StratfordSaint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Greater than our rise from the ashes? Lots of press talk about them. Quite possibly so in my opinion. But not if they get relegated this season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Much greater, they were almost out of the football league not that long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Both clubs spent more than people think in order to get to the Premier League. Bournemouth staying up would be equal to us qualifying for Europe. Lets see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 It is going to be interesting to see how Bournemouth meet the challenge of deciding what to spend on the structure of the club and what to spend on players to keep them in the top flight. Burnley were up front in treating last year as a bonus and using the money to build the club structure rather than gambling on players in the manner of QPR. We were fortunate that we had a newish ground and a decent training facility when we came up, and we have chosen to invest in the training facility as well as investing in players that mostly have a resale value. Mind you the sound system in the ground is still in need of an upgrade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 (edited) Both are truly fantastic achievements. Both clubs had a chance to rebuild after administration, from a relatively blank sheet of paper and use it to push on from. There are no doubt similarities but my understanding is that Bournemouth did need a higher proportion of capital put into the club to get them up..... but then considering our behaviour under Cortese, pot/kettle? Frankly I do not care which achievement is 'bigger,' i'm just enjoying what it means for the local area. We should be able to feed off each other and utilise the extra profile it brings. Edited 5 August, 2015 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Both clubs spent more than people think in order to get to the Premier League. Bournemouth staying up would be equal to us qualifying for Europe. Lets see. Difference being we sold Chamberlain for £12mill or so in that same time period. I'm assuming Bournemouth haven't done similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Their's has been a fantastic achievement. I would say that we are now at the level where we belong whereas they are above theirs. TIme will tell. I do go and watch them occasionally and have done for a long time and never in my wildest dreams did I expect to see this situation. They have played good exciting football but I do have the feeling that they are now among the really big boys and my be in for a reality shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Their's has been a fantastic achievement. I would say that we are now at the level where we belong whereas they are above theirs. TIme will tell. I do go and watch them occasionally and have done for a long time and never in my wildest dreams did I expect to see this situation. They have played good exciting football but I do have the feeling that they are now among the really big boys and my be in for a reality shock. I see Bournemouth as very much a Southern Wigan, but with better history and fanbase. I see no reason why they cannot continue to push on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Difference being we sold Chamberlain for £12mill or so in that same time period. I'm assuming Bournemouth haven't done similar. We did, but they also sold Grabban and got money from the Lallana deal - maybe £7m in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Let's see where we both are in a few years' time. If we both consolidate our current positions then I'd say we'd be about even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Bournemouth deserve respect for their incredible achievement, and I'm proud that another (different) Hampshire team are doing so well. I hope that we do not underrate them when we play them. It would be a shock if they bettered us, not that I think they will. They play exciting football and certainly should not be panned as relegation fodder. Exciting times for Hampshire footie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 We did' date=' but they also sold Grabban and got money from the Lallana deal - maybe £7m in total.[/quote'] Plus have a Russian billionaire throwing dosh around. They have a good academy be interesting to see what happens with that and how they promote them now they gave a massive gap they didnt have before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Bournemouth's is truly a rags to riches story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 im not sure how you can compare a premier league club that dropped down a couple of leagues and then came up. to a club like Bournemouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Bournemouth deserve respect for their incredible achievement, and I'm proud that another (different) Hampshire team are doing so well. I hope that we do not underrate them when we play them. It would be a shock if they bettered us, not that I think they will. They play exciting football and certainly should not be panned as relegation fodder. Exciting times for Hampshire footie. Sadly that was another era. I was disappointed to see the town moved to an inferior county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Sadly that was another era. I was disappointed to see the town moved to an inferior county. How could I forget. Revenge on defectors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Both clubs spent more than people think in order to get to the Premier League. Bournemouth staying up would be equal to us qualifying for Europe. Lets see. Did we? After our relegation until our promotion (2007/08 > 2011/12) according to the figures on transfermarkt.co.uk we sold £60.54m worth and bought £19.18m, giving us a net profit of over £40m. The most we spent was in 06/07 when we shelled out £4.87m (although selling £3.15m worth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Did we? After our relegation until our promotion (2007/08 > 2011/12) according to the figures on transfermarkt.co.uk we sold £60.54m worth and bought £19.18m, giving us a net profit of over £40m. The most we spent was in 06/07 when we shelled out £4.87m (although sellingI wo £3.15m worth). I wonder if the cherries owner has to convert £30m+ debt into equity....or what ever it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 I wonder if the cherries owner has to convert £30m+ debt into equity....or what ever it was? Probably. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27224806 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Probably. