All things Labour Party

[Verbal]

Corbyn's 'ten pledges', costed at a cool £500 billion.

 

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/10_pledges

 

He should have them cast in stone. That's never been done before.

 

Interestingly, where Miliband forgot the deficit, Jezza forgets Brexit. And among the ten is a stunning piece of bad writing, which commits the Labour party to "cutting income".

 

On some of the others - certainly the electorally decent ones - he's already been outflanked by, of all people, Theresa May. The rest are for those desirous of unicorns.

[ashnats]

Corbyn's 'ten pledges', costed at a cool £500 billion.

 

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/10_pledges

 

He should have them cast in stone. That's never been done before.

 

Interestingly, where Miliband forgot the deficit, Jezza forgets Brexit. And among the ten is a stunning piece of bad writing, which commits the Labour party to "cutting income".

 

On some of the others - certainly the electorally decent ones - he's already been outflanked by, of all people, Theresa May. The rest are for those desirous of unicorns.

 

In this political age, you don't have to be sensible, logical or honest anymore, you can just lie your face off, and if anyone challenges you, just scoff at them and point out that noone gives a **** about the experts anymore. This worked for Brexit, and its working for Trump - you don't even need to pretend anymore. call your opponent the devil, promise large sums of money, promise unicorns if you like, and it doesn't matter, as long as you can hit a chord with something, for example how evil all muslims are (trump), or how the EU is stealing money from our NHS (farage and co).

[CB Fry]

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/761319862698405888

 

Corbyn tracking heavily behind "don't know" as best Prime Minister.

 

And still I read nutters on social media and The Guardian comments talking about JC's popularity/groundswell/movement/etc.

[whelk]

I've just accepted I can like Teresa May for the moment. Labour are beyond a joke.

[Nolan]

With the boundary changes and the reduction of mps to 600, and with the amount of support of the SNP in Scotland I struggle to see anything but a Conservative government until at least 2030.

 

They can't even run a party conference (http://order-order.com/2016/08/04/labour-party-conference-security-crisis/) how do they expect to run a country.

 

 

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[CB Fry]

I've just accepted I can like Teresa May for the moment. Labour are beyond a joke.

You, me and thirty million odd people who couldn't give two shiny sh ites about "look how many people turned up at that rally in Hull/York/Liverpool".

 

May is too cautious and will be too focused on running the country but if it was me I'd announce a snap election the day after leadership contest. They'd smash Corbyn into the dust.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I must say that seeing serial malcontent Jeremy Corbyn yesterday calling on Labour MP's to support his leadership now - when of course he has spent his entire career refusing to back previous Labours leaders - is hyprocrisy on a stunning scale.

 

Nevertheless, being the darling of the hard-left, he will probably win this contest. What happens next in the Labour Party will certainly be interesting ...

[whelk]

You, me and thirty million odd people who couldn't give two shiny sh ites about "look how many people turned up at that rally in Hull/York/Liverpool".

 

May is too cautious and will be too focused on running the country but if it was me I'd announce a snap election the day after leadership contest. They'd smash Corbyn into the dust.

 

Yeah a niche to pick up parent/working/homeowner voter who actually wants a fairer society. Quite a large bloody niche! Too wise and experienced to be taken in by likes of Corbyn.

[aintforever]

It's a shame Labour are such a mess. If they had a half decent leader they would probably wipe the floor with the Tories at the next election after this Brexit fiasco.

 

Corbyn and his followers appear to be living in their own little dream world. I find it amazing how so many people can be so deluded, they are letting the people of this country down in not offering an effective opposition at a time when one is most needed.

[colehillsaint]

You, me and thirty million odd people who couldn't give two shiny sh ites about "look how many people turned up at that rally in Hull/York/Liverpool".

 

May is too cautious and will be too focused on running the country but if it was me I'd announce a snap election the day after leadership contest. They'd smash Corbyn into the dust.

