ally_uk Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Anybody know any background about this player? I think he should be given a decent run out: yes / no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 looks decent. young and all that. i felt that this position should have been been a purchase who would have gone straight into the side. Juanmi does not appear to be in that calibre I think he will do alright, if given a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 He was never bought as a starter, more as a replacement for the Djuricic/Elia roles. He is seemingly being eased into proceedings, Haven't seen enough of him really to make a massive judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Should be first sub on. Looks lively, can change games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Would like to have seen him on much earlier last night. Not sure what you are supposed to do in the last 5/10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Would like to have seen him on much earlier last night. Not sure what you are supposed to do in the last 5/10 minutes. Nowhere near long enough. It takes ten minutes to adapt to the pace of the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 For me you should give someone at least 30 minutes if you are looking to shake things up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 He was never bought as a starter, more as a replacement for the Djuricic/Elia roles. He is seemingly being eased into proceedings, Haven't seen enough of him really to make a massive judgement. Seeing as had just got into the Spain squad, surely he would have moved expecting (at some stage) to become a fairly key man rather than a backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I don't understand this insistence on starting Pelle every game and then never substituting him. I'd like to see Juanmi and Jay Rod starting up front. Failing that I'd like to see Pelle subbed and somebody who can give us something different brought on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 (edited) it never ceases to amaze me how quick some people are to judge a new player ......unless he plays a blinder on his debut....... ..there are a few contributors on here who condemned Mane to the same category as Ali Dia in his first few games, which maybe why Man U want to buy him With half a dozen new faces in the squad - who scarcely share the same language. It 'll take time to blend into a good team, and Juanmi - like the rest - will need time. we may well see more unbalanced games before things start to fit into place, and with team changes between Prem. and Euro games we never have the same line-up. Edited 21 August, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Would like to see a set up of: ---------Wanyama-----Clasie/Romeu---------- JWP--------------Juanmi------------------Mane --------------------JRod------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I was in Malaga this summer and the locals love him. Taxi drivers, bar men and guys working in the hotel who followed football all raved about him. Spoke to a couple of expats who have S/T at Malaga , they said he's very talented and IF he can cope physically with the premier league will be a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpedro Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 i think he will turn out to be a useful player and it is sensible that he is being eased in to the team. He has good technique, vision and skills and I was impressed with him the few times I have seen him playing for Málaga. What is often forgotten is that it takes foreign players some time both to adapt to the different pace and style of the league, but also to living in England. It is very different, but luckily there are one or two other Spanish speakers in the squad who can help him adapt and get used to living in England. It's why I think Romeu will probably be the signing that will have the quickest impact, compared to our other full signings, as he used to the league and England. Clasie, Juanmi and Soares will take a little longer. Not many young Spanish players have come to England and excelled straight away. I do sometimes wish we looked at players already in the league, but obviously the cost can be preventative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo_ARG Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 He played for his national team. You don't play in Spain if you are not good. Why he doesen't get in before Long is a mistery. Long is just too similiar to Jay Rodriguez. We need a different look, more creative players than just the run behind the defense that RK seems to like too much. I didn't understand how RK expected to score yesteray. How can you score if the creative players are in the bench? I would like to see Tadic in the middle for example. Give him the NO 10 role, he needs more touches, instead of being isoloted in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Would like to see a set up of: ---------Wanyama-----Clasie/Romeu---------- JWP--------------Juanmi------------------Mane --------------------JRod------------------------- The ball would never stick up top with that forward line up and the inclusion of JWP makes it even more bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 The ball would never stick up top with that forward line up and the inclusion of JWP makes it even more bizarre. Why bizarre? He puts in a shift, and has a fantastic delivery, better than Tadic and will protect Cedric a lot more that him IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpedro Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 He played for his national team. You don't play in Spain if you are not good. Why he doesen't get in before Long is a mistery. Long is just too similiar to Jay Rodriguez. We need a different look, more creative players than just the run behind the defense that RK seems to like too much. I didn't understand how RK expected to score yesteray. How can you score if the creative players are in the bench? I would like to