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27224806 no where near our level, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Did we? After our relegation until our promotion (2007/08 > 2011/12) according to the figures on transfermarkt.co.uk we sold £60.54m worth and bought £19.18m, giving us a net profit of over £40m. The most we spent was in 06/07 when we shelled out £4.87m (although selling £3.15m worth). Not sure what anything we did pre-takeover has to do with anything as that 'net profit' clearly didn't exist in terms of cash and was used elsewhere to run the club as we went into administration. In the first season of the takeover we spent well over £2m on transfers and goodness knows how much on wages - that doesn't really happen in League 1? Then in the Championship we paid Jack Cork and Tadanari Lee 20k a week, spent a few million on Sharp, and signed Hooiveld as well. We spent money and had a big wage bill too. Our promotion was not an 'against all odds' happening. We invested wisely of course, but that doesn't hide that we still invested well. Oxlade-Chamberlain sale helped, but Bournemouth will argue the funds they got for Grabban and from the Lallana sale supported their spending (to the point they passed FFP). I'm just saying that both teams spent a lot of money to get to the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Let's back them and wish them well and be proud of their achievement and not turn them into rivals. We've only got one local rival and they're quiet and out of the way at present, if there's any bitterness around let Spurs/Liverpool have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Bournemouth staying up would be equal to us qualifying for Europe. I really need to get hold of a copy of the conversion chart for these scenarios. Is Bournemouth getting to the Europa league > or = us getting to the champions league? Is ManU winning the league cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Did we? After our relegation until our promotion (2007/08 > 2011/12) according to the figures on transfermarkt.co.uk we sold £60.54m worth and bought £19.18m, giving us a net profit of over £40m. The most we spent was in 06/07 when we shelled out £4.87m (although selling £3.15m worth). What relegation happened in 2007/8 then? We were in the Championship the season before and the season after that season. Your figures don't even sound right anyway, and even if they technically are - I'd like to see how you break this down season by season - you are cherry picking. One killer point people conveniently ignore is small things like a) if we weren't owned by a billionaire we could never have got the fee we got for Chamberlain, and b) if we weren't owned by a billionaire that fee would go into club running costs not spunked entirely on new players and fees. And Batman has already covered the small matter of the millions converted into equity. But, nah, let's look on fu cking transfermarkt.com and pretend we did it all on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 I really need to get hold of a copy of the conversion chart for these scenarios. Is Bournemouth getting to the Europa league > or = us getting to the champions league? Is ManU winning the league cup Bournemouth getting to the Europa league = us getting to the champions league Man U winning the league cup Happy to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 What relegation happened in 2007/8 then? We were in the Championship the season before and the season after that season. Your figures don't even sound right anyway, and even if they technically are - I'd like to see how you break this down season by season - you are cherry picking. One killer point people conveniently ignore is small things like a) if we weren't owned by a billionaire we could never have got the fee we got for Chamberlain, and b) if we weren't owned by a billionaire that fee would go into club running costs not spunked entirely on new players and fees. And Batman has already covered the small matter of the millions converted into equity. But, nah, let's look on fu cking transfermarkt.com and pretend we did it all on the cheap. Figures from 2005/06 not 2007/08 as mentioned - my mistake. But as mentioned, they aren't my figures. Did you not notice that I said they came from transfermarkt??? If you want to see how they break down, go to transfermarkt and have a look. (or http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-southampton/alletransfers/verein/180) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 But, nah, let's look on fu cking transfermarkt.com and pretend we did it all on the cheap. Do you always come over as a tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Bournemouth getting to the Europa league = us getting to the champions league Man U winning the league cup Happy to help Excel spreadsheet or gtfo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 What exactly is your problem with Southampton football club? nothing, why? what is your problem. I see you think we will struggle to win at Newcastle. stop being negative ffs, we will win up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Figures from 2005/06 not 2007/08 as mentioned - my mistake. But as mentioned, they aren't my figures. Did you not notice that I said they came from transfermarkt??? If you want to see how they break down, go to transfermarkt and have a look. (or http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-southampton/alletransfers/verein/180) I don't need to go on any poxy website. We were signing £1m/£1.5m players when we were in League One. We signed centre backs from the division above. I can remember that far back. We spent big to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 I don't need to go on any poxy website. We were signing £1m/£1.5m players when we were in League One. We signed centre backs from the division above. I can remember that far back. We spent big to go up. Signing Rickie Lambert was bigger than the next 3 big transfers THAT SEASON combined. One of those was Dean Hammond to Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 no where near our level, is it? It would be interesting to see how comparible that is to their income. Based on nothing at all, I'd say percentage wise on a debt vs turnover comparison that it would be similair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 I think they will stay up. Hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Bournemouth's promotion was an amazing achievement but I suspect they, like many promoted teams before, will get a Premier League wake up call sometime very soon. They are in for a tough season, survival would be equal to promotion. Their matchday income isn't vast so they have to