 

The only curve ball might be if the much maligned LibDems, (who in a rational world might have been congratulated for restraining Tory excess in the coalition), stood on some type of remain platform. I doubt if they could agree on thwarting the will of the democratic 52%, but they've been left with little to loose from a big gamble.

[colehillsaint]

It's a shame Labour are such a mess. If they had a half decent leader they would probably wipe the floor with the Tories at the next election after this Brexit fiasco.

 

Corbyn and his followers appear to be living in their own little dream world. I find it amazing how so many people can be so deluded, they are letting the people of this country down in not offering an effective opposition at a time when one is most needed.

 

Well I reckon; Labour would be a mess anyway. Corbyn's election is a symptom of the modern white working class wanting socialism that benefits them, in a cocktail of anti-immigration nationalism that the intellectual left are never going to be able to sign up to. Corbyn is just one of many oddball options that was going to get thrown up. That's not to say that he is anti immigration or a nationalist, but he has qualified by being prepared to spout a load of stuff that he's not concerned about being practical in reality.

[Nolan]

It's a shame Labour are such a mess. If they had a half decent leader they would probably wipe the floor with the Tories at the next election after this Brexit fiasco.

 

Corbyn and his followers appear to be living in their own little dream world. I find it amazing how so many people can be so deluded, they are letting the people of this country down in not offering an effective opposition at a time when one is most needed.

Yougov did a poll three days ago. Leave is still ahead. 44 to 43.

[Verbal]

You, me and thirty million odd people who couldn't give two shiny sh ites about "look how many people turned up at that rally in Hull/York/Liverpool".

 

May is too cautious and will be too focused on running the country but if it was me I'd announce a snap election the day after leadership contest. They'd smash Corbyn into the dust.

 

I remember going to a Michael Foot rally in Luton during the 1983 general election. The place was stuffed - thousands had turned out and it was a carnival atmosphere. In the election itself the Tories took both Luton seats with huge majorities. So it's hard to think of a more pointless activity than this ****-waving by Corbyn's cultists.

 

It was a pretty bad day for Jezza generally yesterday. The £500 billion cost of the ten "pledges" have been widely laughed at. (Aside of course from the Corbynist cretins who think it's just a matter of turning on the printing presses - not understanding the very basic difference between printing bank notes - see Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and Venezuala for results - and issuing bonds).

 

And he was finally caught - as many had predicted - acting corruptly in issuing a peerage to Chakrabarti for her whitewashing of the antisemitism inquiry.

 

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/chakrabarti-peerage/

[Lord Duckhunter]

Michael Foot didn't believe the polling he received as everywhere he went he was surrounded by enthusiastic supporters and every speech was extremely well received by the people who heard it . The same thing is happening with the Corbyn supporters and they'll get exactly the same outcome come the election

[aintforever]

Yougov did a poll three days ago. Leave is still ahead. 44 to 43.

 

It obviously depends how it pans out but if Brexit has a negative effect on the economy the Tories will get the blame. If May pussies out with some half-arsed Brexit and nothing really changes the Tories get the blame and UKIP will pick up many of their ****ed of Brexiters. I reckon a centre left, pro EU Labour would take enough of the middle ground.

 

If Brexit is a success then Labour will not stand a chance tho.

[Batman]

UKIP are going to pick up plenty of labour votes. Regardless

[whelk]

What do UKIP stand for now we will be out of Europe?

[buctootim]

What do UKIP stand for now we will be out of Europe?

 

Cream teas, the Empire and blankets instead of immigrant duvets.

[Goatboy]

I remember going to a Michael Foot rally in Luton during the 1983 general election. The place was stuffed - thousands had turned out and it was a carnival atmosphere. In the election itself the Tories took both Luton seats with huge majorities. So it's hard to think of a more pointless activity than this ****-waving by Corbyn's cultists.

