pluto Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 This article utter bullshine and his agency needs banning http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/southampton/376/blog/post/2573871/sadio-mane-manchester-united-transfer-southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Christ, when did Steve Nichol turn into Bricktop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 ...and there's not a lot wrong with that article, tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Good article and just about sums things up. Our main objective is to stay in the Premiership and make a profit as a 'solid' Premier club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I think I would rather the business model of buying young players with potential and selling at a higher price after they have served us, than buying older players with little or no resale value. The latter is a sure fire way to bleed money from the club. For me it's the only way to remain self sustainable. That and the academy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I don't see what is wrong with that article. Manè,Wanyama & possibly JRod will all go next summer Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I wouldn't get overly worked up. The North American sports networks cater to 'fans' of the big 4, Liverpool, Spurs, Barca and Real. Everybody else is a token gesture, a 'plucky upstart' challenging the authority of the big guns. Every time I watch saints they highlight our key men and, should there be a transfer rumour running about the player, they mention it and highlight how the player will have ambitions to play in the champions league and win trophies. It's frustrating, as is having to suffer Danny Dichio as a pundit, but there isn't anything you can do when their entire sports regimes are built around profit and closed shops with no relegation (a bit like the Champions league really) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 When you judge a journalist and especially one as terrible as Crook you need to remember that the press is the definition of hypocrisy. One minute they love us for what we did getting back to and then challenging for a short period last season and then a minute later they are peddling rumours to destroy the team. The media is a business like any other and the writers are only interested in their own income and writing controversy and or articles that drive sales and boost their profile within their own incideous industry and those who they get their "info" from have vested interests themselves. I would love to know his many "genuine" exclusives there are nowadays but I would guess less than one percent of all "stories" are nothing more than made up guesses disguised as intelligent and in the know. Anyone can make anything up and get it spread worldwide within minutes. Sky rely on this to fill their schedule on SSN and to drive money into their betting channel. It's one big circus!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 That is actually a good article, right on the money in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 It's sensationalism, click bait, nothing more. Without knowing all the inner workings of journalism I'm sure the number of people clicking on that article affects his pay or future work with ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Anyone can make anything up and get it spread worldwide within minutes. Go on then. Gomis to Saints. Get it spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 It might be a nothing article but it is accurate. It's hard to argue with the Romeu one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 You can't say positive things about an Alex Crook article on this forum - you need to follow the party line. Who are his sources? Why is he credible? Questions put to me by our resident spreadsheet keeper last time I dared to do so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Not much evidence of Crook talking ****e in those articles. Seems a fairly decent assessment of the Mane and Reed situations. In fact its quite refreshing to read this sort of tripe by someone who at least has done some basic research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Seems a perfectly reasonable article to me, Mane will almost certainly got for between 25-30 million to one of the top 4 in a season or so's time we and 99% of the clubs in this country are selling clubs simply because we can't match the wages on offer from the big boys. Since joining the prem we have stepped up to the point where it seems our best players will only go to the big 4 plus Liverpool which means we will hold onto other players we would have previously lost but we will never break into the very top echelon of clubs as we will never have the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Good article and just about sums things up. Our main objective is to stay in the Premiership and make a profit as a 'solid' Premier club. "Our" - who is this "we" business? If that is the aim of the club, which I suspect it's not, then I for one can't really see what the point of just making up the numbers is. But hey, I'm sure that they won't miss my £1500 a year I spend on season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 21 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Complete fruitloops agreeing with someone slagging down our club (no suprise on here) This fat bearded bournemouth mug (who supports man United LOL) just continues to slag us off at every given chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Not a bad article for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Complete fruitloops agreeing with someone slagging down our club (no suprise on here) This fat bearded bournemouth mug (who supports man United LOL) just continues to slag us off at every given chance. Slagging off how exactly? Where did he do that? I didn't read 'Southampton are a bad club' or words to that effect, perhaps you can highlight where that was said or even implied? Think it's also a bit harsh to say he's fat as well. Wouldn't be you slagging him off would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Hes a c**t who seems to have a problem with our club - probably our sheer temerity for making the top 6 sweat. But he is right about our standing in football; 10 years on, nothing has changed since the days of Rupert Lowe. That has become clear over the past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 "Our" - who is this "we" business? If that is the aim of the club, which I suspect it's not, then I for one can't really see what the point of just making up the numbers is. But hey, I'm sure that they won't miss my £1500 a year I spend on season tickets. Well, if what matters to you is winning the league or the European Champions league go and buy a season ticket at a plastic club. I actually enjoy the drama of fighting relegation, being relegated, building a new team and being promoted again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Seems like Man Utd fan Crook has achieved exactly what he wanted from this comment piece then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I don't see what is wrong with that article. Manè,Wanyama & possibly JRod will all go next summer Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Indeed, lets hope they are queuing up for JRod next summer, it will mean Southampton have enjoyed a good season from him....