Lawrie Mac interview

[Frank's cousin]

Agree with a lot of that. But FC the most important point you make is in bold. A man who loses the faith of so many people over such a period time can only do that through negligence, ineptude, inability, poor salesmanship, poor media profiling, arrogance... the list goes on.

 

Lowe has done all that in spades and is therefore NOT TRUSTED and ASSOCIATED WITH FAILURE.

 

Whether he is right or not this time is no longer relevant, he is regarded as a loser, he disunites the Club (internally with employees both within SMS and in the team AND externally), he interfers with team business AND IS ACTING AS A DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL a job he is not qualified to do, he has presided over the fall of this club and his policies (money driven or not) are leading us VERY rapidly into League 2 - not 1 - League 2.

 

Now, money or not... tell us where else a man who is as divisive and mistrusted leads a serious plc or any other business? I'm sorry, but confidence breeds success. Whether Lowe is good or not is now irrelevant, he is failing on a well established reputation for being a poor chairman.

 

I really do not understand why people think only Lowe can lead us out of this financial mess. Frankly we could employ a CEO who has more experience on a lower salary to handle the finances and still achieve the same result... but with unity.

 

Lowe is a cancer, the plc he represents is a cancer, Saints have been mismanaged by those connected to it for 14 odd years with only further relegation(s) to look forward to.

 

Lowe is not needed any longer... in any capacity. Nor are our shareholders. Time to delist and do a Sheffield Utd - Delist for the good of the Club. Delist and rebuild with new leadership.

 

Lowe HAS to leave for good - whether he's a genius or not, there if absolutely NO confidence in him apart from with the major shareholders who may - inadvertently or not - be stitching him up.

 

This is the classic problem though - yes there are many that could the job far far better and I dont think even the most ardent lowe loyalist - of whom there can be but a handful, would argue against that. Ther are plenty of merits to delisting s there are to being a PLC - and ultimately I dont think it matters as I dont think we would give a flying feck about being a PLC if we had success under it and under those that were in charge.

 

I welcome ANY cahnge that sees improvement or provides a greater opportunity for progress and sound management - however, what I fail to see is how 'wishing' or protesting for change, helps in any way - we lose money as folk stay away, we are forced to sell again, the results get worse, more stay away and the downward spiral continues - and no one is interested in coming forward with cash to change this.

 

If there is someone interested who has money but does simply not want to spend 8 mil of it buying shares, and is waiting to pick us up on the cheap from teh ashes of administration, then sorry, but that sort of scavenger we can do without - for if they are genuine fans, not more bloody 'talkers' then tehy would help now, in the hour of greatest need. Waiting to pick up the pices of a shattered club so you can get it on the cheap is surely the most selfish act a chairman could make - and yet some seem to believe this is the only way...

[SaintRobbie]

This is the classic problem though - yes there are many that could the job far far better and I dont think even the most ardent lowe loyalist - of whom there can be but a handful, would argue against that. Ther are plenty of merits to delisting s there are to being a PLC - and ultimately I dont think it matters as I dont think we would give a flying feck about being a PLC if we had success under it and under those that were in charge.

 

I welcome ANY cahnge that sees improvement or provides a greater opportunity for progress and sound management - however, what I fail to see is how 'wishing' or protesting for change, helps in any way - we lose money as folk stay away, we are forced to sell again, the results get worse, more stay away and the downward spiral continues - and no one is interested in coming forward with cash to change this.

 

If there is someone interested who has money but does simply not want to spend 8 mil of it buying shares, and is waiting to pick us up on the cheap from teh ashes of administration, then sorry, but that sort of scavenger we can do without - for if they are genuine fans, not more bloody 'talkers' then tehy would help now, in the hour of greatest need. Waiting to pick up the pices of a shattered club so you can get it on the cheap is surely the most selfish act a chairman could make - and yet some seem to believe this is the only way...

 

I dont. I think we need to go and find someone. We need to sell this Club and I have described how we can be constructive and try to do it in numerous threads. We do need change... I think we say the same things Frank to be honest... but to get change you have to seek it. Sitting on our arses and watching the club sail into League 2 is no longer an option.

[Saint Billy]

Agree with a lot of that. But FC the most important point you make is in bold. A man who loses the faith of so many people over such a period time can only do that through negligence, ineptude, inability, poor salesmanship, poor media profiling, arrogance... the list goes on.

 

Lowe has done all that in spades and is therefore NOT TRUSTED and ASSOCIATED WITH FAILURE.

