All things Labour Party

[buctootim]

Again it's potentially quite a partisan view that a bloke who is also Vice Chairman of the National Fire Sprinkler Network is giving out.

 

You really are an utter utter ****wit with no redeeming features.

 

"The key strength of the Network is its membership which is primarily, though not exclusively, formed from fire and rescue services from across the UK. Through regular meetings and networking, the NFSN had been highly successful in collating, sharing and disseminating pertinent information which is used to promote the wider use of water-based fire suppression systems. It also actively lobbies for the effectiveness of such systems to be more widely appreciated both at local and national levels.

 

The Network remains free from commercial interest with a view that the development and increased application of fire sprinkler technology will be an enhancement of the public good, helping to reduce fire losses within the UK and beyond."

http://www.firesectorfederation.co.uk/membership/members/national-fire-sprinkler-network-nfsn.php

[View From The Top]

Why not take a trip to Venezuela and ask for their opinion of socialism.

 

How about Denmark or Holland for example? Works great there.

[Nolan]

You really are an utter utter ****wit with no redeeming features.

 

"The key strength of the Network is its membership which is primarily, though not exclusively, formed from fire and rescue services from across the UK. Through regular meetings and networking, the NFSN had been highly successful in collating, sharing and disseminating pertinent information which is used to promote the wider use of water-based fire suppression systems. It also actively lobbies for the effectiveness of such systems to be more widely appreciated both at local and national levels.

 

The Network remains free from commercial interest with a view that the development and increased application of fire sprinkler technology will be an enhancement of the public good, helping to reduce fire losses within the UK and beyond."

http://www.firesectorfederation.co.uk/membership/members/national-fire-sprinkler-network-nfsn.php

POTENTIALLY... Use your eyes. Wait for the report.

 

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[Antrimsaint]

May has been a poor Prime Minister and ran a terrible campaign, but is there a single person on this forum that would want Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnel running the country?

Yes me

[shurlock]

POTENTIALLY... Use your eyes. Wait for the report.

 

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I guess you're not jumping to conclusions and blaming Muslims, Ramadan and midnight cooking for the blaze, unlike many of your companions on order-order and a site ou described as balanced and nonpartisan.

[Sour Mash]

Yes me

You'd genuinely be happy with Abbott running the internal security of this country?

 

And McDonnell in-charge of its finances?

[Jonnyboy]

May has been a poor Prime Minister and ran a terrible campaign, but is there a single person on this forum that would want Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnel running the country?

 

Yep!

[John B]

Yes me

 

And me and loads of people in Southampton who voted Labour in large numbers which exceeded the Vote of the Tories in Test and Itchen

[John B]

You'd genuinely be happy with Abbott running the internal security of this country?

 

And McDonnell in-charge of its finances?

 

McDonnell is quite good on Economics so why not especially he is against Austerity which ultimately makes you and me poorer

[Jonnyboy]

Hard to argue with that. It's certainly been an interesting and reasonably successful tactic from labour to try to grab power but it won't do the country much good if they manage to succeed next time.

 

Ooh the big bad dangerous socialism is coming to give the kids school lunches. They'll be wanting the government to help with sprinkler systems in tower blocks next.

[doddisalegend]

How about Denmark or Holland for example? Works great there.

 

The political system of Denmark is that of a multi-party structure, where several parties can be represented in Parliament at any one time. Danish governments are often characterised by minority administrations, aided with the help of one or more supporting parties. This means that Danish politics is based on consensus politics. Since 1909, no single party has had the majority in Parliament.

 

Since*28 November 2016, the Government has consisted of the Liberal Party (Venstre), Liberal Alliance and the Conservative Party (Det Konservative Folkeparti).*Lars Løkke Rasmussen from the Liberal Party*is the Prime Minister.

 

I think things might work a little differently in Denmark you'd need a major change of attitude from UK politicians for this country to work like that.

