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Batman

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I think our passing and general play will sharpen up a fair bit for this one.

No travelling, home and players a bit more fresh compared to the newcastle game

 

clasie back in the squad I should imagine and hopefully, VvD too

 

I would start Long ahead of Rodriguez. Maybe even get JWP or Reed in the middle. we seem to allow teams more possession in front of our back 4 at the mo.

 

could even move Yoshida to LB and bring Caulker in. Targett was way off the pace against newcastle

 

 

Think we will win this. 2-1

simo

simo

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I expect to see one Everton goal scorer on Saturday.

Usually in their own net :)

Owen goal has been our top scorer against them the last 2 home games!

marc_saint

marc_saint

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Hopefully Bertrand will be back in the left back role next weekend.

 

Also as it's on BT Sport i'm happy that we'll see the return of David James in the Kingsland/Northam corner. Although I'm sure they will have learnt their lesson :)

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Hopefully Bertrand will be back in the left back role next weekend.

 

Also as it's on BT Sport i'm happy that we'll see the return of David James in the Kingsland/Northam corner. Although I'm sure they will have learnt their lesson :)

 

They have..! HT and FT are now up in a studio setup, no longer pitch-side.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Don't think he is even back in training yet.

 

I reckon we'll looking more likely at the Norwich game to be honest, and that will probably be the bench. After the internationals he'd have had a good week or so training and should go straight back in.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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Think we need to control the midfield much better than we did today. Hopefully Clasie might be fit to play. Also don't think I'd start with Jrod.

 

 

Tricky one that. To get the old jrod back he needs to play competitive games but it leaves us a bit light on the pitch while he gets back match sharpness.

ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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Stek

Cedric - Fonte - Yoshida - Targett

Wanyama - Davis - Clasie

Tadic - Pelle - Mane

 

Long in with a shout to start but can't see it.

 

Yep, got to be this. I'd like to see Schlong start, but just cannot see where he could come in.

ant

ant

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Gradually edging towards a sell-out, although I doubt we'll quite get there. Personally could do with it happening though as I'll be away this weekend and reselling my seat would be handy!

Golden Balls

Golden Balls

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Would like to see Classie back in the team to add a bit more control in the midfield. Then it's filling two wide positions from 4 players. Mane, Long, JRod and Tadic.

 

Mane will almost certainly start.

JRod needs game time.

Tadic would be my choice to drop however you cant argue that he is providing a lot of assists.

Long should be in with a shout but he's just too effective off the bench. I cant see him being happy as a super sub.

 

What a nice problem to have though.

Baird of the land

Baird of the land

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Some tough choices. Personally i'd be tempted to switch Caulker for Yoshida.

If clasie's fit, he's a much more natural fit alongside Wanyama.

Jrod should go to the bench, so then its whether you go with the more conservative option Davis(who played well against Newcastle) or the more aggressive option of Long(who had a big impact when he came on).

Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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Rhu-endly could come into the thinking at left back but I personally would give Targett another game, thats what the whole ethos of the club is, not to judge him on one bad game. Besides, Bertrand is back soon and the Cocktail is right footed anyway.

Batman

Batman

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Stek

 

Cedric

Fonte

Caulker

Targett

 

Vic

Davis

JWP/Clasie

 

Mane

Pelle

Tadic

 

Gazza, Martina, Yoshida, clasie/JWP, Long, Rodriguez, Juanmi

mrfahaji

mrfahaji

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Stek

Cedric - Fonte - Yoshida - Targett

Wanyama - Clasie

Tadic - Mane - (TBA)

Pelle

 

A key problem against Newcastle was our lack of control in midfield because we played Mane as (or instead of) a third central midfielder. We could manage if we had a left midfielder rather than a left winger to bring in, but neither J-Rod nor Schlong fit that billing. Davis was arguably MOTM against Newcastle yet you'd drop him unless he plays LM. Push Mane out to the left but let him roam inside and Davis in the middle and we look much more likely to control the game.

ant

ant

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Absolutely fine with Targett continuing at LB, but the balance of the midfield/attack may need to be more closely considered. When utilising 4-2-3-1, the wider two of the '3' have a duty to protect the full backs when the opposition comes forward and to cover them on the overlap.