 

Whether he is right or not this time is no longer relevant, he is regarded as a loser, he disunites the Club (internally with employees both within SMS and in the team AND externally), he interfers with team business AND IS ACTING AS A DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL a job he is not qualified to do, he has presided over the fall of this club and his policies (money driven or not) are leading us VERY rapidly into League 2 - not 1 - League 2.

 

Now, money or not... tell us where else a man who is as divisive and mistrusted leads a serious plc or any other business? I'm sorry, but confidence breeds success. Whether Lowe is good or not is now irrelevant, he is failing on a well established reputation for being a poor chairman.

 

I really do not understand why people think only Lowe can lead us out of this financial mess. Frankly we could employ a CEO who has more experience on a lower salary to handle the finances and still achieve the same result... but with unity.

 

Lowe is a cancer, the plc he represents is a cancer, Saints have been mismanaged by those connected to it for 14 odd years with only further relegation(s) to look forward to.

 

Lowe is not needed any longer... in any capacity. Nor are our shareholders. Time to delist and do a Sheffield Utd - Delist for the good of the Club. Delist and rebuild with new leadership.

 

Lowe HAS to leave for good - whether he's a genius or not, there if absolutely NO confidence in him apart from with the major shareholders who may - inadvertently or not - be stitching him up.

 

Very very good post, says it as it really is.

[Sundance Beast]

Agree with a lot of that. But FC the most important point you make is in bold. A man who loses the faith of so many people over such a period time can only do that through negligence, ineptude, inability, poor salesmanship, poor media profiling, arrogance... the list goes on.

 

Lowe has done all that in spades and is therefore NOT TRUSTED and ASSOCIATED WITH FAILURE.

 

Whether he is right or not this time is no longer relevant, he is regarded as a loser, he disunites the Club (internally with employees both within SMS and in the team AND externally), he interfers with team business AND IS ACTING AS A DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL a job he is not qualified to do, he has presided over the fall of this club and his policies (money driven or not) are leading us VERY rapidly into League 2 - not 1 - League 2.

 

Now, money or not... tell us where else a man who is as divisive and mistrusted leads a serious plc or any other business? I'm sorry, but confidence breeds success. Whether Lowe is good or not is now irrelevant, he is failing on a well established reputation for being a poor chairman.

 

I really do not understand why people think only Lowe can lead us out of this financial mess. Frankly we could employ a CEO who has more experience on a lower salary to handle the finances and still achieve the same result... but with unity.

 

Lowe is a cancer, the plc he represents is a cancer, Saints have been mismanaged by those connected to it for 14 odd years with only further relegation(s) to look forward to.

 

Lowe is not needed any longer... in any capacity. Nor are our shareholders. Time to delist and do a Sheffield Utd - Delist for the good of the Club. Delist and rebuild with new leadership.

 

Lowe HAS to leave for good - whether he's a genius or not, there if absolutely NO confidence in him apart from with the major shareholders who may - inadvertently or not - be stitching him up.

 

In FC's well considered post it is clear which category of 'fan' SaintRobbie falls and it's somewhere to the far right of the axis of evil if it needed clarification.

 

Robbie you need to be a little more flexible in your approach, suggestions and attitude as your manic rants are actually doing more to entrench Lowe in his position than negogiating towards his removal.

 

What really annoys me is the dressing up of opinions as fact, and whilst we recognise Lowe has made mistakes any sane individual would recognise he has had some success and people harp on about the plc but where were these vociferous dissenters before 2003? You all regularly talk about the points in history that support your arguments and mention dinosaurs like McMenemy in revered tones but ignore the moments in history that you presumably all supported and helped us to arrive at where we are today. All to convienient and unbalanced as usual.

 

'Lowe has done all that in spades and is therefore NOT TRUSTED and ASSOCIATED WITH FAILURE'.

 

This quote made me smile because you could replace Lowe's name with McMenemy or Crouch and the cap still fits.

 

'A man who loses the faith of so many people over such a period time can only do that through negligence, ineptude, inability, poor salesmanship, poor media profiling, arrogance... the list goes on'.