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 OP, you might not like his opinion but facts speak for themselves. Footballers will nearly always want to go 'up the ladder'. The days of a player being loyal and staying with the same club for years, are long past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Indeed, lets hope they are queuing up for JRod next summer, it will mean Southampton have enjoyed a good season from him....... This is true! Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 OP, you might not like his opinion but facts speak for themselves. Footballers will nearly always want to go 'up the ladder'. The days of a player being loyal and staying with the same club for years, are long past. True, I would say as a general rule in the world of business today that is also true. SFC, after all is a business. For some very wealthy owners it is a 'plaything' or a status symbol. I think we are lucky with our current owner, but I would suspect that KL sees it very much through her business spectacles and who knows how different this was to Markus ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Hes a c**t who seems to have a problem with our club - probably our sheer temerity for making the top 6 sweat. But he is right about our standing in football; 10 years on, nothing has changed since the days of Rupert Lowe. That has become clear over the past year. I'm not sure that's quite true - our buying power has improved significantly. Lowe wouldn't sanction signing Malbranque and Saha from Fulham because it would be putting money into the pockets of our rivals, and instead we were lumped with the likes of Mikael Nilsson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 The messenger always get shot on this forum especially when he is the bearer of uncomfortable news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 It's just a non article though. Saying he will probably go at some point, well...yeah, obviously. Do we need an article saying bigger clubs with loads of money will probably eventually get their man? Well from the reaction of people on this site, yes I think we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Complete fruitloops agreeing with someone slagging down our club (no suprise on here) This fat bearded bournemouth mug (who supports man United LOL) just continues to slag us off at every given chance. BUt he's not slagging us or anyone off. Have you actually read what he has written? If so do you comprehend it? Seems like you're the fruitloop if you think anything in either of those pieces is "slagging off". You just saw it was by someone who you have a problem with and assumed it would be what you wanted it to be. Its not, get over it. Move on and look for something else that suits your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 (edited) Well, if what matters to you is winning the league or the European Champions league go and buy a season ticket at a plastic club. I actually enjoy the drama of fighting relegation, being relegated, building a new team and being promoted again. That's very different from what you posted - "Our main objective is to stay in the Premiership and make a profit as a 'solid' Premier club." - you seem happy just to make up the numbers. And really, it's a little silly of you to go on about buying a season ticket at a plastic club. Where have I said we should be going for winning the league or CL. There are those that constantly whinge and compare us to other clubs, which would suggest that they might be happier elsewhere. Me, it's Saints or nothing. I like to be melodramatic about things and say nothing comparing us to other clubs, but come renewal time I seem to renew. But hey, one day (soon no doubt) I just won't bother. I constantly say that the league as it is a nonsense where only 2 or 3 teams can win it, so I do question even being part of it. If we are just in the Premier League to secure our place and make a profit, then not sure that's really that appealing. I'm not sure how old you are, I suspect quite a lot younger than me. I've found the appeal of football, while still strong, has waned over the years. I currently find the incessant bigging up of the Premier League rather tiresome. I realise Sky and BT need to constantly glamorise it to keep it at the top of everyone's mind so that they can get money in to offset the ridiculous amount that they pay out. I am sure that I would find it less boring if they didn't go on and on and on about the biggest clubs (which they have to to appeal to the most number of people), or maybe it would be less boring if I was a supporter of those clubs. talkSport, Mail, Mirror, blogs, etc etc - they all do the same thing. But I support little old Saints, and I realise we are at the party just to make up the numbers. As I say, age can make one look at things differently. I think that we both agree that there is, in the PL, the top 6 and then the rest. You obviously are happy for SFC just to make up the numbers and maintain the laissez-faire - that's of course fine. Me, I find it a little pointless and would love things to change. I'm not naive enough to think it will, so the obvious option is for me to give up football. Edited 21 August, 2015 by angelman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Man city just pay a fine under the rules if they or any other club lost points might make it fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 That's very different from what you posted - "Our main objective is to stay in the Premiership and make a profit as a 