see Tadic in the middle for example. Give him the NO 10 role, he needs more touches, instead of being isoloted in the wings. As you say he is a talented player, but just because he has played for Spain does not mean he should automatically start for us. He has only played once for Spain, and it was in a friendly and didn't play particularly well given being played out of position compared to where he featured for Malaga - he was dropped for the next match. Spain are lacking strikers at the moment with Villa and Torres past it, Llorente not always playing for Juventus, Jese was out injured, Soldado hopeless for Spurs and Negredo not playing particularly well. Juanmi is part of the next generation alongside the likes of Morata, Jese and Alcácer. Long has been brought on because Juanmi is still finding his feet I'd imagine - Long works harder, better in the air and is used to the league and this - at the moment - is what RK is looking for tactically, which is another issue. I suspect that Juanmi will become more of an option as the weeks go on, hopefully if we look to play more creatively rather than directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregbarrett1984 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Haven't seen enough of him yet, will take a few games before I can say he has really Juanmi over...... ? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 He played for his national team. You don't play in Spain if you are not good. Why he doesen't get in before Long is a mistery. Long is just too similiar to Jay Rodriguez. We need a different look, more creative players than just the run behind the defense that RK seems to like too much. I didn't understand how RK expected to score yesteray. How can you score if the creative players are in the bench? I would like to see Tadic in the middle for example. Give him the NO 10 role, he needs more touches, instead of being isoloted in the wings. Let's get one thing completely straight here, Tadic has been nothing short of terrible for months now so why would he suddenly be amazing put in the middle again? Spends most of the time on his backside! The rest of the time avoiding the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo_ARG Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Let's get one thing completely straight here, Tadic has been nothing short of terrible for months now so why would he suddenly be amazing put in the middle again? Spends most of the time on his backside! The rest of the time avoiding the ball! Are you sure your are getting something straight here? Because you can't be terrible if you don't touch the ball. They don't give him the ball and he doesen't ask for it. That's on him obviously but also on the coach. Koeman is great at judging talent, but let's face it: he is not great at getting the most out of his players. And here is some on this that I wrote in other thread. It's as simple as putting players where they can succeed: Tadic lacks pace, what he has is great decision making. He doesen't loose the ball, just doesen't have it enough. He disapears from the game. He gets too isoleted on the wings. To me, he is a number 10. Right now we are expecting Mane or even Pelle give a killer pass to Long or Jay. There is no cohesion, just too many players trying to get forward in the middle and not one of them enjoys to give that last pass. Juanmi and Tadic can do that, that's what's missing. Pelle can flick the ball to the wings but when he has in on his feet he NEVER takes the right decision. Yesterday he had to players all alone to pass and insted played a long ball to nobody in particular. Mane is a bit a of a ball hog, he is not a passer, he is a finisher. His pace is better suited for the wings. He is at his best when he recieves a pass coming from the wing to the middle between the opposition RBs and CBs. Tadic should give him that pass. And of course, Clasie when healthy. But if I were RK I would sit with Tadic and give him confidence and put him in a position he can succeed. While he has a gret cross, I think he is a player who need to be in contact with the ball and has the ability to keep the ball with his dribble. He either need someone who can speak his language in the middle (maybe Juanmi because Mane isn't that player) or to be the no 10 himself. Juanmi could also give you more passing and better decision making. We won't now if he is always on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I agree Tadic could play in the no 10 role. I posted such early last season. He has the qualities to play it. Form is another matter but I think it's worth giving him a go. Only proviso, he'd need to move the ball a bit quicker sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 This lad has hardly got a look in yet despite all manner of squad rotation and different formations we've tried. Looks to have quality on the ball but also looks like a kid playing in a mans league physically speaking. Anyone else think Koeman may not fancy him much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 This lad has hardly got a look in yet despite all manner of squad rotation and different formations we've tried. Looks to have quality on the ball but also looks like a kid playing in a mans league physically speaking. Anyone else think Koeman may not fancy him much? I think we're in the process of developing him into Mane's replacement, and it's nice that we don't have to do that by chucking him in the deep end. I think he'll gradually get more game time in home matches as the season goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 This lad has hardly got a look in yet despite all manner of squad rotation and different formations we've tried. Looks to have quality on the ball but also looks like a kid playing in a mans league physically speaking. Anyone else think Koeman may not fancy him much? It's probably too early to draw any conclusions on your last point but when people debate whether this has been a good transfer window or not, there is a fair argument around whether we did enough to improve