 

The list only goes on in the heads of the most rabid anti-lowe ergo anti-club fan. How do we really know Lowe has lost the faith of 'so many people'. Probably, only 10% (a generous estimate) of fans post on this forum - for good reason - and clearly a lot of the passion and hatred for Lowe exists solely on this site and is not reflected in the wider fan base and certainly the balanced mix of fans I come into contact with. Neither are the fans I meet happy clappy loweites but recognise in the absence of any suitable change (not change for the sake of change) that it is our moral duty as supporters to get behind the club and not desert it on what amounts to a personality clash. As FC said in his analogy some of you see Lowe as more Shakin Stevens than George Micheal and alludes to the fact it's simple prejudice and IMO probably goes back to the lunatic fringe comment, that let's face it every club is burdened with and we see it everyday on this forum. For instance, I'm not usually referred to as a '****', 'plant', 'mentalist', etc in everyday life to my face in writing but regularly so, and far worse on here. In fact how often are any of us told to f*** O** in all seriousness to our faces in the world outside? If people do with the regularity they do on here then I think we have a write to refer to them as a lunatic fringe or even and an under-class that most of us would wish to avoid.

 

Lowe does not disunite the club, its the fans who chose to take a dislike to him to such a degree that they create a division of their own making. The conflict within our fanbase is of our own making.

 

Lowe is only presiding over our demise because he chose along with the support from Wilde to come back and try and rescue us from the disaster that has been created over the previous two seasons. Were things as catastrophic when Lowe was ousted when he prudently was trying to implement some financial constraints to help plan and rebuild for a push back to the Premiership? If we are heading to League 2? The only reason Lowe will preside over that demise is that he chose to come back and try and help despite his shoddy treatment two years previously by the people he was trying to help/represent but there are none so blind as those who refuse to really look at a situation and in particular overcome their prejudice.

 

Your post is full of paranoia posted as facts and a lot of it is perhaps based on Strachan's book but as we know there are two sides to every argument and we should suspend judgement until we are aware of the story from the other side but I suspect Lowe doesn't need to publish his memoirs just yet and will not cash in on his 'celebrity' until he actually retires from his position as anyone with good grace should actually do. I've never read Strachan's book which was probably ghost written anyway but I'm often thrown the quote 'Well I read in Strachan's book....' when it comes to supporting an anti-lowe agenda. Don't think there is a court in this country that will proverbially hang a man based solely on one side of the argument.

 

Robbie, you don't understand why people continue to support Lowe because you refuse or are unable to look at the situation subjectively, honestly, dispassionately and without prejudice. Thankfully, those more important than our more subversive elements in our fan base can and I for one prefer to pin my hopes on them getting us out of this mess than calls for imaginary CEOs to be instated or mystery buyers to come forward.

 

Take a reality check, and btw stop using the word cancer in this grammatically correct fashion as it's likely to insight anger and outrage from some of the really unhinged elements of this forum because of their close association with the disease and unable to understand, a word no matter how distasteful, can have two meanings. That said perhaps as in this case it's used against Lowe and not McmEnemy they will find it acceptable. Funny old world.

[SaintRobbie]

Sundance, people DONT support Lowe.

 

That my friend is the only reply worth putting down to your post.

[Sundance Beast]

Sundance, people DONT support Lowe.

 

That my friend is the only reply worth putting down to your post.

 

That's very Stalinesque Robbie but unless I'm mistaken you don't speak 'for the people'.

 

It may be more accurate to say - I don't support Lowe' - or 'some people I talk to ad allow them to have an opinion don't support Lowe'.

 

Otherwise my friend you are dressing up your personal ideals as a MISGUIDED BELIEF that people don't support Lowe. Prove it or lose the role as forum despot.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I was particularly drawn to the Guardian's "velvet-collared businessman" description of Lowe. That is a new one on me.

 

Wasn't it supposed to be "vulva-coloured businessman"?

[SaintRobbie]

Sorry - but I am not rising to the bait Sundance. Wake up my friend.

 

For what its worth everyone, MLT summed up my position perfectly on Saturday's SSN. I blame each board for their roles from Lowe to Crouch in bringing about the mess we're in.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with MLT. We must get a change and soon.

 

His view and mine chime exactly.... misguided, Stalinesque despots the two of us.

 

(sigh)

[Thedelldays]

saintrobbie

 

although I want lowe gone

 

you and stanley are very tedious in every post about lowe...you are not collecting people to your cause you are making people not even read your posts...

 

regardless of what comeback comment you will no doubt say...it is true..

 

as someone said somewhere else..

we should have a thread just for you 2 to post....it would be quite entertaining and you would get your points down for all to see

[SaintRobbie]

Dulldays, ditto. Thank god Billy Davies went to Derby and we dont have to listen to you go on and on and on either mate.

 

Now, I will be off to get on with having a pop at JP instead...in a non-Lowe thread.