 

Rodriguez's attacking prowess isn't in question but he's better suited to that role with a confident, proven LB behind him. Targett clearly needs a little more help than he's getting right now.

redkeith

redkeith

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Looking at how our full backs were exposed yesterday, it could be worth playing Davis in a wide position, maybe instead of JayRod or Long. Although this would limit our attacking options, it should provide more cover ( think Mardsden/Bridge for older viewers )

SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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Stek

 

Cedric

Fonte

Caulker

Targett

 

Vic

Davis

JWP/Clasie

 

Mane

Pelle

Tadic

 

Gazza, Martina, Yoshida, clasie/JWP, Long, Rodriguez, Juanmi

 

Like the look of that. Bench has excellent pace to bring on against tired legs.

LeBenali

LeBenali

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A friend of mine has complimentary tickets in Block 5, which according to a Google image search of St Mary's is 'hospitality' - anybody else on here sit in that block? Will this likely be anything rather than premium seating i.e. no freebies or thrills included?

simo

simo

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A friend of mine has complimentary tickets in Block 5, which according to a Google image search of St Mary's is 'hospitality' - anybody else on here sit in that block? Will this likely be anything rather than premium seating i.e. no freebies or thrills included?

Standard , sat there with the boy for Espanyol

Red

Red

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Like the look of that. Bench has excellent pace to bring on against tired legs.

 

Why would you drop Yoshi after his great performance in a covering position at Newcastle out of interest?

austsaint

austsaint

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Would like to see Classie back in the team to add a bit more control in the midfield. Then it's filling two wide positions from 4 players. Mane, Long, JRod and Tadic.

 

Mane will almost certainly start.

JRod needs game time.

Tadic would be my choice to drop however you cant argue that he is providing a lot of assists.

Long should be in with a shout but he's just too effective off the bench. I cant see him being happy as a super sub.

 

What a nice problem to have though.

 

I think you can definitely delete the word almost from the sentence about Mane.

eelpie

eelpie

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Yep, got to be this. I'd like to see Schlong start, but just cannot see where he could come in.

 

Super Schlong is our super sub. They can't cope when he comes on..

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Stekkers

 

Caulker Fonte Yoshi

 

Cedric Wanyama Clasie Davis

 

Mane

 

JRod Pelle

 

**** it, we would probably lose but whatever.

 

Shoehorning Davis into the side as a left wing back isn't a great idea. Why play Davis completely out of position and not use Targett in a role he is suited to?

VectisSaint

VectisSaint

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Skeletonberg

McCarthy Fonte Stephens Targett

Tadic Wanyama Reed

Mane Pelle Seager

I take it this is a bit of a joke, you know Stephens has gone to Middlesbro?

 

The team will probably be:

The Stek, Cedric, Fonte, Yoshida, Targett, Davis, Wanyama, Long, Tadic, Mane, Pelle

Don't think Clasie will be a starter on the evidence of last night, might make the bench, but took a heavy knock and looked well off the PL pace (but did some great stuff), Everton is too soon, will probably play against Midgetland. Main worry is the left side of midfield, we need someone to protect Targett, neither JRod nor Tadic can do it. Long is beter defensively than both, so maybe we can start with him there, not sure, to me that is the only place that has a decision to be made, do we play Long, JRod, JWP or Juanmi. The rest of the team picks itself while we have injuries.

