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[hypochondriac]

The sooner Johnson announces his front bench the sooner we can get back to taking the **** out of the Tories.

Have fun with that for five years. Hasn't really worked out well for you during this election.

[whelk]

Worth posting on here too. Nice one Jezza, you definitely won the argument you doddering fool.

 

And don’t forget they had a much better manifesto than the winners

[hypochondriac]

And don’t forget they had a much better manifesto than the winners

The manifesto was so popular on twitter I just don't understand what happened.

[CB Fry]

Carolyn Flint superb on Ridge this morning. Eviscerated the cretin and his coterie.

[hypochondriac]

Carolyn Flint superb on Ridge this morning. Eviscerated the cretin and his coterie.

She would have been a good leader.

[hypochondriac]

It won't happen but someone like Hilary Benn would be good.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It won't happen but someone like Hilary Benn would be good.

 

Don’t talk soft man. The architect of The Benn act brought in to win back Leave voting areas. Great idea......

 

 

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[hypochondriac]

Don’t talk soft man. The architect of The Benn act brought in to win back Leave voting areas. Great idea......

 

 

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He's a million times better speaker than Corbyn and presents himself well which counts for a lot. I take your point though.

[aintforever]

Don’t talk soft man. The architect of The Benn act brought in to win back Leave voting areas. Great idea......

 

 

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But in 5 years time Brexit shouldn’t be an issue, unless of course it’s a disaster in which case he will be proven to be right.

[Batman]

we all know that the it will be a front bench of Long-bailey, Nandy, Phillips and Burgon and probably, Butler.

 

Lots of boxes ticked there and the belief it will keep the 'thicko's' up north happy, whilst not actually changing much.

[Jonnyboy]

He's a million times better speaker than Corbyn and presents himself well which counts for a lot. I take your point though.

 

Why do you even care? You're clearly on the right of politics so you'll never be voting for Labour anyway.

[shurlock]

we all know that the it will be a front bench of Long-bailey, Nandy, Phillips and Burgon and probably, Butler.

 

Lots of boxes ticked there and the belief it will keep the 'thicko's' up north happy, whilst not actually changing much.

 

You’d love a bit of Butler.

[hypochondriac]

Why do you even care? You're clearly on the right of politics so you'll never be voting for Labour anyway.

Apart from when I already have.

[badgerx16]

But in 5 years time Brexit shouldn’t be an issue, unless of course it’s a disaster in which case he will be proven to be right.

We can but hope.

[Jonnyboy]

Apart from when I already have.

 

Well Tony Blair would've been full on for Remain if he'd been PM these last 4 years.

[hypochondriac]

Well Tony Blair would've been full on for Remain if he'd been PM these last 4 years.

What's your point? I vote for who I believe to be best for the country at the time, regardless of their party affiliation.

[Nolan]

Ah Tony Blair...

 

June 13 2001

In a jointly written article with the spanish prime minister, Jose Maria Aznar, in the Financial Times, he said the euro "is changing the face of Europe" and the European Central Bank has delivered low inflation and high growth across the continent.

 

He also stressed the damage done to British business by exchange rate fluctuations.

 

He said: "Europe's economic fundamentals are sound: sounder than they have been for over a generation.

 

Feburary 2 2000

Mr Blair told the Commons that Tory opponents who had ruled out joining the euro in the next parliament were "foolish and backward".

 

He said he would not rule out the possibility of Britain joining the euro in the next parliament and insisted that keeping open the option of joining, subject to a referendum, was in the best interests of the British economy.

[Jonnyboy]

What's your point? I vote for who I believe to be best for the country at the time, regardless of their party affiliation.

 

Presumably you're not one of those who blame Labour for the economic crash of 2008 then?

[hypochondriac]

Ah Tony Blair...

 

June 13 2001

In a jointly written article with the spanish prime minister, Jose Maria Aznar, in the Financial Times, he said the euro "is changing the face of Europe" and the European Central Bank has delivered low inflation and high growth across the continent.

 

He also stressed the damage done to British business by exchange rate fluctuations.

 

He said: "Europe's economic fundamentals are sound: sounder than they have been for over a generation.

 

Feburary 2 2000

Mr Blair told the Commons that Tory opponents who had ruled out joining the euro in the next parliament were "foolish and backward".

 

He said he would not rule out the possibility of Britain joining the euro in the next parliament and insisted that keeping open the option of joining, subject to a referendum, was in the best interests of the British economy.

Yeah he was wrong. Why are you bringing this up?

[Jonnyboy]

Yeah he was wrong. Why are you bringing this up?

 

Because you voted for him?

[hypochondriac]

Because you voted for him?

Every politician anyone has voted for has got things wrong. Why is that in any way relevant to you saying I'd never vote Labour?

[CB Fry]

Ah Tony Blair...

 

June 13 2001

In a jointly written article with the spanish prime minister, Jose Maria Aznar, in the Financial Times, he said the euro "is changing the face of Europe" and the European Central Bank has delivered low inflation and high growth across the continent.

 

He also stressed the damage done to British business by exchange rate fluctuations.

