Contempt For The Fans

[70's Mike]

It was just a comment in the Annual Report which seemed to suggest that money would be found in the last resort

 

Also in the current economic conditions banks have been told to try and protect small businesses

 

Agreed which reinforces my view that Rupert is spinning the no money card and that the half year accounts to December will show some sort of improvement to show how clever he is

[John B]

explain to me how we get out of this spiral without getting the crowds back , because drafting in other clubs youth team rejects is not working.

Let Lowe, Crouch and co buy 2 players who add 3k to the gate , we start winning and build momentum because without it this club is in its death throws.

 

The start winning phrase is the one that worries me.

 

 

There is no guarantees in football and the wages have to be paid.

 

 

WE bought in lots of players a couple of years ago and they did not help us to win many games

[70's Mike]

The start winning phrase is the one that worries me.

 

 

There is no guarantees in football and the wages have to be paid.

 

 

WE bought in lots of players a couple of years ago and they did not help us to win many games

 

nor is the current policy and it is driving the fans away .

it is no good taking a million of costs IF that policy is losing you 2 million in income

[John B]

Agreed which reinforces my view that Rupert is spinning the no money card and that the half year accounts to December will show some sort of improvement to show how clever he is

 

I dont think he is doing a bad job.

 

If we had sold Rasiak Saga Thomas and had a settled team

 

with say John and Svennson Holmes and Schnerdlin fully fit and playing in most games and a little luck I dont think we would be in the relegation zone now

[Legod Third Coming]

I dont think he is doing a bad job.

 

If we had sold Rasiak Saga Thomas and had a settled team

 

with say John and Svennson Holmes and Schnerdlin fully fit and playing in most games and a little luck I dont think we would be in the relegation zone now

 

There's not a man alive more optimistic than me.

 

But the last sentence is patent nonsense. We are where we deserve to be. Yes you can be lucky - and unlucky.

 

But our best outfield player has been an on-loan Chelsea midfielder we have played at centre-back for half the games this season.

 

That is a sad, sad reflection on where our squad and club is.

 

That we will now be without Cork scares me to death.

 

Our players are not good enough yet to sustain us in this division. Our manager lacks the experience to know what's required.

 

But above all our strategy is wholly flawed.

 

We need youth AND experience. We have youth and inexperience.

 

Saving costs is all well and good, but in business there is TURNAROUND and there is DELAYING the inevitable.

 

And in the current regime I see no evidence of where an increase in revenue is coming. No efforts to engage with fans. No efforts to raise capital with or without fans. No efforts to seek outside investment by brokering agreements across the shareholding.

 

I could do a better job of running SFC. Genuinely I could.

[um pahars]

WE bought in lots of players a couple of years ago and they did not help us to win many games

 

We actually won 21 games in the season after the big spend.

 

So far this season we have won 5.

[John B]

There's not a man alive more optimistic than me.

 

But the last sentence is patent nonsense. We are where we deserve to be. Yes you can be lucky - and unlucky.

 

But our best outfield player has been an on-loan Chelsea midfielder we have played at centre-back for half the games this season.

 

That is a sad, sad reflection on where our squad and club is.

 

That we will now be without Cork scares me to death.

 

Our players are not good enough yet to sustain us in this division. Our manager lacks the experience to know what's required.

 

But above all our strategy is wholly flawed.

 

We need youth AND experience. We have youth and inexperience.

 

Saving costs is all well and good, but in business there is TURNAROUND and there is DELAYING the inevitable.

 

And in the current regime I see no evidence of where an increase in revenue is coming. No efforts to engage with fans. No efforts to raise capital with or without fans. No efforts to seek outside investment by brokering agreements across the shareholding.

 

I could do a better job of running SFC. Genuinely I could.

 

You may well think you could run the club better but if you could you would probably not be on here.

 

 

I am sorry but the club is in a terrible state and changing direction after only a few months is not a good idea.

 

I dont care if we get relegated we were in the Third Division when I started being interested in Southampton so I will always support them.

 

What I care about is that the club gets onto a sound financial footing and moves forward from there it is going to take sometime and it is not going to be easy but the move forward has started.

[um pahars]

Whilst Mike is probably right that the major shareholders probably could raise £5m between them, the fact remains that the club has to earn enough income to cover its outgoings or it is not viable.

 

Many clubs operate at an operational loss, and then fund the deficit throught player sales over a short to mid term period. I actually don't think we will be able to get to a position where income will cover our costs, particularly with such low crowds.

 

Increasing costs through more borrowing and more spending on players would make the financial position worse, not better.

 

It all depends on the terms of how the money is put in and how it is spent. If it is in the form of new shares or gratis from the Directors then there it does not affect the borrowing.

 

And if it was spent on two, three or four quality players and covered their salaries then it's impact on the cost base would be covered.

 

Professional football can suck up every penny put into it by directors and other backers

 

Absolutely, no problem wth that, you could spend an infinite amount of money on a football team, but as with others i just wonder if something has to be done to break this circle of shyyt3.

 

with no guarantees that more spending will improve performances.

 

There are no gaurantees, but I think it's safe to say that a decent team and a decent manager will win more games than a shower of shyiet on and off the pitch.

 

At a time when the directors other investments must have fallen in value due to the recession it really is not realistic to believe that anyone is going to spend the club out of trouble.

 

You definitely have a point there, although of course there is talk that one large shareholder is prepared to cough up 2 million. I don't think people are expecting a Man City spending spree, but I do wonder as to whether even that amount could allow us to be shrewd with a new manager and a couple of influential signings.

 

Maybe the answer is just to hand the board over to some of the ultra crital posters on here, who could then sack the mananger and the coaching staff and show us all how it should be done!

