Pastor Patrón Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 You are of course quite right (and I've had a bit of a rant). Doubt Les at your peril, he has always pulled rabbits out of hats for us. I don't think this season will be the same. Bournemouth are above us in the table, we have the best academy in the country making Les' job a hell of a lot easier too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 The amount of over emotional tosh on this thread is proper cringe. Seriously, you'll all look back at this in a few weeks and feel quite silly for being so OTT. Smugness personified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Won't believe it until Simon Jones in the Mail posts a story up And here it is.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html Unsettled and unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 And we thought last summer was bad....I give up with poxy overpaid players,the agents,the media....the club itself for ripping us off eft right and centre. **** you sky Sports and all that Is Premier League Football. Bring back the days of Boyer,Watson,Channon, Moran,...when footie was for the fans. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Simon Jones another fully paid member of the Spurs PR media department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Smugness personified bad mood tonight Duncan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 There was one on Thursday that annoyed me. JWP was open for a short pass and Victor chose instead to drive the ball out to the left wing and into the crowd. JWP was not impressed. Nothing like as unimpressed as Pelle was every time Rodriguez didn't pass to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Talk English Is that the made up radio station he is a regular guest on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Should we bother keeping players who don't want to play for the club? With Morgan it was maybe a little different because of the history he had with us. Would rather have players who want to be here rather than one going through the motions until leaving next summer. Trouble is, for all this stuff about 'we don't want players to leave' and 'we should force them to stay' and whatnot, we actually...erm...shouldn't want to do that. You want to be a good stepping-stone option for up-and-coming players. If we sell Mane for £25Mn for instance, we'll have essentially been paid £15Mn to have him play for us for a season. Whilst it might hurt your pride when they leave you don't want to stop that from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Simon Jones another fully paid member of the Spurs PR media department. As well as being a Man U obsequious and sycophantic toady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 The amount of over emotional tosh on this thread is proper cringe. Seriously, you'll all look back at this in a few weeks and feel quite silly for being so OTT. It's almost as cringeworthy as the use of "cringe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 And here it is.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html Unsettled and unhappy. It reads like he just doesn't want to sign a contract extension. I never thought he would so that's fine. Sold next summer, I think. So no change to what kits expected to happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 And here it is.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html Unsettled and unhappy. jesus, that article is just littered with a few "facts" like the burglary mixed in with some real nonsense. Dropped three times by Koeman ? Ok, umm, didn't Pochettino leave him out at the end of the previous season a hell of a lot more when Cork couldn't be dropped ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 And here it is.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html Unsettled and unhappy. I've just read that, the bit where he was "picked regularly under Pochettino but dropped 3 times by Koeman" is so transparent (and such absolute cobblers) it's embarrassing to read. Played 20 matches in 2013/14 under Pochettino. Played 32 matches in 2014/15 under Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 if we can get 20 millfor him then let him go... i imagine he can spit the dummy with the best if them!, good player but 20 mill should get us a decent replacement, certainly not like losing spider!, if he wants out strip him of the shirt and send him on his way. footballers are now refering to the game as a business, i can remember when they used just loved having a chance to play the game they love..............thanks Rupert Murdoch you Clunt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 It reads like he just doesn't want to sign a contract extension. I never thought he would so that's fine. Sold next summer, I think. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 And we thought last summer was bad....I give up with poxy overpaid players,the agents,the media....the club itself for ripping us off eft right and centre. **** you sky Sports and all that Is Premier League Football. Bring back the days of Boyer,Watson,Channon, Moran,...when footie was for the fans. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Mm.m....nothing changes though does it? Channon was lured to move to Citeh and Malcolm Allison's superteam for more £ and the promise of winning the league. Of course the "superteam" tanked and he came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 This clearly has 100% come from Spurs. What will SFC do about it ? I would imagine we'll pick Wanyama tomorrow and reiterate that no-one will be sold - this time having told all of the players when they're allowed to leave first. My 2016 summer hit-list is Wanyama, Fonte, Mane, Rodriguez and possibly Pelle and Cedric, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Basically we have to build a new team every season. Good luck to the Managers doing that every year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I would imagine we'll pick Wanyama tomorrow and reiterate that no-one will be sold - this time having told all of the players when they're allowed to leave first. My 2016 summer hit-list is Wanyama, Fonte, Mane, Rodriguez and possibly Pelle and Cedric, FWIW. Fonte will be nearly 33 next summer, Pelle will be 31/32 so no big clubs will want them, Cedric doesn't look to be anywhere good enough for the top four yet, Jay