hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 If Labour get elected, does anyone on here seriously believe that Jewish people will actually be less safe than they are now? As Duckie would say, what utter pony.The interview tonight has proven that they are slow to take action against those who are blatantly antisemitic. I think antisemitism and wordplay around it will be tolerated to a greater extent under a Corbyn government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 If Labour get elected, does anyone on here seriously believe that Jewish people will actually be less safe than they are now? As Duckie would say, what utter pony.The interview tonight has proven that they are slow to take action against those who are blatantly antisemitic. I think antisemitism and wordplay around it will be tolerated to a greater extent under a Corbyn government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Do you think in the current climate it's acceptable that a labour member is still under investigation after a year and hasn't been suspended after being blatantly antisemitic? No I don't, but I'm slightly relieved that the figure we are talking about refers to 0.0002% of the Labour Membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Do you think in the current climate it's acceptable that a labour member is still under investigation after a year and hasn't been suspended after being blatantly antisemitic? No I don't, but I'm slightly relieved that the figure we are talking about refers to 0.0002% of the Labour Membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 The interview tonight has proven that they are slow to take action against those who are blatantly antisemitic. I think antisemitism and wordplay around it will be tolerated to a greater extent under a Corbyn government. Very similar stuff has been all over the internet about all sorts of ethnic minorities. I see it often and it's generally kipper types boasting about how they aren't politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 The interview tonight has proven that they are slow to take action against those who are blatantly antisemitic. I think antisemitism and wordplay around it will be tolerated to a greater extent under a Corbyn government. Very similar stuff has been all over the internet about all sorts of ethnic minorities. I see it often and it's generally kipper types boasting about how they aren't politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 No I don't, but I'm slightly relieved that the figure we are talking about refers to 0.0002% of the Labour Membership.So then the Jewish defectors from Labour and the Rabbi have a point. Labour haven't been quick and robust with antisemitism like Corbyn tried to claim- there's more than one example of members being let off with a slap on the wrist or being investigated for long periods of time with no action. The evidence Neil read out directly contradicts Jeremy's own narrative on antisemitism. As you have said yourself, that's unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 No I don't, but I'm slightly relieved that the figure we are talking about refers to 0.0002% of the Labour Membership.So then the Jewish defectors from Labour and the Rabbi have a point. Labour haven't been quick and robust with antisemitism like Corbyn tried to claim- there's more than one example of members being let off with a slap on the wrist or being investigated for long periods of time with no action. The evidence Neil read out directly contradicts Jeremy's own narrative on antisemitism. As you have said yourself, that's unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 I think it's tragic and actually in a way slightly antisemitic, that the establishment has weaponised and used smears of antisemitism against a left wing Labour leader to the extend that some Jewish people are now living in fear when previously they weren't. The idea that if Labour get in they are going to start exterminating Jewish citizens of the UK is completely insane and the people driving this fabrication should be ashamed. It’s you who should be ashamed, ashamed of this post. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 I think it's tragic and actually in a way slightly antisemitic, that the establishment has weaponised and used smears of antisemitism against a left wing Labour leader to the extend that some Jewish people are now living in fear when previously they weren't. The idea that if Labour get in they are going to start exterminating Jewish citizens of the UK is completely insane and the people driving this fabrication should be ashamed. It’s you who should be ashamed, ashamed of this post. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Very similar stuff has been all over the internet about all sorts of ethnic minorities. I see it often and it's generally kipper types boasting about how they aren't politically correct.We are talking about Jews here and their belief that the UK will be a less tolerant place for them to live under a Corbyn led government. The evidence of him being slow to act on clear acts of anti semitism in his party before he has even grabbed power doesn't bode well does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Very similar stuff has been all over the internet about all sorts of ethnic minorities. I see it often and it's generally kipper types boasting about how they aren't politically correct.We are talking about Jews here and their belief that the UK will be a less tolerant place for them to live under a Corbyn led government. The evidence of him being slow to act on clear acts of anti semitism in his party before he has even grabbed power doesn't bode well does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 So then the Jewish defectors from Labour and the Rabbi have a point. Labour haven't been quick and robust with antisemitism like Corbyn tried to claim- there's more than one example of members being let off with a slap on the wrist or being investigated for long periods of time with no action. The evidence Neil read out directly contradicts Jeremy's own narrative on antisemitism. As you have said yourself, that's unacceptable. I can only call each case as I find them, but if for example, it's a case of a member vociferously attacking the Israeli government for human rights abuses being defined as antisemitic then I don't see a need for any more than a slap on the wrist. If it's genuine hate speech they should be kicked out of the party and prosecuted as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 So then the Jewish defectors from Labour and the Rabbi have a point. Labour haven't been quick and robust with antisemitism like Corbyn tried to claim- there's more than one example of members being let off with a slap on the wrist or being