish team beat us it happens lets regroup and move on.

 

Wanyama and Mane are off face facts we are small time in comparison to bigger clubs, accept this and move on!

 

We are the Saints we march on! I have supported this team since I was 8 years old, I am now 30 and will continue to do so until the day I die!

 

A MESSAGE FOR ALLY UK

 

Well bully for you in your cosy little cot, I am writing this in the lobby of the Hotel Herning with 100 hacked off Saints fans who have all paid 300 quid to watch a clueless pathetic performance that deserves all the criticism being given on here tonight. The blame is entirely RK's, his team selection was universally criticised before ko and the fans were proved right. No bed wetting just mightily ****ed off and entitled to have a whinge despite your hissy fit

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If I hear anyone say this in person, I will hit them.

 

How often does this come about? If we get European qualification again this season then we'll have had (another) exceptional season and/or won a cup.

 

This.

 

Could have been a once in a generation opportunity. The league comes round every year, the FA Cup comes round every year, for clubs like us European football comes round after a very, very good season which we won't always have.

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