 

He said: "Europe's economic fundamentals are sound: sounder than they have been for over a generation.

 

Feburary 2 2000

Mr Blair told the Commons that Tory opponents who had ruled out joining the euro in the next parliament were "foolish and backward".

 

He said he would not rule out the possibility of Britain joining the euro in the next parliament and insisted that keeping open the option of joining, subject to a referendum, was in the best interests of the British economy.

Well, we didn't join the Euro so what's your point?

 

Gordon Brown kiboshed it, and pretty sure that even Blair knew that if went to a referendum it would get absolutely annihilated. I would have voted to keep the pound all day long and I'm a pretty remainer kind of guy.

 

Not entirely sure what your point is here but bravo for some quotes from nearly twenty years ago.

[CB Fry]

Well Tony Blair would've been full on for Remain if he'd been PM these last 4 years.

Remain would have won if Blair in his pomp was leading it no problem.

[Jonnyboy]

Every politician anyone has voted for has got things wrong. Why is that in any way relevant to you saying I'd never vote Labour?

 

Do you blame Labour for the economic crash of 2008?

[Jonnyboy]

Remain would have won if Blair in his pomp was leading it no problem.

 

You just said Blair couldn't have convinced the country to join the Euro, what makes you so sure that up against Farage and his 4 million or so Remain would've won?

[hypochondriac]

Do you blame Labour for the economic crash of 2008?

This is just bizarre. Again, what is the point you are trying to make here? You're the one who brought up Blair and now you're delving into history to try to talk about the merits and bad points of Tony Blair. Odd.

[Jonnyboy]

This is just bizarre. Again, what is the point you are trying to make here? You're the one who brought up Blair and now you're delving into history to try to talk about the merits and bad points of Tony Blair. Odd.

 

Answer the question!

[hypochondriac]

Answer the question!

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise we were in the business of posing bizarre non-sequiturs and then demanding answers.

 

Have you ever visited South America? Answer the question!

[CB Fry]

You just said Blair couldn't have convinced the country to join the Euro, what makes you so sure that up against Farage and his 4 million or so Remain would've won?

Being that Blair would have only needed to switch less than a million people then yes pretty do-able. I'm not sure if you remember the 2016 referendum but it was quite a close run thing.

 

Blair was a shrewd enough politician to never hold a referendum on the Euro. He would have known he wouldn't win it.

 

And he'd have been right. It's a completely different question, slightly perplexing that you can't even grasp that.

[Jonnyboy]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise we were in the business of posing bizarre non-sequiturs and then demanding answers.

 

Have you ever visited South America? Answer the question!

 

Typical evasive answer. Let's take that as a yes then. Well I didn't vote for Tony Blair so thanks for helping bankrupt the country hypochondriac.

[hypochondriac]

Typical evasive answer. Let's take that as a yes then. Well I didn't vote for Tony Blair so thanks for helping bankrupt the country hypochondriac.

I think this election has broken you Jonnyboy. You need a lie down.

[hypochondriac]

Jonnyboy what do you think of Ash Sarkar and Owen Jones? Do you think it's helpful having them as talking heads for Labour?

[buctootim]

Apologies if already posted but Alistair Campbell pointed out over the weekend that by the time of the next election Tony Blair will be the only Labour leader in over over 50 years to have won an election.

 

The obvious fact that getting elected is the primary goal and how 'pure' or radical your manifesto is should be very much secondary seems to escape so many in Labour.

[Batman]

It will clearly be Long-Bailey taking over.

Don’t forget, like 2017, Labour won the argument last week. Got to keep the project alive

 

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[miserableoldgit]

Close to the truth I think....

 

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[OldNick]

 

I can’t wait for next year

For someone who is 'for the working classes, the trodden upon, the poor etc etc' it is pretty sickening that you are hoping for Brexit/our country to fail, just so that you can be proved right. Are all you lefties unpatriotic and unless it goes to what you believe you need it to go wrong???

I respect your views and know that you are pretty gemmed up on stuff but at times let yourself down, which is a shame.

If you are Gavyn Davies, were you one of Blair Browns advisors who did not question taking the regulation of the City away from the BOE and let them self regulate?.... If so ,that went well.

[shurlock]

For someone who is 'for the working classes, the trodden upon, the poor etc etc' it is pretty sickening that you are hoping for Brexit/our country to fail, just so that you can be proved right. Are all you lefties unpatriotic and unless it goes to what you believe you need it to go wrong???

I respect your views and know that you are pretty gemmed up on stuff but at times let yourself down, which is a shame.

If you are Gavyn Davies, were you one of Blair Browns advisors who did not question taking the regulation of the City away from the BOE and let them self regulate?.... If so ,that went well.

 

Eh?

 

I almost certainly don’t want the country fail but I do want our elected leaders to be honest about the costs and trade-offs of their decisions - that applies as much to Brexit as it did to Labour’s economic agenda. Until they are confronted with reality, they will continue to make promises that cannot be met, fuelling cynicism, ensure that the perfect is enemy of the good and prevent this country from moving in a sensible, realistic direction.

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[OldNick]

Eh?