Rod will still have three years on his contract leaving Mane and Wanyama from your list, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Basically we have to build a new team every season. Good luck to the Managers doing that every year! Not quite. We need to let a manager build "his" team and then try and keep the manager for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 if we can get 20 millfor him then let him go... i imagine he can spit the dummy with the best if them!, good player but 20 mill should get us a decent replacement Therein lies the problem, £20 mill would buy a very decent replacement but I suspect the reality would be that the "black box" throws up a £5milluon replacement and the rest goes in Kat's pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Not quite. We need to let a manager build "his" team and then try and keep the manager for a few years. But unfortunately, managers are like players and will easily have their heads turned by larger, richer clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Therein lies the problem, £20 mill would buy a very decent replacement but I suspect the reality would be that the "black box" throws up a £5milluon replacement and the rest goes in Kat's pocket. Can someone who has actually gone through the accounts released in the past few years shed any light on whether the owner has actually taken any money out of the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I would imagine we'll pick Wanyama tomorrow and reiterate that no-one will be sold - this time having told all of the players when they're allowed to leave first. My 2016 summer hit-list is Wanyama, Fonte, Mane, Rodriguez and possibly Pelle and Cedric, FWIW. When will it end eh. Not aimed at you the9, Is our grand scheme to continue on this path making big money off our players and hoping to replace this and repeat while maintaining a 6 to 10 ish league position And after X amount of years accumulated enough resource to become an elite club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Basically we have to build a new team every season. Good luck to the Managers doing that every year! Which part of Sustainable club did everyone not understand? This is how the world works now. Don't like it but it is reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Can someone who has actually gone through the accounts released in the past few years shed any light on whether the owner has actually taken any money out of the club? Good question. I've wondered that myself, as far as I can see all the Liebherrs have done is to put money in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I hope she has taken money out, whether as a loan repayment or as a dividend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Given the money in for player sales + the sky TV bonanza, and that we've been quite thrifty in buying compared to other teams, we should be ££££s in. She should be getting her money back whilst she can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Which part of Sustainable club did everyone not understand? This is how the world works now. Don't like it but it is reality. What are our running costs if we have to sell so much so often given the TV money and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html According to this: - Wanyama has been unhappy for a while - His home being burgled further unsettled him - Doesn't feel his contribution is appreciated enough by the club - RK dropping him 3 times last season led him to "question his role in the team" under Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Big deal if he goes.. Can't see the problem as we would just replace him like we have done with everyone else. We are a selling club.. Buy cheap sell for lots, rinse and repeat Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Fonte will be nearly 33 next summer, Pelle will be 31/32 so no big clubs will want them, Cedric doesn't look to be anywhere good enough for the top four yet, Jay Rod will still have three years on his contract leaving Mane and Wanyama from your list, IMHO. So apart from Fonte being in demand and probably wanting a last big contract, Pelle being younger and a lot more mobile than Lambert was when Liverpool signed him, no-one in history ever having left a club mid-contract, and the possibility of the bloke we spent ages tracking to replace Clyne being as good as he's looked in pre-season, we're still only losing two of our best players. Ok then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html According to this: - Wanyama has been unhappy for a while - His home being burgled further unsettled him - Doesn't feel his contribution is appreciated enough by the club - RK dropping him 3 times last season led him to "question his role in the team" under Koeman. Already been linked and laughed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickierambert Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 At what stage does transfer media conduct become tapping up/subject to libel law? I'm not saying Saints are innocent of it, but I'm absolutely fed up with clubs making up any old story to unsettle a player. If this happened in many industries, there'd be fines/legal challenges. This is irrespective of whether Wanyama wants to go or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 What are our running costs if we have to sell so much so often given the TV money and all that The massive cost of having a full squad of professional footballers for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Another thread where posters think that the owner is seeking to extract cash from the business..... The general concensus on Markus Liebherr's wealth was that he was worth circa €2.5bn - I have it on decent authority that our secretive Swiss based saviour was worth significantly MORE than that figure, but that matters not as we don't know how his estate was distributed and what share, KL, the benefactor of SFC got. My understanding is that KL has never drawn money out of SFC. In fact she has bankrolled the training centre and paid back the (un-sanctioned) Vibrac loan. There is a huge difference between running a sustainable business and asset stripping, you would have thought that last summer would have taught that lesson. If we sell players it is because it is good business, not because we have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Therein lies the problem, £20 mill would buy a very decent replacement but I suspect the reality would be that the "black box" throws up a £5milluon replacement and the rest goes in Kat's pocket. Absolute idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Nothing to worry about. It's just Spurs stirring. We're moaning on here about bringing in quality, they've had a massive struggle bringing in players. Toby was the only one who was on their first choice of targets. Although when I heard who they missed out on it's not difficult to see why. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Please share for comedy value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 I think big Vic would be a huge loss this summer - on top of already losing Morgan. It's imperative he stays - at least until next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Absolute idiocy. Whilst being absolutely disrespectful to a family we owe so much to. But it won't stop fans crying because they want ''More, More, More, More!!!!'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 When will it end eh. Not aimed at you the9, Is our grand scheme to continue on this path making big money off our players and hoping to replace this and repeat while maintaining a 6 to 10 ish league position And after X amount of years accumulated enough resource to become an elite club? Our grand scheme is to be the best of the sides not in the Champions League, whilst recruiting relatively cheap players with a promising upside, selling developed players at a profit and using the balance between wages, tv money and player sales to maintain the club's infrastructure and playing side sustainably, I should think. Which means we'll always have lots of potential replacements in mind, but you can't expect us to be 100% successful and sometimes we'll have periods when our depth level is exposed by injury and suspensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 So apart from Fonte being in demand and probably wanting a last big contract, Pelle being younger and a lot more mobile than Lambert was when Liverpool signed him, no-one in history ever having left a club mid-contract, and the possibility of the bloke we spent ages tracking to replace Clyne being as good as he's looked in pre-season, we're still only losing two of our best players. Ok then. Fonte's not going anywhere next year IMHO. He'll turn into a Kelvin Davis type character and stay on at the club. I can't say that I've seen much of Fonte being in demand by a top 4 club to be honest. Pelle will stay at the club while Koeman is here, i.e. the end of the 2016/17 season by then it's likely that we'd be happy to let him go. It's obvious that the Liverpool move was wrong for Lambert so why would Pelle want to do the same thing. I agree with the opinion that Wanyama and Mane will be next seasons departures, in the same way it was obvious that Schneiderlein, Clyne and Alderweireld were going to this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Basically we have to build a new team every season. Good luck to the Managers doing that every year! No because at some point the constant removal of good players will leave us with no one worth buying at which point the big boys will move on to Swansea or Stoke or something just need to drop down to a regular 16th placed team to be able to keep (most of our) players I bet Sunderland fans are ecstatic that no one wants to constantly buy all their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Our grand scheme is to be the best of the sides not in the Champions League, whilst recruiting relatively cheap players with a promising upside, selling developed players at a profit and using the balance between wages, tv money and player sales to maintain the club's infrastructure and playing side sustainably, I should think. Which means we'll always have lots of potential replacements in mind, but you can't expect us to be 100% successful and sometimes we'll have periods when our depth level is exposed by injury and suspensions. And to be fair, it's the only way a club like ourselves can compete. We have to be clever and buy potential or take a gamble on a 'big name' who hasn't quite made it, we can't buy the finished product. Although we can make the finished product for other clubs it seems. But I still surprises me how people don't understand this. They seem to assume that because our billionaire's family are rich, that we can keep all our players and buy lots of expensive players. That's never going to be the case. The policy we deploy will have peaks and troughs, but it's what gives us the best chance to compete, whilst not totally screwing ourselves financially. I'll await the ''Well, Nicola didn't have that thought!!'' - well no, he didn't. He also assumed that because our billionaire's family are rich, that he can go out their and splash stupid money around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Good question. I've wondered that myself, as far as I can see all the Liebherrs have done is to put money in. Yes but not enough for some deluded fans who seem to think she should be pouring every penny she owns into marquee signings for regular CL football (despite FFP)................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Not quite. We need to let a manager build "his" team and then try and keep the manager for a few years. So just Wanyama, Rodriguez, Davis, JWP and Fonte to go and then Koeman will really be able to call it "his team". Mane counts as Koemans team so when he leaves it will be a bit of dent in his team building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 It reads like he just doesn't want to sign a contract extension. I never thought he would so that's fine. Sold next summer, I think. So no change to what kits expected to happen anyway. How I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 When will it end eh. Not aimed at you the9, Is our grand scheme to continue on this path making big money off our players and hoping to replace this and repeat while maintaining a 6 to 10 ish league position And after X amount of years accumulated enough resource to become an elite club? That or Les and co do very nicely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 22 August, 2015 Share Posted 22 August, 2015 Absolute idiocy. Sounds pretty accurate to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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