[um pahars]

My guess is the ONLY reason Pearson was not kept on was that Lowe or whoever felt Pearson would keep playing the older more expensive players who Lowe believed we needed to ship out to save money -

 

And it's a wild guess that has no substance whatsoever.

 

Pearson was clear before he was sacked that he was aware of the financial constraints he had to work under, the fact that more youngsters would have to be played and that many higher earners would have to be shipped out.

 

When he met Lowe there was no disagreement or disillusionment over having to pursue a more frugal strategy.

 

In fact when it got back to him that people (and a few know exactly who I mean by this) were suggesting he would not have been prepared to work under the new regime and it's tight budget, he was rather upset!!!!!

 

I don't think you'll find that individual repeating that allegation in public.

 

and that the Dutch guys with their 'Ajax' model of youth development would be able to miraculously build a winning side from the kids we had - WHO ARE cheap as chips.

 

That's exactly what he thought, in that he believed these Dutch guys would be more successful working within the strategy he wanted to follow.

 

I have to say there is nothing wrong with having that opinion, but it was a footballing decision and one he will have to stand or fall by.

 

The financial situation certainly set the environment for a new manager to work in, but it did not dictate that we had to go for Poortvliet. There is no reason to suggest that Pearson, Clough, Cotterill, Holmes or another manager could not have worked within the same constraints.

 

BUT I dont think Pearson would have fared any better if only having the kids at his disposal - he may well have done had we kept last years squad witha few changes, but we simply did not have that luxury.

 

I am sure, NIgel, to his credit was prepared to stay on and give it a go - and like most i would have loved to have seen him be given that chance, but we cant presume that he would have been able to get anything more from the kids we have than JP and Wotte.

 

You're quite right in stating that it is impossible to judge whether Pearson would have delivered more given the same resources and restrictions (but I doubt you'd find many who think he would have done any worse), but I have to say it's ludicrous to suggest that Pearson was not prepared to work within those constraints.

 

The lack of cash certainly dictates what we cannot afford, but it certainly did not dictate that we had to ditch Pearson and go for an unknown Head Coach and this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up".

 

Are you really suggesting that Poortvliet was the only manager we could have appointed, and this was due to our financial position?

[Crab Lungs]

SaintRobbie, honestly... why are you such a retard? Over, and over, and over again.

 

Can't you just accept people have different opinions to you? Even anti-Lowe posters on here accept others views... except you of course.

 

If truth be told I'm not delighted with things but hey ho, there's plenty more things in life to get stuck into as opposed to trolling an internet forum telling people their opinions don't count because they don't tow your party line..

[Redondo Saint]

I dont. I think we need to go and find someone. We need to sell this Club and I have described how we can be constructive and try to do it in numerous threads. We do need change... I think we say the same things Frank to be honest... but to get change you have to seek it. Sitting on our arses and watching the club sail into League 2 is no longer an option.

 

 

Do you really think that for the past 2 yrs or so, everyone has been sat on their arses waiting for the day of administration?

 

You continually state that the club must be sold. What do you think the current and previous boards were trying to do?

 

Should the club be sold to anyone at any price???

 

We need the buyer to be a stable, long term owner that will pay 'fair' value for the club.

 

There is no doubt RL and co are not the long term solution, but in the current financial world we are left with little alternative.

 

- or would you prefer the board to resign and the club fall into administration? (I think you prefer this option)

[SaintRobbie]

Do you really think that for the past 2 yrs or so, everyone has been sat on their arses waiting for the day of administration?

 

You continually state that the club must be sold. What do you think the current and previous boards were trying to do?

 

Should the club be sold to anyone at any price???

 

We need the buyer to be a stable, long term owner that will pay 'fair' value for the club.

 

There is no doubt RL and co are not the long term solution, but in the current financial world we are left with little alternative.

 

- or would you prefer the board to resign and the club fall into administration? (I think you prefer this option)

 

No, I dont think they're looking for a buyer - Hoos and Hone tried with SISU. But, I think Lowe is geniunely now preparing for the long haul. I think I prefer and have said more times than needs repeating yet again that its time to get a team together to sell this club.

 

So there we go. We go and find someone or we sink. And yes - I would prefer the board resigned and handed over to a professional CEO.

[SaintRobbie]

SaintRobbie, honestly... why are you such a retard? Over, and over, and over again.

 

Can't you just accept people have different opinions to you? Even anti-Lowe posters on here accept others views... except you of course.