 

http://denmark.dk/en/society/government-and-politics/

[Sour Mash]

McDonnell is quite good on Economics so why not especially he is against Austerity which ultimately makes you and me poorer

 

Oh well, each to their own, not many Marxists have made good Chancellors.

 

Irrelevant anyway as he's going to resign soon http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-resign-general-election-john-mcdonnell-a7153196.html

Edited 14 June, 2017 by Sour Mash

[hypochondriac]

Ooh the big bad dangerous socialism is coming to give the kids school lunches. They'll be wanting the government to help with sprinkler systems in tower blocks next.

Oh yes free lunches and sprinkler systems was exactly what I was objecting to and nothing to do with the politics of envy, unchecked union power and racking up a ton of new debt. You got me.

[hypochondriac]

And me and loads of people in Southampton who voted Labour in large numbers which exceeded the Vote of the Tories in Test and Itchen

I shouldn't have to state it because it's really obvious but not everyone who voted Labour actually wanted them to run the country.

[shurlock]

Oh yes free lunches and sprinkler systems was exactly what I was objecting to and nothing to do with the politics of envy, unchecked union power and racking up a ton of new debt. You got me.

 

Guess the politics of disgust are more your cup of tea.

[buctootim]

Guess the politics of disgust are more your cup of tea.

 

Its all those bastard youngsters unfairly envying people whose only contribution was being born when governments built houses.

[badgerx16]

I shouldn't have to state it because it's really obvious but not everyone who voted Labour actually wanted them to run the country.

 

 

Presumably the same holds true for the Tories.

[Jonnyboy]

Oh yes free lunches and sprinkler systems was exactly what I was objecting to and nothing to do with the politics of envy, unchecked union power and racking up a ton of new debt. You got me.

 

"Politics of envy" is just a pathetic slogan akin to "strong and stable." If you aren't grateful for unions and the work they do and have done to improve working conditions for all people around the world then you are ignorant. And finally, the Tories have nearly tripled the national debt in 7 years. So in conclusion, you are a gimp.

[benjii]

"Politics of envy" is just a pathetic slogan akin to "strong and stable." If you aren't grateful for unions and the work they do and have done to improve working conditions for all people around the world then you are ignorant. And finally, the Tories have nearly tripled the national debt in 7 years. So in conclusion, you are a gimp.

 

What's your source for that? It looks to me as though national debt, in pure nominal terms, has grown by about 70% since 2010, not 300%.

[hypochondriac]

Presumably the same holds true for the Tories.

Of course but the perception was that Labour weren't getting into power. I know many who voted Labour as a protest vote whilst thinking they had no chance of getting in.

[hypochondriac]

"Politics of envy" is just a pathetic slogan akin to "strong and stable." If you aren't grateful for unions and the work they do and have done to improve working conditions for all people around the world then you are ignorant. And finally, the Tories have nearly tripled the national debt in 7 years. So in conclusion, you are a gimp.

A couple of years ago lenn mcluskey was interviewed on the radio in the middle of a strike. He was asked at what point he would be happy for his members. His reply was that he would never be satisfied and would always fight for his members. That sums up the mindset of many at the top of the unions because it is in their interest to be in a perpetual state of war as it keeps them in a job. It isn't about recognising that unions have a right to exist, it's about the effect of giving them too much power because of people with the thinking of lenn in charge. And I know loads of students voted Labour because they wanted free tuition- an absolutely idiotic thing to pro is in the current financial climate (although I favour free tuition fees for jobs that we actually need like the sciences etc not Mickey mouse subjects like women's studies.)

[Sour Mash]

Presumably the same holds true for the Tories.

Plenty voted for Corbyn not expecting him to get anywhere near no.10. Same can't be said re tories/May.

[shurlock]

A couple of years ago lenn mcluskey was interviewed on the radio in the middle of a strike. He was asked at what point he would be happy for his members. His reply was that he would never be satisfied and would always fight for his members. That sums up the mindset of many at the top of the unions because it is in their interest to be in a perpetual state of war as it keeps them in a job. It isn't about recognising that unions have a right to exist, it's about the effect of giving them too much power because of people with the thinking of lenn in charge. And I know loads of students voted Labour because they wanted free tuition- an absolutely idiotic thing to pro is in the current financial climate (although I favour free tuition fees for jobs that we actually need like the sciences etc not Mickey mouse subjects like women's studies.)

