niceandfriendly Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 A draw would be a spectacular result and one point closer to survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 A draw would be a spectacular result and one point closer to survival. Yes, although 3 points would settle everyone nerves. A defeat this early in the season could set the tone. In which case we could be happy to finish 17th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 -------------------Stek------------------- Cedric-Fonte-Caulker-Targett ---------Wanyama-----Romeu------- ----------------------Davis---------------- Tadic--------------------------Mane -----------------Pelle----------------- Mane will come in from the left, but with a more solid midfield they can cover him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Seriously? You'd drop Mane? I'd use the word "rest" rather than "drop" I'd like to see Jaunmi get a start and resting Mane and using him as an impact sub seems like a reasonable plan to me. I felt Mane was going through the motions at times last night so maybe not starting for one game might give him a bit of a jolt too. All that said, I expect Ron will start with him. He's probably a better manager than me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I'd use the word "rest" rather than "drop" I'd like to see Jaunmi get a start and resting Mane and using him as an impact sub seems like a reasonable plan to me. I felt Mane was going through the motions at times last night so maybe not starting for one game might give him a bit of a jolt too. All that said, I expect Ron will start with him. He's probably a better manager than me too We have to play our best team against one of our key rivals, this could be a 6 pointer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 We have to play our best team against one of our key rivals, this could be a 6 pointer. Oh our aching sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Sir Robin Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 (edited) we used to have all week to prepare for our league games, now we do not no real time to prepare for league games and little recovery time He makes a good point really. It's not about total number of games when you're in Europe, it's the short recovery and preparation time. But hey, we wanted to be in Europe and this is where we are - hoping we can stabilise quickly and get a settled team. We had no problem playing 2 games a week in league 1 and the championship. I'm not sure I buy the argument that Europe tires out English teams, I think it's more likely that they struggle with playing wildly differing styles of football in alternate games. We tried 2 styles in one game last night, so it at least looks like RK is determined to instill adaptivity into our squad. Back on topic though. I think they'll either try to park the bus and fail at it, as it's just not them, or they'll play to their strengths and go all out attack, in which case Wanyama and Mane in particular will tear them apart. I'm going for a 3-1 victory for Saints. Edited 21 August, 2015 by Brave Sir Robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 We had no problem playing 2 games a week in league 1 and the championship. I'm not sure I buy the argument that Europe tires out English teams, I think it's more likely that they struggle with playing wildly differing styles of football in alternate games. We tried 2 styles in one game last night, so it at least looks like RK is determined to instill adaptivity into our squad. Koeman has said on a couple of occasions that it's the inability to get on the training pitch and work through things they've identified from opponents. But the travel also impacts on fitness levels, how quickly injured players can recover, and longer journeys (which we've not had any of yet) will have a fatiguing effect as well. Also, the level of performance required in L1 and Championship is far lower than in the Prem week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2015 We had no problem playing 2 games a week in league 1 and the championship. I'm not sure I buy the argument that Europe tires out English teams, I think it's more likely that they struggle with playing wildly differing styles of football in alternate games. We tried 2 styles in one game last night, so it at least looks like RK is determined to instill adaptivity into our squad. Back on topic though. I think they'll either try to park the bus and fail at it, as it's just not them, or they'll play to their strengths and go all out attack, in which case Wanyama and Mane in particular will tear them apart. I'm going for a 3-1 victory for Saints. because neither league (for us) was as relentless as the premier league in league 1, we had by a mile, the best team let alone squad. in the NPC, we had a clutch of quality players, well above most in that league far from the case this season in the prem an away game in either league was not in another country. We imposed our game on other sides. Something we cant do in europe so much and the league I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 I am afraid we are going to be given a right bloody nose. Watford 4 Saints 0. We will be the talk of the media for the wrong reasons. TBH, I would take finishing 17th now, relegation is a real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 That is what they say about people who have seen ahead of the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 That is what they say about people who have seen ahead of the crowd. You've been wrong season after season and this one will be no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 That is what they say about people who have seen ahead of the crowd. If you keep on saying we'll come 17th or perhaps get relegated one season it will happen, you will be correct, and you will have "seen ahead of the crowd". Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 You've been wrong season after season and this one will be no different. Given the number of bites his bait gets each time its no surprise that he keeps it going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Given the number of bites he gets each time its no surprise that he keeps it going. Should be banned to be honest, it is just tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Should be banned to be honest, it is just tedious. I seem to recall he stopped a year or so ago on the back of a 'final warning' from the mods. Perhaps they're all on holiday at the moment...