'solid' Premier club." - you seem happy just to make up the numbers. And really, it's a little silly of you to go on about buying a season ticket at a plastic club. Where have I said we should be going for winning the league or CL. There are those that constantly whinge and compare us to other clubs, which would suggest that they might be happier elsewhere. Me, it's Saints or nothing. I like to be melodramatic about things and say nothing comparing us to other clubs, but come renewal time I seem to renew. But hey, one day (soon no doubt) I just won't bother. I constantly say that the league as it is a nonsense where only 2 or 3 teams can win it, so I do question even being part of it. If we are just in the Premier League to secure our place and make a profit, then not sure that's really that appealing. I'm not sure how old you are, I suspect quite a lot younger than me. I've found the appeal of football, while still strong, has waned over the years. I currently find the incessant bigging up of the Premier League rather tiresome. I realise Sky and BT need to constantly glamorise it to keep it at the top of everyone's mind so that they can get money in to offset the ridiculous amount that they pay out. I am sure that I would find it less boring if they didn't go on and on and on about the biggest clubs (which they have to to appeal to the most number of people), or maybe it would be less boring if I was a supporter of those clubs. talkSport, Mail, Mirror, blogs, etc etc - they all do the same thing. But I support little old Saints, and I realise we are at the party just to make up the numbers. As I say, age can make one look at things differently. I think that we both agree that there is, in the PL, the top 6 and then the rest. You obviously are happy for SFC just to make up the numbers and maintain the laissez-faire - that's of course fine. Me, I find it a little pointless and would love things to change. I'm not naive enough to think it will, so the obvious option is for me to give up football. Actually, it might surprise you that I agree to a large degree with your sentiments. I look back with great affection to the days before the Premier League when teams like Nottingham Forest and Ipswich could build a team and break through. Also, when it was possible for ManUre to be relegated,as in 1974. However, those days are long gone. I love the fact that we can shake the big guns up and being relegated to the Championship and a better league is not so bad. The only problem for the club is the lack of money in the other leagues, but I would rather be a yoyo club than a plastic club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Can't find much to argue about the facts in the article. But I wouldn't be surprised if he had a smug grin on his face as he was writing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 His basic premise is correct but he's still a c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 His basic premise is correct but he's still a c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Solid article. Agree with it entirely Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I would love a European super league to be formed and the majority of the finances removed from the EPL, rendering it more competitive. I'm fed up of money ruining sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 It's not all bad. On the face of it, the modern-day Liverpool are not much of a step up from Saints and only one place separated the two teams in last season's final league table. Clyne was not even born when the Kop last won the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I would love a European super league to be formed and the majority of the finances removed from the EPL, rendering it more competitive. I'm fed up of money ruining sport. This will happen sooner rather than later IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Article is accurate . We will only cease to be a selling club when we run out of players worth buying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 I would love a European super league to be formed and the majority of the finances removed from the EPL, rendering it more competitive. I'm fed up of money ruining sport. European Super League is clearly not going to happen any time soon. For example, NBC have just signed up to show the Premier League as is until 2022. Also, how would a multi-billion dollar global franchise European Super League actually prevent "money ruining sport"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Article is accurate . We will only cease to be a selling club when we run out of players worth buying 'Selling club' is this a nonsense term creeping in to general vocab of football punditry. See 'game management' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 European Super League is clearly not going to happen any time soon. For example, NBC have just signed up to show the Premier League as is until 2022. Also, how would a multi-billion dollar global franchise European Super League actually prevent "money ruining sport"? By then we will just be a feeder league for the MLS. Being renamed Saints Hotcats won't help us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 By then we will just be a feeder league for the MLS. Being renamed Saints Hotcats won't help us I do not think we are far away from a prem/MLS partnership...pre/post season mini cup or some shyte with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 European Super League is clearly not going to happen any time soon. For example, NBC have just signed up to show the Premier League as is until 2022. Also, how would a multi-billion dollar global franchise European Super League actually prevent "money ruining sport"? I agree that it won't happen soon. Premier League won't push for it as it is a cash cow at the moment. But the compromise seems to be the Champions League, which given the state of the various leagues around Europe, tends to send the same teams there (at least the ones that can win it) year in, year out (with of course some interlopers from time to time). Football is somewhat predictable, which I guess might make it easier for some to sell in places like USA and the Far East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 We are in the European super league already. It just happens to be played in England. The money is here and other leagues can't stop the drain of their players as they can't compete on wages. There are a few super powers out there (either