 

Clueless.

[hypochondriac]

Clueless.

Indeed. Lenn mclusky needs replacing.

[Jonnyboy]

Indeed. Lenn mclusky needs replacing.

 

The people in charge of getting a return for a company's shareholders are always going to say basically the same thing. Why would any top level union leader say different unless he wanted the members to vote someone else into the position?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Plenty voted for Corbyn not expecting him to get anywhere near no.10.

 

According to Phillip Collins this was their strategy in the midlands & NE.Tell people on the door step that they can vote for labour because Corbyn can't win.

 

 

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[hypochondriac]

The people in charge of getting a return for a company's shareholders are always going to say basically the same thing. Why would any top level union leader say different unless he wanted the members to vote someone else into the position?

Well then you can recognise the problem of unions that are too powerful. It would be strikes every few weeks.

[melmacian_saint]

I can't help but think that this whole praise of the youth vote is slightly over the top and indeed patronising (contrary to what the left-wing journalists would tell you!).

 

Most of the youth voters are in city constituencies where Labour already performed well. This means that if we draw an average of all the constituencies, they are probably a crucial demographic group in less than half of them.

The key to Labour holding off the Tories across the country was the UKIP vote: pensioners and working class voters that saw its purpose served and decided to back the party that they felt was going to protect them during and after Brexit. After the manifestos came out, the choice was very easy.

 

It will be interesting to see who has to give in. I think Labour now sees urban votes as safe enough for a few deals in parliament to allow for a complete withdrawal. The young, like before, will find themselves neglected, because really they are not a target swing group.

[sadoldgit]

Well then you can recognise the problem of unions that are too powerful. It would be strikes every few weeks.

 

And tanks on the streets no doubt? Tell me, in all of the socialist Governments that we have had in this country, how many have committed genocide? How many people has Harold "Dangerous" Wilson taken out with an AK47? You really do have a very peculiar world view. You probably weren't born when we had the 3 day week. Tory Government and total chaos. Now that was "dangerous."

[OldNick]

And tanks on the streets no doubt? Tell me, in all of the socialist Governments that we have had in this country, how many have committed genocide? How many people has Harold "Dangerous" Wilson taken out with an AK47? You really do have a very peculiar world view. You probably weren't born when we had the 3 day week. Tory Government and total chaos. Now that was "dangerous."

I do recall the Labour government in the 1970's having to go cap in hand to the IMF as we were basically bankrupt

[shurlock]

Well then you can recognise the problem of unions that are too powerful. It would be strikes every few weeks.

 

By contrast, I take it you believe unions being too weak is a problem. Also take it that you're against any concentration of power or monoploy. If so, surprised you're not speaking up against parts of the business community.

[Lord Duckhunter]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EL4JC/status/878659580116578304/video/1

 

If you want a centrist, remain party, go and form your own & get on with it

 

 

 

 

 

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[shurlock]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EL4JC/status/878659580116578304/video/1

 

If you want a centrist, remain party, go and form your own & get on with it

 

 

 

 

 

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Slightly misquoting him, aren't you pal. Maybe you want to try again.

[Nolan]

Slightly misquoting him, aren't you pal. Maybe you want to try again.

So why are left wing and right wing sites reporting those words?

 

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/paul-mason-vs-progress-decide-whether-you-want-to-be-part-of-this-party-full-report/

 

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[shurlock]

So why are left wing and right wing sites reporting those words?

 

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/paul-mason-vs-progress-decide-whether-you-want-to-be-part-of-this-party-full-report/

 

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Couldn't give two f**ks pal - the articles are probably written by the same thick, tribal types as you. Listen to the speech in question: it also referred to illegal wars and privatisation.

