BotleySaint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Just can't see us coming back to get anything. Such a disappointing game. Today we are showing the missing £25-30 million of quality we've lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Not good. Wanyama can't do it all himself, Davis is no help at DM which is not feasible if you line up with 4 out and out attackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 This is what happens when you let 3 of our defensive side go. Board ****ed up. Clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Romeu on fo Davis surely? Yep, has to be. Davis had a good game last week but he's not the right man to be protecting the back four today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 At the harbour waiting to get on the boat to France....glad I don't have to watch the 2nd half or read the meltdown on here that is sure to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 This is what happens when you let 3 of our defensive side go. Board ****ed up. We sold clyne, who else did we let go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Any team with pace is going to look at Saints defence and midfield with quite a bit of anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Davis should be central AM, Tadic and Mane cant play that role else they are always miles out of position. We need to go a 4-3-3 if RK wants to play Mane, Pelle and Long, but he's trying to shoe horn strikers into wide midfielders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Holes in the midfield I agree with and we are looking lightweight but, perhaps more concerning, is that to a man we have not looked good. Pelle, has battled, Tadic has put in one or two decent balls ... other then that I'm stumped for positives other then hopefully the players come out fired up for the second half and we can make a game of it! We get a goal early doors and it may unsettle Everton a little. Everton have not looked brilliant but have crowded out the space in front of the cbs well and counter attacked superbly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 You can't sell top quality players every year, replace them on the cheap with "highly rated" players from Europe and constantly get away with it. It worked last year, doesn't look like it has this year (or at least not yet). We are starting the season without an on the pitch replacement for Toby or Morgan and it shows (yes I know Clasie is injured). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 At the game. We are getting utterly teabagged. I did warn you all, but was shouted down for pointing out that our replacements are well below par. This could end 4 or 5-0. They're passing it through our midfield utterly effortlessly. At least now that he hasn't got MS to babysit him the garbage about Steven Davis being anything above bang average should die out. Especially as he hasnt won a single 50/50 so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Yep, has to be. Davis had a good game last week but he's not the right man to be protecting the back four today. That won't help. The attacking players aren't tracking back enough. Need to take off long or mane and push davis back into AM where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Frankly, it's an almost arrogant (for lack of a better word) line-up, perhaps based on our performances last season with this formation. Certainly a reality check - Davis & Wanyama cannot cope in a 2 man midfield, period. With Yoshida and Targett behind, why not opt for Caution to begin with for Christ's sake (I.e. 3CMs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Reminds me of that West Brom game from a couple of seasons ago. We just seem to have no answer to their running power in attack - Lukaku & Barkley seem untouchable. We've also been typically indecisive in attack, with the usual suspects moving the ball far too slowly & always looking to push it wide with no variation (compare how many times Everton have already attacked centrally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 I feared this when I saw the line-ups. I don't understand why Romeu didn't start. Hopefully he'll be on in the second half. This is the worst Saints performance I've seen in a good few years. As others have said, it's going to be a very long season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 I can't believe Ron has got the formation this wrong again like last week. The gaping holes in the midfield are there for all to see. Long has offered nothing so far today. He shouldn't have started IMO - should have been Reed or JWP to give better protection to the defence. I'm with you on this. Last week was a warning but Ron doesn't seem to have taken any notice. Today falls squarely at RK's feet I'm sorry to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 A little perspective, guys. It's bad, and I agree our midfield way underpowered. But there are always two teams involved. Everton have been excellent, really excellent. It's not over yet, either. A goal in the first 15 mins of second half, and we can still win it. Let's see how Koeman reshapes. And, if you want a silver lining, this will confirm club's determination to buy before deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Too right, they should've just locked them up and refused to let them go... even the one we didn't own. Thought we had first option to buy him? How did that turn out? And I stand by what I said. If you let key elements of your defence leave you are going to be weaker. It should of been worse if it wasn't for the save from Barkley. We could of said no to selling them couldn't we? Or is it a case of letting players do what they want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 "Targett should be in that position, davis on the edge of the box and cedric on the other side" So no-one in the middle then you morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 At the game. We are getting utterly teabagged. I did warn you all, but was shouted down for pointing out that our replacements are well below par. This could end 4 or 5-0. They're passing it through our midfield utterly effortlessly. At least now that he hasn't got MS to babysit him the garbage about Steven Davis being anything above bang average should die out. Especially as he hasnt won a single 50/50 so far Ross Barclay running the show. Midfield utterly invisible and the fullbacks looking really poor defensively. Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Players may have been poor first half but i've got to say Koeman has got it wrong this time and needs to take a fair bit of the blame. Davis just can't play that defensive midfield position properly - doesn't give enough cover defensively and can't go forward as much as he needs to hold his position. Obviously hasn't learnt from the Newcastle goal last week leading to us being caught on the break from our own corner again. Long might as well not be on the pitch for all he's done which again has left Targett exposed. Not sure what we're trying to do in terms of attacking tactics either. Don't seem to be getting too much down the wings via long or Tadic but likewise Mane not really dropping off in the centre to link up play meaning there's a lot of long balls to Pelle up front. Just look so unbalanced. Stick Reed or Romeu next to Wanyama and get Long off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Much as I like Long, he is far more effective coming on as a sub rather than when he starts,Starting Long and pushing Davis back hasn't worked. Would have preferred Reed or even Ward-Prowse to start alongside Wanyama today, which would allow Davis to play further forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 It's almost like Koeman didn't see the game last week and decided a team that is unbalanced and creates enough space in the midfield for the opposition to drive a bus through could work. We've got what we have deserved. However, independent of shape, balance, and tactics, what on earth is going on with our passing - this is the third game in a row now where it has been absolutely shocking. As bad as it has been since we've been back in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Unfair on Targett. He's completely unprotected from midfield. Cedric's really dismal defensively. Koeman's got one hell of a job to do shoring up our defense. How are well going to cope with injuries once the games come in thick and fast. Kind of feel the Europa hoodoo has struck early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 £28 million striker there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Where the **** did Targett go for that first goal? He should be nowhere near the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Davis can't play the Schneiderlin role, put this new guy on FFS A big ask when he joined midweek though. Shouldn't have taken until mid-August to get CM and DC sorted though, Juanmi is a nice bonus signing but in an area where we already had some depth and we've barely used him yet. Just poor all-round today and easily worst performance since Ronald joined, can only assume the injury has taken his eye off the ball temporarily. He's been let down by Davis,Tadic, Soares, Long though, all have been pathetic, particularly Tadic who I'd haul off. Fair play to Everton for the execution on the first counter but the second has been made far too easy. Need another beast in the CM area to accompany Victor and loan out some of the powder puff - JWP, Tadic. Won't criticise the CBs - other than Fonte's recommendation on Cedric - because the full backs are so poor they are constantly having to pull across and organise them. Roll on Bertrand returning but get Martina on for powder-puff Cedric because whatever his limitations, at least he'll make some effort at defending. Reed on for Tadic as well, would sub Long but we're 2 down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 I fully expected to never, ever be fu cking two nil down at half time in any game ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Frankly, it's an almost arrogant (for lack of a better word) line-up, perhaps based on our performances last season with this formation. Certainly a reality check - Davis & Wanyama cannot cope in a 2 man midfield, period. With Yoshida and Targett behind, why not opt for Caution to begin with for Christ's sake (I.e. 3CMs). +1, we have given Everton very little respect with this lineup. On the plus side home and away against Everton will have little baring on our season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-camo Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Nowhere near the quality of last seasons team yet, need to stop messing about with the CB situation. Our midfield is also offering close to no protection atm, and is Clasie really the player to put a stop to that? Hopefully we bring on Romeu for tadic or davis and hope we can scrap for a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 What it reminds me of is that initial Prem period under Adkins when we tried playing Schneiderlin and Davis in the holding MF role.. once Cork came back from injury it turned around, and allowed Davis to go more forward. I'm concerned that Victor is often up ahead of Davis today. That just doesn't seem right. Of course we had Jos and Fox playing back then, so there's no real comparison. Victor does seem both alone and too far forward though. Just made me think how Davis wasn't a holding midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziz Yebda Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Time for Koeman to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 