marc_saint Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 With us already 3-0 up and our first Premier League game on Sunday how many would you rest? I'd go with..... Stekelenburg Cedric Caulker Fonte Targett Wanyama Reed Davis Tadic Mane Juanmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Don't think Caulker's available. Pretty sure players have to be registered by the deadline for the round itself, which was last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Don't think Caulker's available. Pretty sure players have to be registered by the deadline for the round itself, which was last Saturday. I thought he was registered last week but just left out of the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 2 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 2 August, 2015 (edited) Don't think Caulker's available. Pretty sure players have to be registered by the deadline for the round itself, which was last Saturday. I watched the BT coverage of the 1st leg yesterday and they said he was available for the 2nd leg . ???? Edited 2 August, 2015 by marc_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 (edited) delete Edited 2 August, 2015 by Hamilton Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint97 Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Stekelenburg Martina, Yoshida, Fonte, Targett Wanyama, Reed JWP, Juanmi, Tadic Long Despite thinking that we'll field a full strength side I'd like to see a much weakened one. Already through, need them to be fresh for a much harder game at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 2 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Don't think Caulker's available. Pretty sure players have to be registered by the deadline for the round itself, which was last Saturday. Guessing the 2nd part was completed to make him eligible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Stek Cedric Fonte Caulker Targett vic reed Juanmi Long Pelle Mane Gazza, Martina, Yoshida, JWP, Davis, Tadic, Rodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Caulker on Solent didnt seem to think he was available for the 2nd leg but would be after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 (edited) Stek Cedric Fonte Yoshi Targett Wanyama Reed Tadic JWP Jay Rod Pelle I'd save Mané for Sunday's game. Edited 2 August, 2015 by Lighthouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Stek Cedric Fonte Yoshi Targett Wanyama Reed Tadic JWP Jay Rod Pelle I'd save Mané for Saturday's game. Jrod will not start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Stek Cedric Fonte Yoshi Targett Wanyama Reed Tadic JWP Jay Rod Pelle I'd save Mané for Saturday's game. JRod will not start, Davis S will start, unless Ron feels we can sit on a 3 goal lead and thus rest Davis for Saturday, which I doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 unless Ron feels we can sit on a 3 goal lead and thus rest Davis for Saturday Why? What's he got on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 I don't think we will play a weakened side at all. Think and hope we will go near to full strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Why? What's he got on? a training session in preparation for the game on Sunday Football matches should be played at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 I don't think we will play a weakened side at all. Think and hope we will go near to full strength. We're going to have to manage the squad this season. As we are sitting on a 3 goal lead I think we can make changes. Arnhem have to attack in the second leg which should give us chances to counter attack at pace for the away goal that would probably kill the tie. So maybe drop Pelle and have Mane, Long and Juanmi as a front three. Arnhem's midfield was pretty lightweight in the 1st leg so maybe rest Victor and play Reed. Probably keep the back four unchanged and play Caulker against Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Judging from the line-up and playing minutes today I cannot see many changes from last Thursday. No one who played 80 or 90 minutes today will play Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Judging from the line-up and playing minutes today I cannot see many changes from last Thursday. No one who played 80 or 90 minutes today will play Thursday. Why not? With a 3-0 lead surely the likes of Long, Rodriguez and JWP who won't start against Newcastle would be better to play versus Vitesse than Mane, Wanyama, Pelle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Why not? With a 3-0 lead surely the likes of Long, Rodriguez and JWP who won't start against Newcastle would be better to play versus Vitesse than Mane, Wanyama, Pelle? Our reserve team got beaten by Sheffield Utd last year, we can't just assume the job is done and put out a reserve team. One or two changes maybe but largely the same team as the home team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 I think considering the lack of intensity this afternoon against Espanyol, which Koeman seemed to be pretty ****ed off with, I wouldn't be taking too many chances with team selection for Thursday. One or two changes, perhaps, but nothing wholesale. Long to start instead of Mané, perhaps, maybe Ward-Prowse instead of Davis, but get the tie sealed, make any necessary changes in the second half. We can take Pellè and Wanyama off at half-time on Thursday if we're one up on the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Our reserve team got beaten by Sheffield Utd last year, we can't just assume the job is done and put out a reserve team. One or two changes maybe but largely the same team as the home team. This, we aren't good enough yet to start messing about in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 2 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Gonna be a roasting hot day in Arnhem on Thursday. 