investigated for long periods of time with no action. The evidence Neil read out directly contradicts Jeremy's own narrative on antisemitism. As you have said yourself, that's unacceptable. I can only call each case as I find them, but if for example, it's a case of a member vociferously attacking the Israeli government for human rights abuses being defined as antisemitic then I don't see a need for any more than a slap on the wrist. If it's genuine hate speech they should be kicked out of the party and prosecuted as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Do you think in the current climate it's acceptable that a labour member is still under investigation after a year and hasn't been suspended after being blatantly antisemitic? And a Holocaust denier received a written warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Do you think in the current climate it's acceptable that a labour member is still under investigation after a year and hasn't been suspended after being blatantly antisemitic? And a Holocaust denier received a written warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 It’s you who should be ashamed, ashamed of this post. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk You're insane or a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 It’s you who should be ashamed, ashamed of this post. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk You're insane or a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 And a Holocaust denier received a written warning. Obviously I haven't watched the interview but how many cases are there in total just to clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 And a Holocaust denier received a written warning. Obviously I haven't watched the interview but how many cases are there in total just to clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 I can only call each case as I find them, but if for example, it's a case of a member vociferously attacking the Israeli government for human rights abuses being defined as antisemitic then I don't see a need for any more than a slap on the wrist. If it's genuine hate speech they should be kicked out of the party and prosecuted as well.He said "Rothschild Zionists run Israel and world governments" a phrase that Corbyn himself admitted (on his fourth try) was anti semitic. Another member questioned the Holocaust and received a written warning and was allowed to continue as a member. In the current climate and with the sensitivities around this issue, it doesn't seem a particularly smart thing to do does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 I can only call each case as I find them, but if for example, it's a case of a member vociferously attacking the Israeli government for human rights abuses being defined as antisemitic then I don't see a need for any more than a slap on the wrist. If it's genuine hate speech they should be kicked out of the party and prosecuted as well.He said "Rothschild Zionists run Israel and world governments" a phrase that Corbyn himself admitted (on his fourth try) was anti semitic. Another member questioned the Holocaust and received a written warning and was allowed to continue as a member. In the current climate and with the sensitivities around this issue, it doesn't seem a particularly smart thing to do does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Obviously I haven't watched the interview but how many cases are there in total just to clarify?They didn't go into overall numbers, Neil simply highlighted two examples of Labour not dealing with blatant antisemitism in the correct way which clearly contradicted Corbyn stating that it was a much stronger process under his leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Obviously I haven't watched the interview but how many cases are there in total just to clarify?They didn't go into overall numbers, Neil simply highlighted two examples of Labour not dealing with blatant antisemitism in the correct way which clearly contradicted Corbyn stating that it was a much stronger process under his leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Do you think in the current climate it's acceptable that a labour member is still under investigation after a year and hasn't been suspended after being blatantly antisemitic? To be fair, Corbyn did say that he believed it had taken a long time due to legal intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Do you think in the current climate it's acceptable that a labour member is still under investigation after a year and hasn't been suspended after being blatantly antisemitic? To be fair, Corbyn did say that he believed it had taken a long time due to legal intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 To be fair, Corbyn did say that he believed it had taken a long time due to legal intervention. Even with lawyers dragging their expensively shod heels to boost their earnings, how long does it take to check if somebody did, or did not, say or write a single sentence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 To be fair, Corbyn did say that he believed it had taken a long time due to legal intervention. Even with lawyers dragging their expensively shod heels to boost their earnings, how long does it take to check if somebody did, or did not, say or write a single sentence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 The interview tonight has proven that they are slow to take action against those who are blatantly antisemitic. I think antisemitism and wordplay around it will be tolerated to a greater extent under a Corbyn government. In which case are we likely to see a greater tolerance of Islamophobia if the Tories get back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 The interview tonight has proven that they are slow to take action against those who are blatantly antisemitic. I think antisemitism and wordplay around it will be tolerated to a greater extent under a Corbyn government. In which case are we likely to see a greater tolerance of Islamophobia if the Tories get back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 I can only call each case as I find them, but if for example, it's a case of a member vociferously attacking the Israeli government for human rights abuses being defined as antisemitic then I don't see a need for any more than a slap on the wrist. If it's genuine hate speech they should be kicked out of the party and prosecuted as well.Given the cases that Jeremy himself said were examples of anti-semitism that haven't been dealt with in the correct manner, do you think it might be a good idea for Corbyn to apologise to the Jewish community who have looked at cases like these and felt at the very least nervousness? It's the fault of the Labour Party for not dealing with these