upon first team options. Juanmi, Martina and Caulker at this moment in time suggest not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 This lad has hardly got a look in yet despite all manner of squad rotation and different formations we've tried. Looks to have quality on the ball but also looks like a kid playing in a mans league physically speaking. Anyone else think Koeman may not fancy him much? Why have you jumped to that conclusion? He is just below Mane, Rodriguez, Tadic and Long in the pecking order. That doesn't automatically mean a manager doesn't think he is a good player a matter of weeks after signing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 (edited) Why have you jumped to that conclusion? He is just below Mane, Rodriguez, Tadic and Long in the pecking order. That doesn't automatically mean a manager doesn't think he is a good player a matter of weeks after signing him. I think that because of the following: 1. Hasn't started a game for the club yet. 2. Has only had cameo appearances at the tail end of games. 3. Other players selected of ahead of him in his preferred position (and not the natural position of those players selected ahead of him). Considering his frame there may be good period of acclimatisation required to the Premier League (and for him to go on that special 'diet' Ronaldo and Rafael did at Old Trafford), but that doesn't really explain his sporadic use considering the 'need' he reportedly fulfilled via signing. And you are right, I do think he is below Mane, Rodrguez, Tadic, and Long in the pecking order. I also think he is below JWP and Davis as well. I think he is well down the pecking order. And because of that I think Koeman doesn't fancy him much when as a new signing he is below the pecking order of six other first team players. EDIT: If Clasie is going to play as an AM (or rather, the furthest forward of the midfield three behind Pelle) as suggested then we can add him to the list too. Edited 3 September, 2015 by Lallana's Left Peg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Our next 20m+ player IMO. Looks technically great, think we are just bedding him in, plus we have a decent amount of talent up front at the moment making it hard for him to make the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 You might find that Juanmi hasn't played much as he isn't here to setup/work with Pelle. I have a feeling he will be deployed with either Long or JRod in games where they start. Just a feeling, nothing behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 I think at a time when Koeman is already forced into making numerous unwanted changes he'll be that much less likely to make more in areas he doesn't have to, or use players he doesn't yet know that well in a competitive environment for Saints. He's already picking newcomers Cedric/Martina because we sold Clyne, Romeu as we sold Schneiderlin, and Stekelenburg as Forster is injured - plus there are other changes with Targett/Yoshida/JWP for Bertrand/Alderweireld/Wanyama (hopefully temporarily). Even Rodriguez is a little bit of a gamble with the injury comeback and lay-off, but at least Koeman knows his ability in the Prem, so adding another new player into that mix at this point probably isn't a priority in a position where we have lots of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Anyone else think Koeman may not fancy him much? Would be odd if Koeman "did not fancy him" when he was brought in under his watch. Just not ready yet and currently not fitting into the set up we have been playing, he will get his chances as the season progresses and we settle down. He also probably needs to beef up a bit to cope with the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 I've been impressed with what I've seen, but disappointed that I haven't seen much of him. Seems to be being saved for the last ten minutes rather than the last 30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Play him in the cup game at MK Dons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Play him in the cup game at MK Dons. Yup, I'd be disappointed if he didn't. Need to get a good look at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 27 September, 2015 Share Posted 27 September, 2015 Can someone keep him away from Shoreditch ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 27 September, 2015 Share Posted 27 September, 2015 Can someone keep him away from Shoreditch ffs Cool guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 27 September, 2015 Share Posted 27 September, 2015 Can someone keep him away from Shoreditch ffs Hmmmmmm. Okay. Okay....... ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 28 September, 2015 Share Posted 28 September, 2015 FFS. Someone have a word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 28 September, 2015 Share Posted 28 September, 2015 FFS. Someone have a word FFS. Live and let live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 28 September, 2015 Share Posted 28 September, 2015 FFS. Live and let live. Worst Bond sequel ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 September, 2015 Share Posted 28 September, 2015 It's the on-the-pitch activities that we need to focus on, and those people who have so quickly criticised Juanmi ..(and Cedric and Martina) have obviously not watched much football outside of the Prem. ....or the "super stars" in the CL. Every Continental league has its own " style" of play, and even hard-bitten internationals don't always settle into a different set-up at Prem. clubs. (Falcoe, Giroud etc.) Juanmi and Cerdic (in particular) are young and still learning, and the more physical style in England is something they will need time to adapt to...... (Can't see Martina ever becoming a first choice starter, but I've seen many worse than him in a Saints' shirt....but what do you want for £1 million in this day and age.) When Juanmi finds his proper role in the set-up ....he may surprise a lot of us...given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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