through global appeal RM,Barcelona etc through domestic domination bayern juve and through external funding PSG etc But the highest turnover teams in the world is being dominated by English clubs now. We can't compete with the top 6 directly as we will always lose players to them. However getting them to fund our club to the tune of 100s of millions in transfer fees could be a good model but we need to continue to invest in decent quality players from the other leagues and get a couple of seasons from them before selling them on at a big profit.....It works for Atletico. Having that money coming in will ensure we grow, can have a bigger squad and are more successful (long term) than teams like palace Leicester and Stoke maybe even newcastle but finishing higher than last year ever year just isn't possible. The money will give us stability within the league like Everton, Spurs etc who are never really in danger go going down..they may flirt down there a little from time to time but it's not really going to happen and that's what we need to be aiming at. IMO we haven't got a bad business model which will grow the club. We could really do with a cup final or two though to raise our profile! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 We are in the European super league already. It just happens to be played in England. The money is here and other leagues can't stop the drain of their players as they can't compete on wages. There are a few super powers out there (either through global appeal RM,Barcelona etc through domestic domination bayern juve and through external funding PSG etc But the highest turnover teams in the world is being dominated by English clubs now. We can't compete with the top 6 directly as we will always lose players to them. However getting them to fund our club to the tune of 100s of millions in transfer fees could be a good model but we need to continue to invest in decent quality players from the other leagues and get a couple of seasons from them before selling them on at a big profit.....It works for Atletico. Having that money coming in will ensure we grow, can have a bigger squad and are more successful (long term) than teams like palace Leicester and Stoke maybe even newcastle but finishing higher than last year ever year just isn't possible. The money will give us stability within the league like Everton, Spurs etc who are never really in danger go going down..they may flirt down there a little from time to time but it's not really going to happen and that's what we need to be aiming at. IMO we haven't got a bad business model which will grow the club. We could really do with a cup final or two though to raise our profile! That is spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 We are in the European super league already. It just happens to be played in England. The money is here and other leagues can't stop the drain of their players as they can't compete on wages. There are a few super powers out there (either through global appeal RM,Barcelona etc through domestic domination bayern juve and through external funding PSG etc But the highest turnover teams in the world is being dominated by English clubs now. We can't compete with the top 6 directly as we will always lose players to them. However getting them to fund our club to the tune of 100s of millions in transfer fees could be a good model but we need to continue to invest in decent quality players from the other leagues and get a couple of seasons from them before selling them on at a big profit.....It works for Atletico. Having that money coming in will ensure we grow, can have a bigger squad and are more successful (long term) than teams like palace Leicester and Stoke maybe even newcastle but finishing higher than last year ever year just isn't possible. The money will give us stability within the league like Everton, Spurs etc who are never really in danger go going down..they may flirt down there a little from time to time but it's not really going to happen and that's what we need to be aiming at. IMO we haven't got a bad business model which will grow the club. We could really do with a cup final or two though to raise our profile! Agree we dont have a bad business model, but surely the point is that whilst its good business, its not great for the the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 We are in the European super league already. It just happens to be played in England. The money is here and other leagues can't stop the drain of their players as they can't compete on wages. There are a few super powers out there (either through global appeal RM,Barcelona etc through domestic domination bayern juve and through external funding PSG etc But the highest turnover teams in the world is being dominated by English clubs now. We can't compete with the top 6 directly as we will always lose players to them. However getting them to fund our club to the tune of 100s of millions in transfer fees could be a good model but we need to continue to invest in decent quality players from the other leagues and get a couple of seasons from them before selling them on at a big profit.....It works for Atletico. Having that money coming in will ensure we grow, can have a bigger squad and are more successful (long term) than teams like palace Leicester and Stoke maybe even newcastle but finishing higher than last year ever year just isn't possible. The money will give us stability within the league like Everton, Spurs etc who are never really in danger go going down..they may flirt down there a little from time to time but it's not really going to happen and that's what we need to be aiming at. IMO we haven't got a bad business model which will grow the club. We could really do with a cup final or two though to raise our profile! The problem I have with this strategy is that the first team is so disrupted, so regularly, it makes reaching the "cup final or two" a game of chance rather than planned. I read many articles last season saying that it was a weak EPL season. Maybe there was an element of luck in our achievements ? Looking at how Everton and Newcastle appear to be much stronger this season as an initial impression, we could find ourselves significantly lower in the table, and accordingly our cup chances reduced. The strategy is great from an accountants perspective, but I dont see us making steady continual progress on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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