Gemmel Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 This has been mentioned on other threads, but more a general post as to how the club treat its fans. Tonight we learnt that Saga didn't get international clearance in time to play on Sunday. So for my money that is either incredible in competancy from the board or pure bull****. It might well be he is on a game bonus that we cant afford - so tell us, but no, it just gets wrapped it spin and ******** as per usual. In his resignation year lowe went to great lengths to assure us that Graham had complete editorial control of the OS. Less than 3 hours after he resigned, Hiley put the record straight and confirmed lowe was bull****ting out of his arse. Lowe really thinks we are that stupid..........we are football fans so we must be. Saga is now on our wage bill, and will not be playing, but will still be paid. If the genuine reason is that international clearance wasnt gained in time, then those that didnt make that happen should be sacked. Think back to when Gordan Brown assured us all the reason he wasn't calling an election (After breifing the entire press) had nothing to do with the Conservative surge in the polls . It's insulting that they think we will fall for their bull****. I love this club, just don't understand why those in charge, want to constantly lie and bull**** to the very people it serves.
NickG Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 think this is done at length on the Saga thread, answer lies somewhere in conspricacy / saving money / Allborg considering hanging on to him / trying to move him elsewhere / only had bank holiday since loan ended??
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 This has been mentioned on other threads, but more a general post as to how the club treat its fans. Tonight we learnt that Saga didn't get international clearance in time to play on Sunday. So for my money that is either incredible in competancy from the board or pure bull****. It might well be he is on a game bonus that we cant afford - so tell us, but no, it just gets wrapped it spin and ******** as per usual. In his resignation year lowe went to great lengths to assure us that Graham had complete editorial control of the OS. Less than 3 hours after he resigned, Hiley put the record straight and confirmed lowe was bull****ting out of his arse. Lowe really thinks we are that stupid..........we are football fans so we must be. Saga is now on our wage bill, and will not be playing, but will still be paid. If the genuine reason is that international clearance wasnt gained in time, then those that didnt make that happen should be sacked. Think back to when Gordan Brown assured us all the reason he wasn't calling an election (After breifing the entire press) had nothing to do with the Conservative surge in the polls . It's insulting that they think we will fall for their bull****. I love this club, just don't understand why those in charge, want to constantly lie and bull**** to the very people it serves. lets say his loan was up 31st dec...which is highly possible.. with the new year and hols and weekend..it is quite possible that someone in the chain that deals with registrations has not been there at work..?
harvey Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 lets say his loan was up 31st dec...which is highly possible.. with the new year and hols and weekend..it is quite possible that someone in the chain that deals with registrations has not been there at work..? Is that what you REALLY think............or are you on a wind up ?
Gemmel Posted 3 January, 2009 Author Posted 3 January, 2009 lets say his loan was up 31st dec...which is highly possible.. with the new year and hols and weekend..it is quite possible that someone in the chain that deals with registrations has not been there at work..? TDD i dont always agree with your opinion, but quite like your posts. If what you have is written is true, then i would expect the Saints contact to be sacked tomorrow. This is one of our most expensive assets. Knowing that his loan came to an end in December and the fragile state of or cub, anybody that hasn't got this sorted by early December, should be sacked. There is no excuses. And given that international clearance is a 30 sec fax, i would much rather the club front it up and explain we cant afford to play him. They think we are retards.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Is that what you REALLY think............or are you on a wind up ? erm...it is quite possible... loans (due to salary payments) can and do oftern run until the last day of the month...until that day, that club will hold the playing registration for that player...unfortunately for saints...we have hit a bank holiday and a weekend in one go...so those who do..would not be at work in UEFA... quite possible...not saying I think that is the case..but want to put another view out there as just blindly putting the boot into the club for every little thing is embarassing and boring
Bailey Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Was having a similar discussion earlier, saying how much I hate all the lies and bull**** that the fans are supposed to believe. Even from that lot down the road, saying that Defoe is 'ill' today and so missed training. I think everyone knows Defoe wants to go and just won't train until he's been sold, but why not just say that? As for the Saga thing, well I think that they may be preventing him from being cup-tied so that any potential suitors aren't put off. Still, I'd rather the club just owned up and admitted this. All the lies are just boring and most fans are able to see through them!