30°c is the current forecast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjurwi Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 I'd go with. Stekelenburg Cedric Yosh Fonte Targett Wanyama Reed Ward-Prowse Tadic Juanmi Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Our reserve team got beaten by Sheffield Utd last year, we can't just assume the job is done and put out a reserve team. One or two changes maybe but largely the same team as the home team. This, we aren't good enough yet to start messing about in Europe. Generally agree, but a three-goal lead is very comfortable. No away goal to worry about either. I can't see Vitesse scoring four, even with a number of changes, so I think we can afford to drop some. Or else, start with a strong team and aim for an early away goal to properly kill the tie, then bring on the subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Gonna be a roasting hot day in Arnhem on Thursday. 30°c is the current forecast We gone be gettin our beers on, gettin our rays on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 We gone be gettin our beers on, gettin our rays on Saints in Europe We're 'avin a party, Bring yer Raybans Bring yer Charlie. Building to be a top day out. Hot sun and all-day drinking, what could go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Can't see Koeman putting out a weakened team but it may not be all the players we would generally regard as first choice but as I see it, that's because there are now some positions where personnel can be rotated without weakening the side. The three goal lead may not make us as invincible as a four-goal lead but it's still a very good cushion an although the mantra is the next game, my guess is that we will might see a slightly laid-back performance in Arnham but a very committed Saints' team at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Generally agree, but a three-goal lead is very comfortable. No away goal to worry about either. I can't see Vitesse scoring four, even with a number of changes, so I think we can afford to drop some. Or else, start with a strong team and aim for an early away goal to properly kill the tie, then bring on the subs. I think that's what'll most likely happen. If we go one up, that means Vitesse need to score 5 in the remainder of the game. Get a first half lead, then we can bring Reed on for Wanyama, Ward-Prowse on for Mané and give the pair of them a rest. Maybe even Fonte if Caulker is available - one thing to note is that Caulker is listed among our squad on the UEFA website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I think I would start with: Stekers Martina Fonte Yoshi Targett Reed Davis JWP Juanmi Long Pelle Bench: Gazza, Soares, McCarthy (Caulker if available), Wanyama, Rodriguez, Mane, Tadic With Bertrand out we are weak at full-back in terms of depth so I don't see any reason to play Cedric and Martina should be capable, especially given the balance of the tie. Likewise we currently have no cover for Wanyama. We should be able to protect a three goal lead without him and I can't see us not-scoring based on Arnhem having a couple of clowns at the back; this effectively means we should have a five goal lead. Mane is our best player and can be on the bench if needed. Ideally we would take a centre back and Targett off at half-time if things are going well. I assume Davis and Pelle will both play at Newcastle so one of those can also come off (probably Davis, as he is likely to get through a lot more running than Pelle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I think considering the lack of intensity this afternoon against Espanyol, which Koeman seemed to be pretty ****ed off with, I wouldn't be taking too many chances with team selection for Thursday. One or two changes, perhaps, but nothing wholesale. Long to start instead of Mané, perhaps, maybe Ward-Prowse instead of Davis, but get the tie sealed, make any necessary changes in the second half. We can take Pellè and Wanyama off at half-time on Thursday if we're one up on the night. If we want an early goal, who is more likely to score, Mane or Long? Mane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Steklenberg Cedric Fonte Yoshi Targett Wanyama Davis Tadic JWP Mane Pelle COYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Guessing the 2nd part was completed to make him eligible? Who are you, and what have you done with MLG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I'd like to see a fair amount of rotation happen. Take advantage of the fact we've got a big lead to ensure key players are fresh for the important first game of the season sunday lunchtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 If we want an early goal, who is more likely to score, Mane or Long? Mane. TBF Long scored in the first leg after only being on the pitch 10 minutes or so. He is perfectly capable of getting another goal. If this game was on a knife edge I'd start Mane but as we are comfortable I'd start Long and keep Mane for Newcastle. If Mane is on the bench we can always bring him on if things look like not going to script. We are going to have to utilise the squad this season if we can't do it at 3-0 up with no away goals in a two legged tie I don't know when we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I think I would start with: Stekers Martina Fonte Yoshi Targett Reed Davis JWP Juanmi Long Pelle Bench: Gazza, Soares, McCarthy (Caulker if available), Wanyama, Rodriguez, Mane, Tadic With Bertrand out we are weak at full-back in terms of depth so I don't see any reason to play Cedric and Martina should be capable, especially given the balance of the tie. Likewise we