 

I almost certainly don’t want the country fail but I do want our elected leaders to be honest about the costs and trade-offs of their decisions - that applies as much to Brexit as it did to Labour’s economic agenda. Until they are confronted with reality, they will continue to make promises that cannot be met, fuelling cynicism, ensure that the perfect is enemy of the good and prevent this country from moving in a sensible, realistic direction.

Apologies, as I took it that there was glee in the comment and you were looking forward to coming back after our country had failed. Just shows how wording by all can be seen in many contexts and taken wrongly. Some of us are not wordsmiths (as you often see with mine) and so you can go up the wrong avenue in reply.

[shurlock]

Apologies, as I took it that there was glee in the comment and you were looking forward to coming back after our country had failed. Just shows how wording by all can be seen in many contexts and taken wrongly. Some of us are not wordsmiths (as you often see with mine) and so you can go up the wrong avenue in reply.

 

No worries.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The leadership contest is going to be as funny as ****. Lady Nugee already suing the radiant Caroline Flint. Dopey 9 Pinter Jess thinking of standing, along with Clive (on your knees *****) Lewis, and ITV claims that Lammy is considering it. Oh please, please, let it be so. He’s a male Abbott, not only racist, he’s as thick as pig Shiite.

 

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[Saint86]

It will clearly be Long-Bailey taking over.

Don’t forget, like 2017, Labour won the argument last week. Got to keep the project alive

 

[emoji23]

 

Its not funny though is it. You need a serious opposition party.

 

What we actually have is a momentum puppet party. They control the broader party membership, and they deliberately canvassed for momentum mp's (over marginal seats) in the GE to try and get a momentum majority in the Parliamentary Labour party. They are a bunch of far left anti semetic socialists. And having a laughable opposition allows the government to proceed unopposed in their own agenda (with little chance of repercussions).

 

I hope that if the moderates fail to displace the momentum hold over labour, that they then all upticks and split / leave the party.

[sadoldgit]

It has started already. Keir Starmer has not confirmed that he is standing for leader of the Labour Party yet but already the ever odious Sun has started to smear him. Apparently now it is enough to say that you had working class parents and then going to university and becoming a QC. What a crime.

[sadoldgit]

The leadership contest is going to be as funny as ****. Lady Nugee already suing the radiant Caroline Flint. Dopey 9 Pinter Jess thinking of standing, along with Clive (on your knees *****) Lewis, and ITV claims that Lammy is considering it. Oh please, please, let it be so. He’s a male Abbott, not only racist, he’s as thick as pig Shiite.

 

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It sounds like you are hoping to deflect the laughs from Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Hancock, Gove, Patel etc. Good luck with that Duckie!

[OldNick]

The leadership contest is going to be as funny as ****. Lady Nugee already suing the radiant Caroline Flint. Dopey 9 Pinter Jess thinking of standing, along with Clive (on your knees *****) Lewis, and ITV claims that Lammy is considering it. Oh please, please, let it be so. He’s a male Abbott, not only racist, he’s as thick as pig Shiite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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That is brilliant, politicians eh

[Batman]

Something bizarre watching Corbyn stand up and say the PM has it all wrong.

 

No wonder he is still around, just making sure his crazy project will go on!!!

[Plastic]

Something bizarre watching Corbyn stand up and say the PM has it all wrong.

 

No wonder he is still around, just making sure his crazy project will go on!!!

 

His bullsh1t about maggots in OJ and rat hair in paprika was embarrassing. Even more telling was the chorus of approximately 5 half-hearted cheers when he finished his speech. The rest of the commons found that very amusing.

He needs to go now.

[Wes Tender]

 

It sounds like you are hoping to deflect the laughs from Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Hancock, Gove, Patel etc. Good luck with that Duckie!

 

Just how stupid the electorate must be to believe that Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Hancock, Gove, Patel etc were preferable to Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Thornberry, Lammy, Lewis, Phillips, eh? But there you go, it was the former that they voted for in their droves, even the traditional Labour voters. Strange old world, isn't it? Why don't you stop beating yourself up about it and move on, Soggy?

 

Many more laughs to come from any of that list of candidates for future leader Labour, but as LD says, had Caroline Flint been an option and surrounded herself with like-minded moderates, the party would have already been on the way back in the minds of their voter base.

[shurlock]

Just how stupid the electorate must be to believe that Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Hancock, Gove, Patel etc were preferable to Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Thornberry, Lammy, Lewis, Phillips, eh? But there you go, it was the former that they voted for in their droves, even the traditional Labour voters. Strange old world, isn't it? Why don't you stop beating yourself up about it and move on, Soggy?

 

Many more laughs to come from any of that list of candidates for future leader Labour, but as LD says, had Caroline Flint been an option and surrounded herself with like-minded moderates, the party would have already been on the way back in the minds of their voter base.

 

Caroline Flint

[Wes Tender]

Caroline Flint

 

I speak as a Conservative voter espousing the merits of a potential Labour Leader who might give us a better fight leading HM's Opposition, Gavyn. God knows whose views you represent from your London-centric ivory tower but just as a matter of interest, who would you choose?