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 TDD i dont always agree with your opinion, but quite like your posts. If what you have is written is true, then i would expect the Saints contact to be sacked tomorrow. . why...what if someone at UEFA is not at work..? there is not alot we can do when the world is on a holiday for a day or so.. in some countries (scotland for one) the 2nd of January is also a bank holiday... just saying like..
harvey Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 erm...it is quite possible... loans (due to salary payments) can and do oftern run until the last day of the month...until that day, that club will hold the playing registration for that player...unfortunately for saints...we have hit a bank holiday and a weekend in one go...so those who do..would not be at work in UEFA... quite possible...not saying I think that is the case..but want to put another view out there as just blindly putting the boot into the club for every little thing is embarassing and boring This is what I admire about you DD.........you are a top class baiter
Pilchards Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 One man is standing in the way of our club becoming a great again. That ****ing Rupert Lowe who runs the whole thing. If only we could just get him to **** off and bring in the barrister and his money then we could chase an outside chance of the playoffs. ****ed off with that ego minded bull****ting **** that thinks im just a customer that likes to be fed ******s all the time. NO MORE DUCK ****, NO FKUCKING MORE!!!
um pahars Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 why...what if someone at UEFA is not at work..? there is not alot we can do when the world is on a holiday for a day or so.. in some countries (scotland for one) the 2nd of January is also a bank holiday... just saying like.. And picking this up from the other thread: A little birdy tells me that it's the receiving association (ie our FA) that would have been contacted frst by us to initiate the return of the International Transfer Certificate. They would then get in touch with the Danish FA to get it returned. Here's something I got earlier in an e mail from an administrator in the game who is somewhat perplexed that the paperwork has not been sorted!!!! "On expiry of the loan, the ITC should be returned by the Norwegian FA to the FA, as long as we SFC have requested it. With a loan this is a formality as everyone should be well aware when the loan would expire. This should happen very quickly and probably within the same day if it has been requested." Something just doesn't add up for me. Bristol City have managed it in a day with their new Slovakian striker, but we can't manage to arrange it having known from the off that the loan would come to an end on 31/12/08.
Gemmel Posted 3 January, 2009 Author Posted 3 January, 2009 why...what if someone at UEFA is not at work..? there is not alot we can do when the world is on a holiday for a day or so.. in some countries (scotland for one) the 2nd of January is also a bank holiday... just saying like.. If UEFA and the rest of the world are still on holiday, then i would expect the Saints contact to know that. We are dealing with one of our prized assets here, whos wages play a big part in whether we do or dont go into administration. Please dont tell me that nobody bothered to check.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 And picking this up from the other thread: A little birdy tells me that it's the receiving association (ie our FA) that would have been contacted frst by us to initiate the return of the International Transfer Certificate. They would then get in touch with the Danish FA to get it returned. Here's something I got earlier in an e mail from an administrator in the game who is somewhat perplexed that the paperwork has not been sorted!!!! "On expiry of the loan, the ITC should be returned by the Norwegian FA to the FA, as long as we SFC have requested it. With a loan this is a formality as everyone should be well aware when the loan would expire. This should happen very quickly and probably within the same day if it has been requested." Something just doesn't add up for me. Bristol City have managed it in a day with their new Slovakian striker, but we can't manage to arrange it having known from the off that the loan would come to an end on 31/12/08. maybe your source is wrong...maybe..? what i think, that we cant afford to pay him is playing bonus this game...instead we have got the likes of ryan smith signed on...woooohooo
um pahars Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 If UEFA and the rest of the world are still on holiday, then i would expect the Saints contact to know that. We are dealing with one of our prized assets here, whos wages play a big part in whether we do or dont go into administration. Please dont tell me that nobody bothered to check. And with a potential pay day of a million pounds if we managed to sneak a replay, you would like to think that all stops had been pulled out if we want him to feature (and it's not like we've been scoring for fun recently).