 

If truth be told I'm not delighted with things but hey ho, there's plenty more things in life to get stuck into as opposed to trolling an internet forum telling people their opinions don't count because they don't tow your party line..

 

 

Sorry, I was responding to being told I was not towing the Lowe-party line. Apologies for that.

[saint63]

That's very Stalinesque Robbie but unless I'm mistaken you don't speak 'for the people'.

 

It may be more accurate to say - I don't support Lowe' - or 'some people I talk to ad allow them to have an opinion don't support Lowe'.

 

Otherwise my friend you are dressing up your personal ideals as a MISGUIDED BELIEF that people don't support Lowe. Prove it or lose the role as forum despot.

 

After 45 years of supporting Saints I now am firmly of the opinion that the sooner Messrs Lowe and Wilde go the better. Relegation is now a certainty.Their experiment has messed us up big time. I have spent hundreds of pounds over Christmas and New Year on tickets for myself and family - no wins and no goals scored. Above all, it was so sad to see the depths to which we have got to as we can no longer compete against Man U. In the past at least we could give them a game. Mr Crouch at least tried to sort out the finances on his watch. More experience is needed on the pitch - and a manager who knows his way around our league.

[Daren W]

Take a reality check, and btw stop using the word cancer in this grammatically correct fashion as it's likely to insight anger and outrage from some of the really unhinged elements of this forum because of their close association with the disease and unable to understand, a word no matter how distasteful, can have two meanings. That said perhaps as in this case it's used against Lowe and not McmEnemy they will find it acceptable. Funny old world.

You know, as soon I read Robbie's posts and saw his use of the word cancer and saw you'd replied I just knew you'd mention me.. I'd have put money on you baiting, harranging, taunting "the guy whose mother has cancer,"

 

You just couldn't resist it...

 

So, trying to raise money for cancer research is tin rattling and trying to get people to think of a bigger picture and not to not use the word cancer so freely when refering to old man who may or may not be earning money you think he doesn't merit... Watching people get all uptight and furious over that and pointing out how sad and pathetic that is, that classes me as "unhinged" does it?

 

 

What a charmer you are...

 

For yor information, and again I don't know how many times times I need to say this before it hits home, but my dealings with a terminal disease in my family haven't "unhinged me" they've shown me there are more important things in life than football and messageboards.

 

I'd be a liar if said that getting up every morning, going downstairs and wondering if I'll find my mother alive or dead took its toll on me but it also gave me an appreciation of life, of relationships and how ****ing petty and ridiculous people like you are.

 

That said I'd rather be "unhinged" than be a cowardly internet messgageboard trawler like you who only possesses testicles when sat behind a pc. I remember all too well how big and brave you were on Essru's messageboard, having cheap pops at me and calling a tin rattler and then how quiet you got when I pulled you up on it on this board. Very big at cheap insults when you think I'm not looking but very very quiet when confronted about them.

 

Again Sundance, if you want to get personal, and drag every thread you can into some sort of personal dig at me, knock yourself out...

 

But do it to my face..

 

Remember this, you can't keep your identity on here a secret for ever, Scooby proved that and one day, maybe not now, maybe weeks, months, in the future, people on here will find out your real identity... And when they do, believe you me, there'll be one "unhinged" tin rattler knocking on your door....

 

Want to open it?

 

Leave the personal digs at home, discuss the footballing matters at hand or we will have words... Got it? Mods?

Edited 7 January, 2009 by Daren W

[The Majestic Channon]

So who was scooby? i missed that, link to the thread anyone?

[Mole]

So who was scooby? i missed that, link to the thread anyone?

 

http://www.flickerhouse.com/flicker2.swf

[Saint Billy]

SaintRobbie, honestly... why are you such a retard? Over, and over, and over again.

 

Can't you just accept people have different opinions to you? Even anti-Lowe posters on here accept others views... except you of course.

 

If truth be told I'm not delighted with things but hey ho, there's plenty more things in life to get stuck into as opposed to trolling an internet forum telling people their opinions don't count because they don't tow your party line..

 

There is not much else regarding saints to discuss is there?

 

Saints losing, JP not having a clue, team selection, best players leaving, 2nd from bottom of the league, all have one common link.

 

More intersting than your ITK titbits earlier in the season that died a death, at least SaintRobbie is discussing what is really happening rather than some pie in the sky buyout that was never going any where.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Can I just say that I really like Samedance Beast's constant use of the "McmEnemy" comment. It warms my heart to think there are one trick ponies out there like him that make me feel so much more intelligent than I otherwise would feel. Thank you dinlo, you are special.