currently have no cover for Wanyama. We should be able to protect a three goal lead without him and I can't see us not-scoring based on Arnhem having a couple of clowns at the back; this effectively means we should have a five goal lead. Mane is our best player and can be on the bench if needed. Ideally we would take a centre back and Targett off at half-time if things are going well. I assume Davis and Pelle will both play at Newcastle so one of those can also come off (probably Davis, as he is likely to get through a lot more running than Pelle). I would also go for this. Easily capable of a good result and yet allows key players to be fresh for the first PL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 If we want an early goal, who is more likely to score, Mane or Long? Mane. I don't think that's normally our game plan and especially not away from home when we're already 3-0. Some people seem to favour an attacking strategy with 4 or 5 first choice players rested. That's a dangerous game which could leave us 2-0 down very quickly and sitting rather nervous. Play a strong team, perhaps rest one or two attacking players but no more. Keep possession, defend with patience and wait for a chance. An early goal would be nice but a highly frustrating 0-0 (for Vitesse) would get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Given that Stekelenburg, Cedric and S Davis had zero game time yesterday I would imagine they will all play. Add to that those first teamers who only had 45 minutes and I think we have our team for Thursday: Stek Cedric Fonte Yoshida Targett Vic Davis Tadic Mane Pelle Long As others have said, I really can't see anyone who played the full 90 (or even 70) minutes starting Thursday. i.e. JRod, JWP, Martina, Caulker, Juanmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Gazza Martina Caulker McCarthy Debayo Reed JWP Davis Juanmi Long Jay Rod Not being serious btw- but i reckon that team could muster a draw. Isn't that what spurs did- i remember when they made like 7/8 changes for a Europa League tie last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Isn't that what spurs did- i remember when they made like 7/8 changes for a Europa League tie last season. Their backup strikers cost a combined £40m, tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marc_saint Posted 3 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2015 The Saints media team do an excellent job on the whole with some fantastic innovations but why are they always so slow to make announcements!? BT Sport announced on their coverage last Thursday that they would be showing the return leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 BT Sport announced on their coverage last Thursday that they would be showing the return leg They did. But when I checked my planner this morning it was still saying it was showing the West Ham game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 3 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2015 They did. But when I checked my planner this morning it was still saying it was showing the West Ham game. Its been West Ham on one channel and Saints on the other for a few days. Maybe they were just clarifying the channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Its been West Ham on one channel and Saints on the other for a few days. Maybe they were just clarifying the channel. Ah in which case I misread! Just checked the planner again and they are indeed showing both games on BT sport. Lets hope we don't get Garry Preston commentating on our game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Clearly the West Ham is BT's main game on Thursday as it is on their EUROPE channel with time allowed for the build up, whereas our game in on BT Sport 2 , programme starting at 7pm which is the same time as kick off - not quite sure how they'll manage that will just go straight into it i guess. does anyone know how much BT pay per game in these? the club must be pleased having only taken part in one round so far we've had both legs televised plus a full house helping to maximise income from taking part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Not much, I'd have thought, and the amount we get for games televised from the group stage onwards depends on how far we progress and how far other English teams progress, so even if we're shown more than, say, West Ham, if they got further than us in the competition, they'd get a bigger slice of the TV pie (as well as the additional prize money for going further). No particular problem with the West Ham game being their main one, it's all to play for in the second leg of that one whereas in theory ours should be more or less done and dusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Not much, I'd have thought, and the amount we get for games televised from the group stage onwards depends on how far we progress and how far other English teams progress, so even if we're shown more than, say, West Ham, if they got further than us in the competition, they'd get a bigger slice of the TV pie (as well as the additional prize money for going further). No particular problem with the West Ham game being their main one, it's all to play for in the second leg of that one whereas in theory ours should be more or less done and dusted. I assume you weren't at Watford Sept 1980 Steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 get the tie sealed, make any necessary changes in the second half. This is the sensible approach. Get a goal and it really is sealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I assume you weren't at Watford Sept 1980 Steve? Yeah remember that walk in the park second leg game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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