Gemmel Posted 3 January, 2009 Author Posted 3 January, 2009 what i think, that we cant afford to pay him is playing bonus this game...instead we have got the likes of ryan smith signed on...woooohooo I agree.......so why the bullsiht This club is nothing more than a ****ing contest. Lowe thinks you are that stupid you will believe whatever your'e told. This isnt a lowe out thread, but just a reminder of what he did before and how gullible he thinks every football fan is. Complete contempt for his customers
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 I agree.......so why the bullsiht This club is nothing more than a ****ing contest. Lowe thinks you are that stupid you will believe whatever your'e told. This isnt a lowe out thread, but just a reminder of what he did before and how gullible he thinks every football fan is. Complete contempt for his customers to be fair..imagine the fecking uproar if he was honest and came out and said (in the press/OS) "Marek Saganowski will not be playing against Man Utd as the chances of the team realistically winning are 1-5% and the cost of his playing bonus is not worth spending...the risk/reward potential is non existant".. you could imagine all of us going mental at that...jesus, we went mental over a picture on a wall... you get me..?
harvey Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Maybe this has some substance..........Pat seems to know what he's talking about http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.forum.posts.php?id_t=88252#4
Fan The Flames Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 lets say his loan was up 31st dec...which is highly possible.. with the new year and hols and weekend..it is quite possible that someone in the chain that deals with registrations has not been there at work..? Ha ha ha, the transfer window opens across Europe and everyone is on holiday.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 seriously, though..what do you want to hear...? as the truth (the snippets we get) send some of you into meltdown.. the very mention of lowe sends you stupid and as soon as a word is mis-spelt on the OS lowe is immediately slaughtered.. lets say the club was honest and said.."we are fecking broke" the only players we can afford are frees who are litterally teenagers and players like ryan smith.. I wonder what the reaction would be....I think we all know saying this about sagga is quite obviously, the lesser of two evils...and I suspect, if you thought about it, you know it is true too..
Fan The Flames Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 How many clubs can you be registered with in a season, is it two. So if we take him back he stays until the summer, is that right.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 How many clubs can you be registered with in a season, is it two. So if we take him back he stays until the summer, is that right. i think loans are different..
Fan The Flames Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 seriously, though..what do you want to hear...? as the truth (the snippets we get) send some of you into meltdown.. the very mention of lowe sends you stupid and as soon as a word is mis-spelt on the OS lowe is immediately slaughtered.. lets say the club was honest and said.."we are fecking broke" the only players we can afford are frees who are litterally teenagers and players like ryan smith.. I wonder what the reaction would be....I think we all know saying this about sagga is quite obviously, the lesser of two evils...and I suspect, if you thought about it, you know it is true too.. Just say it as it is, what are they afraid of, or even "Saga has no place in Jans plans for the forthcoming season and we are looking for another club to loan him out too" they could even slag him off a bit if it helps.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Just say it as it is, what are they afraid of, or even "Saga has no place in Jans plans for the forthcoming season and we are looking for another club to loan him out too" they could even slag him off a bit if it helps. so, they could be lying again? what if the truth is that we cant afford him...seriously, and that is what people want lowe/the club to say in public..in the press on the OS..?? jesus, the ****ing fallout of such annoucement would be unbearable
Gemmel Posted 3 January, 2009 Author Posted 3 January, 2009 seriously, though..what do you want to hear...? as the truth (the snippets we get) send some of you into meltdown.. the very mention of lowe sends you stupid and as soon as a word is mis-spelt on the OS lowe is immediately slaughtered.. lets say the club was honest and said.."we are fecking broke" the only players we can afford are frees who are litterally teenagers and players like ryan smith.. I wonder what the reaction would be....I think we all know saying this about sagga is quite obviously, the lesser of two evils...and I suspect, if you thought about it, you know it is true too.. To be honest mate, i'd rather they told us straight. Most fans understand the financial restrictions we are under and if we can't afford to play him, so be it. But the constant biullsti and spin, insults my (limited) intelligence and keeps me from watching the club i love.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 To be honest mate, i'd rather they told us straight. Most fans understand the financial restrictions we are under and if we can't afford to play him, so be it. But the constant biullsti and spin, insults my (limited) intelligence and keeps me from watching the club i love. do you know what..i dont think WE do...I really dont.. you only have to look at this place to get a small but good cross section of the fan base..and some of the things used to bash lowe with are ridiculous...and some of the suggestions are ridiculous.... yeah, I know lowe needs to go and his decisions are odd to say the least..but to say we (or most fans) understand the financial restrictions is wide of the mark IMO you only have to look at the outrage displayed by most at the mention of losing a player....(high earner)
Fan The Flames Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 so, they could be lying again? what if the truth is that we cant afford him...seriously, and that is what people want lowe/the club to say in public..in the press on the OS..?? jesus, the ****ing fallout of such annoucement would be unbearable No saying international clearance is not through is lying, saying he is not part of Jans plans is just dressing up. There is a world of difference. We are eant to be in the **** financially, so why hide that fact, would there really be uproar.