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Should be banned to be honest, it is just tedious. He's just playing to people's preconceptions. It's totally understandable. and normal on the interwebs. If we banned people for being tedious, there would be little to no forum left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Clearly will bring back Cedric, Tadic and Davis; I would prefer Caulker to Yoshida; Vic and Romeu in the middle surely? Then just who partners Pelle up front, Long I expect, his turn to start - always looks better to me as an impact sub e.g. Newcastle. 442. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 (edited) The Guardian gives us: ------Stekelenburg----------- ----Fonte-----Yoshida-------- -Soares-------------Martina-- --Davis--Wanyama---JWP-- -Tadic-----Pelle----Mane---- http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/21/watford-southampton-match-preview Edited 21 August, 2015 by Pass the Dutchie Too much Soares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 EThe Guardian gives us: ------Stekelenburg----------- ----Fonte-----Yoshida-------- -Soares-------------Martina-- --Davis--Wanyama---Soares-- -Tadic-----Pelle----Mane---- http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/21/watford-southampton-match-preview Cedric is going have to cover a lot of ground then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Fonte and Pelle appear to have missed training today. Cedric clearly has a very minor leg injury. Only 16 outfield players training, including Gaston. No youngsters other than JWP, Targett and Reed. I'm not reading anything into this, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Fonte and Pelle appear to have missed training today. Cedric clearly has a very minor leg injury. Only 16 outfield players training, including Gaston. No youngsters other than JWP, Targett and Reed. I'm not reading anything into this, just saying. Wouldn't have imagined they'd train the day after the game, they'll train tomorrow I expect. Koeman said ''no injuries.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Wouldn't have imagined they'd train the day after the game, they'll train tomorrow I expect. Koeman said ''no injuries.'' Well they did. It wasn't a discussion point. Gallery on os/twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Fonte did also get a heavy knock towards the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 Well they did. It wasn't a discussion point. Gallery on os/twitter. Huh? You said Fonte and Pelle appear to have missed training, so I said it's unlikely that they'd have trained straight after that game - especially as they've played 90mins in every game so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintStinger Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 We'll thump Watford. I can feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 We have to play our best team against one of our key rivals, this could be a 6 pointer. Do you type these out each time or copy and paste from previous posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 August, 2015 Share Posted 21 August, 2015 You've been wrong season after season and this one will be no different. If you keep on saying we'll come 17th or perhaps get relegated one season it will happen, you will be correct, and you will have "seen ahead of the crowd". Excellent. It isn't about being right or wrong for him, it's purely about attention. There is no point trying to argue with him because he genuinely could not care less if he is right. As long as people are paying attention to him, that's all he needs. I kind of feel sorry for him that he has to resort to such sad behavior for people to pay attention to his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Not confident at all, our defence really worries me. If Fonte's out, we are looking at a heavy defeat. Watford 3-1 Saints Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Not confident at all, our defence really worries me. If Fonte's out, we are looking at a heavy defeat. Watford 3-1 Saints Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk If Fonte is out, then we really are in trouble. What are the details ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Is Fonte out? if so, Europe not looking so appealing after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Is Fonte out? if so, Europe not looking so appealing after all That is the reality of playing in Europe with a squad that does not have the depth of quality of the likes of Manure, City and Chelski. Is the Europa worth even one single defeat in the EPL ? Nope IMO. Plus, I think we have a fight on our hands this year to keep clear of trouble at the wrong end of the table, but I am probably worrying unduly and in fact attention seeking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2015 That is the reality of playing in Europe with a squad that does not have the depth of quality of the likes of Manure, City and Chelski. Is the Europa worth even one single defeat in the EPL ? Nope IMO. Plus, I think we have a fight on our hands this year to keep clear of trouble at the wrong end of the table, but I am probably worrying unduly and in fact attention seeking. Koeman has already said a few times that we have little time to prepare for league games and almost no recovery time compared to last season. I really believe we will struggle in the league until we are out of europe and then pick up some form. very much like everton last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Is Fonte out? if so, Europe not looking so appealing after all Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan. Players get injured all the time. So what, we might finish a few places lower in the league because of some extra games? Europe seems more appealing than ever and reaching the group stages would be a great achievement for the club. Go and ask the players if they'd rather play Europa games or not, judging from interviews the answer is an overwhelming "yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I would go for a more solid team for this one. ----------------------------------Stek------------------------------- Cedric---------------Fonte--------Caulker-----------Yoshi --------------------Vic--------------Romeu------------------ Davis---------------------JWP-----------------------Mane ------------------------------Pelle------------------------- If Fonte and Pelle are injured then swap Targett in and move Yoshida and start with Long or Juanmi up front. A draw won't be a bad result if we beat Norwich next weekend but that team