cases properly and causing this anxiety. It seems that the shadow defence spokeswoman believes that an apology would be appropriate under the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 I can only call each case as I find them, but if for example, it's a case of a member vociferously attacking the Israeli government for human rights abuses being defined as antisemitic then I don't see a need for any more than a slap on the wrist. If it's genuine hate speech they should be kicked out of the party and prosecuted as well.Given the cases that Jeremy himself said were examples of anti-semitism that haven't been dealt with in the correct manner, do you think it might be a good idea for Corbyn to apologise to the Jewish community who have looked at cases like these and felt at the very least nervousness? It's the fault of the Labour Party for not dealing with these cases properly and causing this anxiety. It seems that the shadow defence spokeswoman believes that an apology would be appropriate under the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 In which case are we likely to see a greater tolerance of Islamophobia if the Tories get back in?Is there an example of a Conservative member engaging in anti-Muslim bigotry with no action being taken against them in over a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 In which case are we likely to see a greater tolerance of Islamophobia if the Tories get back in?Is there an example of a Conservative member engaging in anti-Muslim bigotry with no action being taken against them in over a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 In which case are we likely to see a greater tolerance of Islamophobia if the Tories get back in? We already have seen greater tolerance of all kinds of bigotry. Some people even got burned alive in their own tower block and nothing has been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 In which case are we likely to see a greater tolerance of Islamophobia if the Tories get back in? We already have seen greater tolerance of all kinds of bigotry. Some people even got burned alive in their own tower block and nothing has been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Is there an example of a Conservative member engaging in anti-Muslim bigotry with no action being taken against them in over a year? Well he got made Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Is there an example of a Conservative member engaging in anti-Muslim bigotry with no action being taken against them in over a year? Well he got made Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 To be fair, Corbyn did say that he believed it had taken a long time due to legal intervention.I'm not sure even the most partisan Corbynites have attempted to suggest that a year is an appropriate amount of time for this to have dragged on with no action. It's just a gaping PR own goal, why would Labour allow this to happen knowing how it makes them look? They either don't care or as Neil suggested, it's a lack of leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 To be fair, Corbyn did say that he believed it had taken a long time due to legal intervention.I'm not sure even the most partisan Corbynites have attempted to suggest that a year is an appropriate amount of time for this to have dragged on with no action. It's just a gaping PR own goal, why would Labour allow this to happen knowing how it makes them look? They either don't care or as Neil suggested, it's a lack of leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Naz Shah has now come out and admitted that Labour have been too slow to deal with accusations. Do you think it would be appropriate for Corbyn to offer an apology to the Jewish people considering it is this inaction during his leadership that have left them feeling the way they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2019 Share Posted 26 November, 2019 Naz Shah has now come out and admitted that Labour have been too slow to deal with accusations. Do you think it would be appropriate for Corbyn to offer an apology to the Jewish people considering it is this inaction during his leadership that have left them feeling the way they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 27 November, 2019 Share Posted 27 November, 2019 Why on earth are people sharing Russia Today videos from people who created the graphic posts that got Naz Shah suspended by the Labour Party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 27 November, 2019 Share Posted 27 November, 2019 Why on earth are people sharing Russia Today videos from people who created the graphic posts that got Naz Shah suspended by the Labour Party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 November, 2019 Share Posted 27 November, 2019 Why on earth are people sharing Russia Today videos from people who created the graphic posts that got Naz Shah suspended by the Labour Party?Because Jonnyboy has zero radar and will swallow any old bullsh it propaganda just as long as it is on the Canary or Sqwarkbox or our comrades in Moscow. Because he is, like, a free thinker and everything. When will people just accept that Jeremy Corbyn has never made a single mistake in his entire life. Also, his interview was a triumph and showed him to be Prime Ministerial because Aaron Bastini said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 November, 2019 Share Posted 27 November, 2019 Why on earth are people sharing Russia Today videos from people who created the graphic posts that got Naz Shah suspended by the Labour Party?Because Jonnyboy has zero radar and will swallow any old bullsh it propaganda just as long as it is on the Canary or Sqwarkbox or our comrades in Moscow. Because he is, like, a free thinker and everything. When will people just accept that Jeremy Corbyn has never made a single mistake in his entire life. Also, his interview was a triumph and showed him to be Prime Ministerial because Aaron Bastini said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 27 November, 2019 Share Posted 27 November, 2019 Well well, evidence has emerged that the Labour Member who was accused of sharing Holocaust denying material actually resigned their membership as soon as they were notified of being investigated. If this is genuine I hope Andrew Neil will apologise. agnipath poem lyrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 27 November, 2019 Share Posted 27 November, 2019 Well well, evidence has emerged that the Labour Member who was accused of sharing Holocaust denying material actually resigned their membership as soon as they were notified of being investigated. If this is genuine I hope Andrew Neil will apologise. agnipath poem lyrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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