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 No saying international clearance is not through is lying, saying he is not part of Jans plans is just dressing up. There is a world of difference. We are eant to be in the **** financially, so why hide that fact, would there really be uproar. hmmm imagine the rumour was true...we had to loan out kelvin to save money..im sure he is one of the bigger earners around at the mo.. do you really think that a majority on here would see the reason behind it...or ****ing slate lowe/the club? you and I both know the answer...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 hmmm imagine the rumour was true...we had to loan out kelvin to save money..im sure he is one of the bigger earners around at the mo.. do you really think that a majority on here would see the reason behind it...or ****ing slate lowe/the club? you and I both know the answer... Massive shove on the goalposts from a player who has not featured this season and not expected back to one who has kept us fro being adrift at the bottom. The club is bull****ting, you don't mind but I do. What if it was Crouch lying, hmmmm
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Massive shove on the goalposts from a player who has not featured this season and not expected back to one who has kept us fro being adrift at the bottom. The club is bull****ting, you don't mind but I do. What if it was Crouch lying, hmmmm you only have to look at the "dyer to swansea" thread to see that many are livid with that decision...probably even a less of a bit part player than sagga...
Saint in Paradise Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 As All authorites / Clubs know that Saga is a Saints player who was only on loan to another club why does he need to have this re-registration in writing before he can play ? He wasn't being bought from that Danish club.
Give it to Ron Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 do you know what..i dont think WE do...I really dont.. you only have to look at this place to get a small but good cross section of the fan base..and some of the things used to bash lowe with are ridiculous...and some of the suggestions are ridiculous.... yeah, I know lowe needs to go and his decisions are odd to say the least..but to say we (or most fans) understand the financial restrictions is wide of the mark IMO you only have to look at the outrage displayed by most at the mention of losing a player....(high earner) I don't think many are denying we are broke but it 's when we continually waste what little wehave on players like Smith, Pekhart, Gasmi, Forecast(although Kelvin will go soon IMO), Pulis that ****es most of us off and then let what decent we have left go is sometimes the straw that breaks the camels back. What will Smith bring that Jake Thomson, McLaggon, Gobern wont? We have plenty of left sided at the moment - we even had to shoehorn Smith in on the right last week - yet we are fed bull**** on the OS about having plenty of wingers - OK name the right wingers . I bet you can name the left wing.
alpine_saint Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 lets say his loan was up 31st dec...which is highly possible.. with the new year and hols and weekend..it is quite possible that someone in the chain that deals with registrations has not been there at work..? I for one think that is bolllocks, TDD. But let's see what excuse not to play him is wheeled out next week, eh ? That should go some way to indicate (confirm) we are being bulllshiiitted this week. That's why I think he will be gone by the end of next week. The clock is ticking... Who thinks the next club to loan out Saga (if abroad) will have "international clearance" issues if THEY want to play him immediately ??? :rolleyes:
N/West Saint Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 If we cant afford to play him when we have full house against Manure when will we be able to afford to play him?