still has a goal or two in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Is Fonte out? if so, Europe not looking so appealing after all Who said he was out? Koeman said no injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I'd hope the team is this: ---------------------Stek-------------------- Cedric------Fonte--------Caulker------Targett ------------Romelu------Wanyama------------ ------------------Juanmi----------------------- ---Mane--------------------------JRod-------- ------------------Pelle------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I'd hope the team is this: ---------------------Stek-------------------- Cedric------Fonte--------Caulker------Targett ------------Romelu------Wanyama------------ ------------------Juanmi----------------------- ---Mane--------------------------JRod-------- ------------------Pelle------------------------- Not learning from previous games then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Huh? You said Fonte and Pelle appear to have missed training, so I said it's unlikely that they'd have trained straight after that game - especially as they've played 90mins in every game so far this season. So why did everyone else train? No-one has said they are injured or unavailable, just merely pointing out that 2 players apparently missed training yesterday. Why specifically would Fonte and Pelle not train, if anyone I would have not been suprised at Yoshida, he was knackered with all the running he did on Thursday playing at RB instead of CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 If Fonte is out, then we really are in trouble. What are the details ? Well Fonte has hardly covered himself in glory so far either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 The good old days of crap defences and a reliable finisher. https://amp.twimg.com/v/81a72072-3266-4f56-a178-d764dcd58a9f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I'd hope the team is this: ---------------------Stek-------------------- Cedric------Fonte--------Caulker------Targett ------------Romelu------Wanyama------------ ------------------Juanmi----------------------- ---Mane--------------------------JRod-------- ------------------Pelle------------------------- Not learning from previous games then? Literally have no idea what would not have been learned from previous games by picking this side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 So why did everyone else train? No-one has said they are injured or unavailable, just merely pointing out that 2 players apparently missed training yesterday. Why specifically would Fonte and Pelle not train, if anyone I would have not been suprised at Yoshida, he was knackered with all the running he did on Thursday playing at RB instead of CB. They are two of our older players and they're also two of our most essential players who've played every minute, they may need different recovery schedules to the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 They are two of our older players and they're also two of our most essential players who've played every minute, they may need different recovery schedules to the others. Could be. Possible excuses why Fonte and Pelle might have missed training. Hasn't Vic played every minute as well? Yesterday's session was all about recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Could be. Possible excuses why Fonte and Pelle might have missed training. Hasn't Vic played every minute as well? Yesterday's session was all about recovery. Wanyama is about 5 years younger than the others too. Different recovery plans seems the most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Literally have no idea what would not have been learned from previous games by picking this side. FFS, not again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Wanyama is about 5 years younger than the others too. Different recovery plans seems the most likely. LOL. You don't give up do you. I'm sure both will play tomorrow but its quite funny when people find any excuse to avoid seeing that there might (just might) be a problem. It maybe that Pelle just had a previous appointment with the hairdresser to apply more gel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 LOL. You don't give up do you. The9's points seem perfectly reasonable, especially when everything is scientific as it is these days. I can assure you that even in my team almost at the bottom of the football pyramid the older player has a different warm-up routine to the kids.;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 The9's points seem perfectly reasonable, especially when everything is scientific as it is these days. I can assure you that even in my team almost at the bottom of the football pyramid the older player has a different warm-up routine to the kids.;-) Maybe, I don't have an issue, and its not a warm-up session its a recover session the the day after the game. Its just funny when people scrabble around to try to justify something that really isn't very important and come up with new excuses. I have never ever seen Saints rest their "old" players from a recovery training session. All I did was point out that these 2 players were not training, s-clarke then implied that I was lying in even suggesting the team had trained (despite evidence that showed they did), then tried to change his argument that only the 2 of them were not training, then No9 chimes in with it being because they are so old and knackered that they probably got excused from the recovery session. My own view is that Pelle was probably at the hairdressers getting another layer of gel applied and Fonte was house hunting in Birmingham or looking for a care home vacancy because he is so old If its the latter I can probably help him, there is a room next to mine that is vacant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 FFS, not again. Well at least you recognised it was the same argument. Did you see the breakdown of the Midtjylland match I did which showed that we're still playing the same 4-2-3-1 in the same way - except that Rodriguez played in the hole against them, and we didn't have any defensive problems caused by the AMs because we had Romeu and Wanyama shielding? Not sure formation is the problem with Targett trying to catch out the rest of the defence by crossing the ball for Midtjylland, Fonte nodding it directly to Sparv, or Caulker repeatedly heading directly to their players 40 yards from goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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