invest the TV money wisely or it could all go a bit Blackpool fairly quickly. As for comparisons, we are two very different clubs with different expectations and infrastructures - the only connection may be that we both invested wisely through lower divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 I think they will go down. I honestly believe they had 'that' season last year, where it all went right. they play a pretty attacking game and they will get you smashed in this league for a newly promoted side. Look how we faired doing it. They will cause a few upsets and suspect a few teams will find it tough at their ground Come November when injuries and suspension kick in, they may start to struggle.... be an amazing achievement if they stay up but their run-in is very tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Not sure what anything we did pre-takeover has to do with anything as that 'net profit' clearly didn't exist in terms of cash and was used elsewhere to run the club as we went into administration. In the first season of the takeover we spent well over £2m on transfers and goodness knows how much on wages - that doesn't really happen in League 1? Then in the Championship we paid Jack Cork and Tadanari Lee 20k a week, spent a few million on Sharp, and signed Hooiveld as well. We spent money and had a big wage bill too. Our promotion was not an 'against all odds' happening. We invested wisely of course, but that doesn't hide that we still invested well. Oxlade-Chamberlain sale helped, but Bournemouth will argue the funds they got for Grabban and from the Lallana sale supported their spending (to the point they passed FFP). I'm just saying that both teams spent a lot of money to get to the Premier League. Net spend on transfer dealings under Adkins was circa £3m from league 1 to prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Net spend on transfer dealings under Adkins was circa £3m from league 1 to prem? But then what about wages and other operating costs? As has been mentioned, our owner wrote off tens of millions of debt on the journey. We have spent lots of money to get the club where it is today. We talk a lot about self-sustaining these days, but the journey saw us spend lots of money we didn't generate through normal revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 But then what about wages and other operating costs? As has been mentioned' date=' our owner wrote off tens of millions of debt on the journey. We have spent lots of money to get the club where it is today. We talk a lot about self-sustaining these days, but the journey saw us spend lots of money we didn't generate through normal revenue.[/quote'] Correct. The net spend thing is a cherry picked number shorn of all context or acknowledgement of the bigger picture. We spent two million pounds on one striker for six months work/twenty odd games purely to get us over the line in the race the Premier League, a player we then cast aside the minute we went up. Behaviour like that - not the behaviour of your typical Championship side - makes "but our net spend was only..." stuff nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Correct. The net spend thing is a cherry picked number shorn of all context or acknowledgement of the bigger picture. We spent two million pounds on one striker for six months work/twenty odd games purely to get us over the line in the race the Premier League, a player we then cast aside the minute we went up. Behaviour like that - not the behaviour of your typical Championship side - makes "but our net spend was only..." stuff nonsensical. Apart from the fact that he played in our first two games of the season (albeit briefly) against Man City and Wigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Bournemouth deserve respect for their incredible achievement, and I'm proud that another (different) Hampshire team are doing so well. I hope that we do not underrate them when we play them. It would be a shock if they bettered us, not that I think they will. They play exciting football and certainly should not be panned as relegation fodder. Exciting times for Hampshire footie. Bournemouth is in Dorset .... Dorset deserves a Prem team IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 But then what about wages and other operating costs? As has been mentioned' date=' our owner [b']wrote off tens of millions of debt[/b] on the journey. We have spent lots of money to get the club where it is today. We talk a lot about self-sustaining these days, but the journey saw us spend lots of money we didn't generate through normal revenue. That's more of a technical issue than anything else. When he bought the club he would have paid a very minimal amount upfront, just enough for the administrator to prefer his offer to liquidating the assets and converting them into cash. Now he has a business but no operating capital so he puts money into the business in the form of a loan which enough to see us pay wages and buy players and get promotions and then when the club is on a more sound footing that loan can be converted to equity for a number of reasons but probably to reduce net debt and help us meet FFP regulations. So basically his initial loan got us back to being a well-funded operation but it was then up to the playing staff to get results, which is indirectly the same as pumping money into a club of similar size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 Bournemouth's has been greater to a point, but I can't see them consolidating a Premier League place, much less push on and qualify for Europe. I think their rise has just about peaked. Perhaps ours has too, but it peaked higher up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 They'll catch a few teams by surprise early on - I firmly expect them to beat Villa on Saturday - but in the end I reckon they won't have enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 But then what about wages and other operating costs? As has been mentioned' date=' our owner wrote off tens of millions of debt on the journey. We have spent lots of money to get the club where it is today. We talk a lot about self-sustaining these days, but the journey saw us spend lots of money we didn't generate through normal revenue.[/quote'] I dunno, think we've had a pretty sustainable business model where we sell the first team for huge profits, stick to low wages for the prem and bank net transfer profits and 2 years of tv revenues.... We aren't even investing the transfer spend into the team let alone the tv monies... so clearly balancing the books. All part of the 5 year plan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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