georgeg Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 One man is standing in the way of our club becoming a great again. That ****ing Rupert Lowe who runs the whole thing. If only we could just get him to **** off and bring in the barrister and his money then we could chase an outside chance of the playoffs. ****ed off with that ego minded bull****ting **** that thinks im just a customer that likes to be fed ******s all the time. NO MORE DUCK ****, NO FKUCKING MORE!!![/quote beautifully put!! -if only pilchards - if only - lets hope we can finally rid ourselves of lowe and his cronies asap
70's Mike Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 I don't think many are denying we are broke but it 's when we continually waste what little wehave on players like Smith, Pekhart, Gasmi, Forecast(although Kelvin will go soon IMO), Pulis that ****es most of us off and then let what decent we have left go is sometimes the straw that breaks the camels back. What will Smith bring that Jake Thomson, McLaggon, Gobern wont? We have plenty of left sided at the moment - we even had to shoehorn Smith in on the right last week - yet we are fed bull**** on the OS about having plenty of wingers - OK name the right wingers . I bet you can name the left wing. Sums it up for me, it is not about being broke BUT how we are spending what we have. ExACTLY AS IN 2003 WE are buying players who are no better than what we have
Chez Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 you lot actually want the club to be honest and say "we are so hard up that we can't even afford Saga's wages at this point, so we are trying our hardest to offload him ASAP. Needless to say we don't want him cup tied or injured so he is not playing this weekend." Do that and Surman and Lallana's price comes down another £500,000. I know the accounts are out there but no need to advertise further our problems.
Chez Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 That's why I think he will be gone by the end of next week. The clock is ticking... I think the fact JP said "Saga could be back for the second half of the season" tells you that the club are trying to offload him. In my eyes he is gone unless of course his wages are too high for other ckubs as well.
John B Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Sums it up for me, it is not about being broke BUT how we are spending what we have. ExACTLY AS IN 2003 WE are buying players who are no better than what we have Unfortunately we do not know all the facts although I would have thought Smith to be surplus to our requirements. However he a little more experienced than our other youngsters and may have shown the coaching staff that he has potential. Also our other youngsters maybe going to be loaned out. I would have thought between them JP Wotte Hockaday and Henderson would know what they are doing
trousers Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 lets say his loan was up 31st dec...which is highly possible.. with the new year and hols and weekend..it is quite possible that someone in the chain that deals with registrations has not been there at work..? Forward planning? Call me old fashioned. "Trousers?" "Yes" "You're old fashioned" "Thanks"
John B Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 I think the fact JP said "Saga could be back for the second half of the season" tells you that the club are trying to offload him. In my eyes he is gone unless of course his wages are too high for other ckubs as well. It is because we have been unable to recoup transfer money for John Saga Euell Thomas Skacel and Rasiak we are in the trouble we are. Their involvement at SFC has not been a success in fact a disaster probably sums up their involvement
70's Mike Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Unfortunately we do not know all the facts although I would have thought Smith to be surplus to our requirements. However he a little more experienced than our other youngsters and may have shown the coaching staff that he has potential. Also our other youngsters maybe going to be loaned out. I would have thought between them JP Wotte Hockaday and Henderson would know what they are doing lots of mays, maybe's, and would have thoughts. my concern is the 4 you mentioned are all experienced running a youth team where development can be seen as more important than results but they lack CCC or any other real competitive football experience. I just cannot see what the end policy is meant to be because unless we keep some better players the income will continue to fall and the current policy itself is a major part of the spiral. Whilst i think Administration would be a diaster i am beginning to believe that it is going to happen and that it is just a matter of time. Surely the Owners(Lowe, Wilde, Crouch, Withers, Askham, Richards) could go to the bank and guarantee an overdraft limit increase of say £5m and get some players who could reverse the spiral
um pahars Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 I would have thought between them JP Wotte Hockaday and Henderson would know what they are doing And as a thread pointed out yesterday their first transfer window wasn't particularly successful, in fact it was pretty poor. I also wonder if you have to throw Lowe's name in the mix there, as i would love to know just how much input he has with regards spotting and targeting potential transfer/loan targets.