[Frank's cousin]

Are you really suggesting that Poortvliet was the only manager we could have appointed, and this was due to our financial position?

 

No.... but you do like to play the cheeky scamp and put the odd word in my mouth! ;-)

 

There are plenty out there who would have also done the job for what we offered him - and as we know its impossible to predict - I do believe though that several of those fans would have liked would be way beyond what we would have been able/prepared to pay.

 

I dont know the history of how Lowe 'found' this pair and plucked them from obscurity, who recommended them etc or how they made a judgemnet that this was a good way forward. I recall Lowe and some of the staff (was it Hoddle?) going to the Netherlands several years ago to look at the set ups they had in their academies etc so that could have been the start of it - as we know, Lowe has always seemed to prefereed working with managers that see themselves as Coaches first - developing players, rather than wheeler dealers.

 

I guess the biggest (removing alol emotive contexts from the pro/anti lowe debate) issue, is that LOwe never seems able to compromise his beliefs in a strategy for the sake of a quick fix to get us out a hole - or did he with redKnapp? and that failed as well....

[gordonToo]

I dont know the history of how Lowe 'found' this pair and plucked them from obscurity' date=' who recommended them etc or how they made a judgemnet that this was a good way forward. [/quote']

 

Fairly sure it was SCW.

[The Majestic Channon]

http://www.flickerhouse.com/flicker2.swf

 

 

still none the wiser :confused:

[hoozonside10]

still none the wiser :confused:

 

If you click on 'Author' and check out the email address at the bottom I think you will be enlightened!

[JohnnyFartPants]

If you click on 'Author' and check out the email address at the bottom I think you will be enlightened!

 

At least he doesn't look like a complete nerd.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, he does!!

[The Majestic Channon]

If you click on 'Author' and check out the email address at the bottom I think you will be enlightened!

Oh yeah, cheers.

Is that really the scooby who posted on here?

Looks more like peter beardsley's love child.

[um pahars]

No.... but you do like to play the cheeky scamp and put the odd word in my mouth! ;-)

 

There are plenty out there who would have also done the job for what we offered him - and as we know its impossible to predict - I do believe though that several of those fans would have liked would be way beyond what we would have been able/prepared to pay.

 

So at last you fully accept that this was a footballing decision.

 

At least we've put the myth to bed that we had to appoint Poortvliet due to financial reasons, and as you now concede there were a myriad of managers out there who we could have brought in that we could have afforded and would have worked within those constraints (Pearson included).

 

Whoever came in certainly had to work in some rather tight constraints, but there was absolutely no reason why Pearson, for instance, would not have been prepared or able to work within those tight constraints.

 

Of course what will always be up for debate is whether he (or someone else) would have performed better, but quite frankly from what I have seen, and what we are starting to hear, I very much doubt anyone could have been a worse appointment.

 

I dont know the history of how Lowe 'found' this pair and plucked them from obscurity' date=' who recommended them etc or how they made a judgemnet that this was a good way forward. I recall Lowe and some of the staff (was it Hoddle?) going to the Netherlands several years ago to look at the set ups they had in their academies etc so that could have been the start of it - as we know, Lowe has always seemed to prefereed working with managers that see themselves as Coaches first - developing players, rather than wheeler dealers.[/quote']

 

Strangely enough, we may have to thank possibly the only manager who could rival Poortvliet for the title as being our worst ever manager.

 

As I think you will find that it was Steve Wigley who first came across Wotte. I think the link was the U21 qualification play offs against Holland in 2001. Wigley was assisting the then manager Platt and Wotte was there U21 manager. I think that's where the relationship started and Wotte is the man behind advising Lowe to go for Poortvliet.

 

I guess the biggest (removing alol emotive contexts from the pro/anti lowe debate) issue' date=' is that LOwe never seems able to compromise his beliefs in a strategy for the sake of a quick fix to get us out a hole - or did he with redKnapp? and that failed as well.... [/quote']

 

The biggest issue at any club is the appointment, support and retention of a quality manager. Whatever strategy is in place will suffer in that one decision goes to ccokc, and at the moment that important appointment is looking increasingly as it's gone to ccokc.

[Plumstead_Saint]

If you click on 'Author' and check out the email address at the bottom I think you will be enlightened!

Still no wiser - who is that?

BTW that is one of the worst websites I've ever seen, even taking 'account' of the fact that it is 2 or 3 years old.