 

Well I don't think many would make the stupid mistake of kicking out Pearson and bringing in a non entity from the Dutch lower leagues.

[John B]

We actually won 21 games in the season after the big spend.

 

So far this season we have won 5.

 

But it nearly bankrupted us didnt it?

 

 

Yes bring in players when we can afford to do so

[um pahars]

But it nearly bankrupted us didnt it?

 

At the end of that season costs had been reduced and the net debt was at its lowest point for years at sub 20 million, and we were are still here today.

 

Our current policy and relegation will take us much claoser to bankruptcy.

[eelpie]

lets say his loan was up 31st dec...which is highly possible..

with the new year and hols and weekend..it is quite possible that someone in the chain that deals with registrations has not been there at work..?

 

Shocking, and so inefficient, that I just can't believe it could happen without Rupert's knowledge. He has had days to organise Saga's availability for this important match.

Imagine Arsenal, Chelsea or any half decently run club making this mistake? No way.

 

No wonder conspiracy theories surround Lowe's SFC.

[Legod Third Coming]

You may well think you could run the club better but if you could you would probably not be on here.

 

 

I am sorry but the club is in a terrible state and changing direction after only a few months is not a good idea.

 

I dont care if we get relegated we were in the Third Division when I started being interested in Southampton so I will always support them.

 

What I care about is that the club gets onto a sound financial footing and moves forward from there it is going to take sometime and it is not going to be easy but the move forward has started.

 

I see, so CEOs are not allowed Saturday's off...

 

To answer your points in turn.

 

1. After a few days of Operation Market Garden, Montgomery realised his plan was not working and had to withdraw. Do you advocate that he should have carried on despite evidence that the plan was flawed?

 

2. Getting relegated with our infrastructure will most likely plunge the club into adminsitration. This will blow your financial sustainability model out of the water. There will be no TV income, ticket revenue will halve, commercial sales will halve. What then?

 

3. When we were relegated to this Division, people talked about the opportuntiy to regroup, start winning again, get that winning mentality back. I know of no organisation that thinks failure is the springboard for success. Staving of failure is the start. Your view on moving forward? From where? We are the 2nd worst team in the league.

[Under Weststand]

You may well think you could run the club better but if you could you would probably not be on here.

 

 

I am sorry but the club is in a terrible state and changing direction after only a few months is not a good idea.

 

I dont care if we get relegated we were in the Third Division when I started being interested in Southampton so I will always support them.

 

What I care about is that the club gets onto a sound financial footing and moves forward from there it is going to take sometime and it is not going to be easy but the move forward has started.

John you write a lot of sense most of the time. However how you can say we've started moving forward is beyond me, we are going backwards at an alarming rate & I would have no confidence that we would start next season off in Division 3(League-1) in a decent fashion, as relegation would also lead to another loss in finances. The only way our position financially will be improved is when they start to get it right on the pitch, the 2 go hand in hand.

[John B]

John you write a lot of sense most of the time. However how you can say we've started moving forward is beyond me, we are going backwards at an alarming rate & I would have no confidence that we would start next season off in Division 3(League-1) in a decent fashion, as relegation would also lead to another loss in finances. The only way our position financially will be improved is when they start to get it right on the pitch, the 2 go hand in hand.

 

 

Yes I agree with what you are saying we have to get it right on the field first

 

I did have a longer response but the broadband went down and I lost it

[John B]

I see, so CEOs are not allowed Saturday's off...

 

To answer your points in turn.

 

1. After a few days of Operation Market Garden, Montgomery realised his plan was not working and had to withdraw. Do you advocate that he should have carried on despite evidence that the plan was flawed?

 

2. Getting relegated with our infrastructure will most likely plunge the club into adminsitration. This will blow your financial sustainability model out of the water. There will be no TV income, ticket revenue will halve, commercial sales will halve. What then?

 

3. When we were relegated to this Division, people talked about the opportuntiy to regroup, start winning again, get that winning mentality back. I know of no organisation that thinks failure is the springboard for success. Staving of failure is the start. Your view on moving forward? From where? We are the 2nd worst team in the league.

 

I apologise for my smart alick remard regarding your ability to run the club.

 

I did have a longer response to you and under weststand but the broadband went down and I lost it

 

I may respond again when I get back

[eelpie]

Today's Echo says Saga is available to play. Others say he didn't get international clearance. Who is right?

[SaintRobbie]

Phil Thompson on SSN 15 mins ago, with specific regard to the Southampton situation, just reminded us that the fans are all that matter.

 

Got my vote.

[Mole]

Phil Thompson on SSN 15 mins ago, with specific regard to the Southampton situation, just reminded us that the fans are all that matter.

 

Got my vote.

 

No you've got it wrong. SFC is not an ordinary club. At Saints Rupert Lowes ego is all that matters.

[Weston Super Saint]

Today's Echo says Saga is available to play. Others say he didn't get international clearance. Who is right?

 

The OS says Aalbourg didn't transfer the registration in time for the FA to accept it, and they NEVER lie

[Minsk]

The start winning phrase is the one that worries me.

 

 

There is no guarantees in football and the wages have to be paid.

 

 

WE bought in lots of players a couple of years ago and they did not help us to win many games

 

We didn't win many games? No, only enough to get within a penalty shoot-out of the play-off final.

 

If we were doing that well this year I guarantee you our match-day sales would be far better than they currently are.

[Snowballs2]

The man who treats the fans with the most disdain id Wilde...he knows Lowe should go, but, he is such a spiteful boy he will not talk to Crouch. How petty can you get.

[ottery st mary]

Lowey and Wildey have utter contempt for Saints fans but they do not know just how much contempt I have for them.

 

Wildey do something good for a change and get rid of the buffoon and his Lavender Hill Mob..You know it makes sense...You owe it to us Saints fans.