John B Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 lots of mays, maybe's, and would have thoughts. my concern is the 4 you mentioned are all experienced running a youth team where development can be seen as more important than results but they lack CCC or any other real competitive football experience. I just cannot see what the end policy is meant to be because unless we keep some better players the income will continue to fall and the current policy itself is a major part of the spiral. Whilst i think Administration would be a diaster i am beginning to believe that it is going to happen and that it is just a matter of time. Surely the Owners(Lowe, Wilde, Crouch, Withers, Askham, Richards) could go to the bank and guarantee an overdraft limit increase of say £5m and get some players who could reverse the spiral Yes it is a dilemma but I dont think we will go into administration because of your last point. However injuries do seem to be causing lots of the current day to day problems as we do not seem to have a settled team
70's Mike Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Yes it is a dilemma but I dont think we will go into administration because of your last point. However injuries do seem to be causing lots of the current day to day problems as we do not seem to have a settled team Sorry but i cannot see Lowe and co putting any personal guaratees up and even when we had no injuries we never kept a settled side.
Professor Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 ................... Surely the Owners(Lowe' date=' Wilde, Crouch, Withers, Askham, Richards) could go to the bank and guarantee an overdraft limit increase of say £5m and get some players who could reverse the spiral[/quote'] Whilst Mike is probably right that the major shareholders probably could raise £5m between them, the fact remains that the club has to earn enough income to cover its outgoings or it is not viable. Increasing costs through more borrowing and more spending on players would make the financial position worse, not better. Professional football can suck up every penny put into it by directors and other backers with no guarantees that more spending will improve performances. At a time when the directors other investments must have fallen in value due to the recession it really is not realistic to believe that anyone is going to spend the club out of trouble. Maybe the answer is just to hand the board over to some of the ultra crital posters on here, who could then sack the mananger and the coaching staff and show us all how it should be done!
John B Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 And as a thread pointed out yesterday their first transfer window wasn't particularly successful, in fact it was pretty poor. I also wonder if you have to throw Lowe's name in the mix there, as i would love to know just how much input he has with regards spotting and targeting potential transfer/loan targets. I would have thought Lowe had little or no input. Clubs would be trying to get us to take loan players. This years loan players Smith seems to have impressed the coaching staff Cork and Pearce Good. Robertson was no good but was recruited to get Dyer off our books. Pekhart who appeared to have lots of potential scored lots of goals for a Premiership Reserve side was found wanting like Euell Thomas
John B Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Sorry but i cannot see Lowe and co putting any personal guaratees up and even when we had no injuries we never kept a settled side. It was just a comment in the Annual Report which seemed to suggest that money would be found in the last resort Also in the current economic conditions banks have been told to try and protect small businesses
thelamprey Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 If the coop can get its poorly paid and badly treated workers to come in on ny eve then st marys must really be a s%%t place to work
70's Mike Posted 3 January, 2009 Posted 3 January, 2009 Whilst Mike is probably right that the major shareholders probably could raise £5m between them, the fact remains that the club has to earn enough income to cover its outgoings or it is not viable. Increasing costs through more borrowing and more spending on players would make the financial position worse, not better. Professional football can suck up every penny put into it by directors and other backers with no guarantees that more spending will improve performances. At a time when the directors other investments must have fallen in value due to the recession it really is not realistic to believe that anyone is going to spend the club out of trouble. Maybe the answer is just to hand the board over to some of the ultra crital posters on here, who could then sack the mananger and the coaching staff and show us all how it should be done! explain to me how we get out of this spiral without getting the crowds back , because drafting in other clubs youth team rejects is not working. Let Lowe, Crouch and co buy 2 players who add 3k to the gate , we start winning and build momentum because without it this club is in its death throws.
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