We were NEVER outplayed before. Not ever ever. Leicester City 01 Schmeichel 27 Wasilewski Booked 14 Huth 05 Morgan 11 Albrighton 08 James (Drinkwater - 13' ) 19 Cambiasso 15 Schlupp 26 Mahrez 23 Ulloa (Hammond - 78' ) 09 Vardy (Nugent - 70' ) Southampton 25 Gazzaniga 02 Clyne 06 Fonte 17 Alderweireld 21 Bertrand 28 Reed 12 Wanyama 08 Davis (Djuricic - 66' ) 10 Mané 22 Elia (Long - 66' ) 19 Pellè Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 No protection for our full backs again today Long keeps drifting in to the middle and no one moves over to cover leaving targett exposed time and again targett is getting turned inside out. Get the new bloke on and move Davis over to the left. Cedric isn't getting much from Tadic either watching him trying to stop Luakuku earlier for the first goal was like watching a small animal trying stop a bulldozer. Also second game in a row when we've conceded from us having a corner getting done with a quick counter attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Ross Barclay running the show. Midfield utterly invisible and the fullbacks looking really poor defensively. Oh well Don't think you can blame the full backs. Getting no protection from the wide midfielders. Davis is no Schniederlin either, so once Everton break there are massive gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 If only Morgan were in the side. And Toby. And Clyne! We'd have one the league already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 A big ask when he joined midweek though. Shouldn't have taken until mid-August to get CM and DC sorted though, Juanmi is a nice bonus signing but in an area where we already had some depth and we've barely used him yet. Just poor all-round today and easily worst performance since Ronald joined, can only assume the injury has taken his eye off the ball temporarily. He's been let down by Davis,Tadic, Soares, Long though, all have been pathetic, particularly Tadic who I'd haul off. Fair play to Everton for the execution on the first counter but the second has been made far too easy. Need another beast in the CM area to accompany Victor and loan out some of the powder puff - JWP, Tadic. Won't criticise the CBs - other than Fonte's recommendation on Cedric - because the full backs are so poor they are constantly having to pull across and organise them. Roll on Bertrand returning but get Martina on for powder-puff Cedric because whatever his limitations, at least he'll make some effort at defending. Reed on for Tadic as well, would sub Long but we're 2 down. Good summary. Wide open through midfield - full backs look shaky and indifferent performances from Tadic and Long - who is better suited as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Time for Koeman to leave Done deal, I heard!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Fantastic sub there. Exactly what was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Romeu on for Tadic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakkoUK Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 See I still don't see how Virgil Van Dijk is the answer, nor is Clasie. I'm still under the belief they will be below par, in the aspect of continuing our strive forward that is and improving or maintaining what we did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Romeo on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Except no one has said any of this. Caulker is cover for Gardos and Clasie is not Morgan's replacement. You're just another whining sap who has not been paying attention. Sadly fry, you are about the biggest mong on here these days There are pages of threads to read through which have ample quotes to the above effect. If you can't handle that the club's summer could have been better i suggest you put the keyboard down. There is still 45min to go and time for Big Ron to turn this around. Calm down, stop insulting fellow (i query that with you) fans for a change and support the team maybe? All it needs is an early goal and for us to stop over committing the fullbacks quite so much as we are clearly wide open to the counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Targett survives for the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Romeu on for Tadic Davis pushes forward filling the gap in AM where we were picking up zero loose balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 15 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Tadic off, Romeu on, for me. Called it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Also second game in a row when we've conceded from us having a corner getting done with a quick counter attack. Not just two games in a row but almost twice today. Targett's booking - before the goal - came after Davis failed to clear the front defender with his corner. Yet again. The Romeu introduction shows that RK realizes he got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 At least now that he hasn't got MS to babysit him the garbage about Steven Davis being anything above bang average should die out. Especially as he hasnt won a single 50/50 so far I was expecting some hysteria on here, but bloody hell. Not watching the game but seen the goals - really poor defending for both. Romeu for Tadic is the right substitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 I reckon the meltdowns should wait til the end of the game!!! At least give RK to try and change things at HT!! Its along season and there will be days like this! Ryan and Jordi to come back. VVD hopefully in, Jay to get back to fitness. Time to support and keep it real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 15 August, 2015 Share Posted 15 August, 2015 Good start by Romeu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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