Edited 24 June, 2017 by shurlock

[Nolan]

Hypocrite... ⬆️

 

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[shurlock]

Hypocrite... ⬆️

 

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Am afraid I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Johnny Bognor]

Slightly misquoting him, aren't you pal. Maybe you want to try again.

I think he has it spot on...

 

Just fast forward to 4.28 and listen from there... he closes with "form your own party and get on with it"

 

Nothing to do with thick tribal types, me ol' pedigree chum...

Edited 25 June, 2017 by Johnny Bognor

[shurlock]

I think he has it spot on...

 

Just fast forward to 4.28 and listen from there...

 

"If you want a centrist, remain party, go and form your own & get on with it"

 

Nothing to do with thick tribal types, me ol' pedigree chum

 

Wrong again Balders.

 

He never said "If you want a centrist, remain party, go and form your own & get on with it"

 

He said "if you want a centrist party, this is not going to be it for the next ten years. If you want pro-remain party that is in favour of illegal wars and privatisation, form your own party"

 

A difference in emphasis; for starters, he's not saying the party isn't for you if you're a remainer; rather he's saying the party the party isn't for you are a pro-remain and in favour of illegal wars and privatisation.

 

Lord P also omitted what Mason meant by centrism i.e. "in favour of illegal wars and privatisation" - there are many self-styled centrists who definitely oppose illegal wars and are sceptical about the benefits of across-the-board privatisation. Would they be unwelcome?

 

Alas Lord P's lazy and simplistic conflation distorted what Mason said.

Edited 25 June, 2017 by shurlock

[CB Fry]

Me and the guys from the South-East Derbyshire Illegal War Appreciation Society will be passing a motion to decouple our branch from Corbyn's Labour party forthwith.

[shurlock]

Me and the guys from the South-East Derbyshire Illegal War Appreciation Society will be passing a motion to decouple our branch from Corbyn's Labour party forthwith.

 

 

Centrist scum

[hutch]

passing a motion

A popular pastime on this forum.

[Jonnyboy]

The Labour Party under Corbyn didn't seem dead last night at Glastonbury.

 

*Awaits worthless, ill-informed opinions formed from reading a newspapers editorial or comments section*

[buctootim]

Not sure that its Labour that has the biggest problems. At least Labour are struggling to decide between two directions. The Tories are struggling for one. They haven't won a convincing majority since 1992, one win in six elections - and that was with less than 37% of the vote and a majority of 12.

Edited 25 June, 2017 by buctootim

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

The Labour Party under Corbyn didn't seem dead last night at Glastonbury.

 

*Awaits worthless, ill-informed opinions formed from reading a newspapers editorial or comments section*

 

I started this thread predicting that Corbyn would be the death of the Labour party. But right now, in the wake of the election result and the Grenfell Tower disaster, I genuinely believe he might well win a general election - if another was to be held soon that is.

 

He'd be a disaster as PM of course, but that is another matter.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The Labour Party under Corbyn didn't seem dead last night at Glastonbury.

 

*Awaits worthless, ill-informed opinions formed from reading a newspapers editorial or comments section*

 

A rich privileged privately educated white make addressing a middle class predominantly white audience went down well. I particularly liked the pics of him in the ale house, pouring £6 a pint beers for the posh kids. At that price you'd need to be pretty well off to afford many rather than a few. Glastonbury sums up the sterile ****ing boring nature of modern rock n roll & modern socialism perfectly".

 

 

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[Lighthouse]

The Labour Party under Corbyn didn't seem dead last night at Glastonbury.

 

*Awaits worthless, ill-informed opinions formed from reading a newspapers editorial or comments section*

 

Well of course not, that's an audience of almost entirely labour voters.

[Jonnyboy]

Just as predicted.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Well of course not, that's an audience of almost entirely labour voters.

 

Rich middle class white labour voters

 

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

It was the middle classes that turned to Labour in this election, and the working class that turned to the Conservatives (after UKIPs collapse I guess).

 

What a strange country we live in...