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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I'd go with something like

 

- - - - - - - - - Stek

 

- - - - Fonte - Caulker - Yoshi

Cedric - - - - - - - - - - - - - Targett

 

- - -- - - Wanyama - Davis

 

- - - Mané - - - - - - - - Tadic

 

- - - - - - - - - - Pelle

 

I think we need extra cover at the back as Targett and Cedric aren't quite up to the job defensively yet, especially with Clasie not being up to speed and injured. J Rod, Long and Juanmi all there is we need to beef up the attack second half

The9

The9

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I'd go with something like

 

- - - - - - - - - Stek

 

- - - - Fonte - Caulker - Yoshi

Cedric - - - - - - - - - - - - - Targett

 

- - -- - - Wanyama - Davis

 

- - - Mané - - - - - - - - Tadic

 

- - - - - - - - - - Pelle

 

I think we need extra cover at the back as Targett and Cedric aren't quite up to the job defensively yet, especially with Clasie not being up to speed and injured. J Rod, Long and Juanmi all there is we need to beef up the attack second half

 

Cedric looked more than capable to me, it was the lack of defensive support ahead of him that meant he had to make more challenges than he'd usually need to, Martina's existence was handy at that point. Targett is usually solid but again the lack of wide midfield support meant he was under pressure (giving the ball away too easily didn't help him either), and also meant Yoshida was out of position trying to stem the attacks out wide, leaving Fonte exposed and looking a lot more panicked than last season, etc.

 

All the trademarks of a defence missing the shield it had last season and being too reactive rather than proactive in stopping the attacks even getting to them. Mostly down to the loss of Schneiderlin, I'd normally say missing Alderweireld too, but ironically exactly the same thing was happening to him for Spurs at Old Trafford - no defensive shield and pulled all over the place. Well, serves him right.

Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

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Indeed, the DM position is the most important in football the way teams play now, stopping the opposition from creating anything, stopping the counter attacks, and sitting into defence.

 

We had Morgan and Vic and even to a certain extent JWP & Davis to do it last season, if the full back went, one of them would sit, and we'd also have the wide players going back towards our own goal. We were too gungho on Sunday, and therefore had no cover, the defence and Vic were pulled all over the place.

 

We need to start with 3 in CM IMO like we have done for the last 2 years, the only problem with that is that it means Mane has to play wide, or we play with very little width.

Diabolus Ex Machina

Diabolus Ex Machina

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For me it would be...

 

Stekelenburg

Cedric - Fonte - Yoshida - Targett

Wanyama - Clasie

Tadic - Mane - Davis

Pelle

 

Long to come on as impact sub if needed (form is good though JRod and Juanmi also good options). This is assuming Clasie is fit to play if not stick Reed in that position - trying to shoe-horn in a Davis or JWP in there upsets the balance of the team and I believe weakens us overall.

 

Davis can help defensively on the left side and is also good at linking play from back-to-front. Once Bertrand is back can go a bit more attacking down the left with the likes of JRod and Long. Caulker still too new to be thrown into the starting line-up whereas Yoshida should have plenty of experience with Fonte.

eelpie

eelpie

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Cedric looked more than capable to me, it was the lack of defensive support ahead of him that meant he had to make more challenges than he'd usually need to, Martina's existence was handy at that point. Targett is usually solid but again the lack of wide midfield support meant he was under pressure (giving the ball away too easily didn't help him either), and also meant Yoshida was out of position trying to stem the attacks out wide, leaving Fonte exposed and looking a lot more panicked than last season, etc.

 

All the trademarks of a defence missing the shield it had last season and being too reactive rather than proactive in stopping the attacks even getting to them. Mostly down to the loss of Schneiderlin, I'd normally say missing Alderweireld too, but ironically exactly the same thing was happening to him for Spurs at Old Trafford - no defensive shield and pulled all over the place. Well, serves him right.

 

Good comments

hasper57saint

hasper57saint

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I am the eternal optimist but sometimes I have serious reservations.Michael Oliver is the Ref on Saturday and his record doesn't look very promising.I'll still go for a win though.

COYS

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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I am the eternal optimist but sometimes I have serious reservations.Michael Oliver is the Ref on Saturday and his record doesn't look very promising.I'll still go for a win though.

COYS

 

What does that mean? Are you accusing him of having some kind of agenda against Saints?

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