 

It was a pretty bad day for Jezza generally yesterday. The £500 billion cost of the ten "pledges" have been widely laughed at. (Aside of course from the Corbynist cretins who think it's just a matter of turning on the printing presses - not understanding the very basic difference between printing bank notes - see Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe and Venezuala for results - and issuing bonds).

 

And he was finally caught - as many had predicted - acting corruptly in issuing a peerage to Chakrabarti for her whitewashing of the antisemitism inquiry.

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/chakrabarti-peerage/

 

[Goatboy]

So many to choose from if you're looking for dodgy peers and corrupt politicians and Verbal plumps for Corbyn and Chakrabarti:lol:

[Nolan]

So many to choose from if you're looking for dodgy peers and corrupt politicians and Verbal plumps for Corbyn and Chakrabarti[emoji38]

There is nothing wrong with illustrating that Corbyn is just the same as the rest of them.

[Goatboy]

There is nothing wrong with illustrating that Corbyn is just the same as the rest of them.

 

Yes, there is. It is a poor illustration made with dubious evidence.

[scotty]

I've just accepted I can like Teresa May for the moment. Labour are beyond a joke.

 

I think the labour party know that, whelk. They didn't want to win the last election, that's why they got ed miliband in charge, and that's why they've got corbyn in now.

[Verbal]

There is nothing wrong with illustrating that Corbyn is just the same as the rest of them.

 

Ignore him. He's just a puerile troll who's too stupid to realise that you might expect comments about Corbyn on a thread entitled Corbyn and the death of the Labour party.

 

Jew-hating, which is systemic among Corbynists, has actually been in full flow this week.

 

Two revelations on Sunday reveal the depths of it. In the Observer, it was reported that Corbyn has declared a £2,000 campaign donation from a certain Ibrahim Hamami, who opposed the Oslo peace accords and in 2015 wrote in defence of a wave of stabbings of Jews in Israel. There is also a mystery of the whereabouts of a £10,000 donation from the 'Friends of Al Aqsa', led by a Leicester optician and rabid Islamist called Ismail Patel (whose other 'friends' include Holocaust deniers).

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/06/jeremy-corbyn-campaign-donation-palestine

 

Yesterday's Sunday Times also carried more evidence of the whitewashing Anitsemitism report. A former Corbynist and Corbyn policy advisor called Josh Simons has complained that Chakrabarti simply ignored his evidence that within Corbyn's office itself there was talk of a "Jewish conspiracy". Simons details how the Stalin enthusiast Seumas Milne, Corbyn's "Director of Strategy", grilled him about his own Jewish family background and his views on Israel. Not a single word of Simons' complaints to Chakrabarti was mentioned in the final report.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/77968/former-staffer-claims-corbyn-adviser-spoke-jewish

 

And today, two of Corbyn's closest allies are reported comparing the state of Israel to ISIS, with one Corbynist MP, Grahame Morris, wanting all British Jews who've served in the Israeli defence force to be treated as suspected terrorists, and another, the odious Richard Burgon MP, telling MPs and Labour party members to boycott the Labour Friends of Israel group, on the grounds that "Zionism is the enemy of peace."

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3728588/Storm-Corbyn-s-great-pals-compare-Israel-ISIS-terrorists-Row-Labour-anti-Semitism-grows-comments-two-ministers.html

 

Corbynist Labour's Jew problem is getting out of hand - and the Chakrabarti whitewash will only have made things worse.

[Goatboy]

OO, I don't think I've been accused of being a troll before! Puerile? Yes. Plenty.

I must say I prefer your deluded accusations of me encouraging sexual assault. At least that was 'entertaining' watching your meltdown. How are those promises going?

Ho hum, I'll be off to play with my jew hating chums then.

Nobber.

[Batman]

slightly off topic. but made me chuckle

 

http://order-order.com/2016/08/08/eddie-izzard-loses/

[Verbal]

And so inevitably the Jew-hating comes home to Corbyn's own constituency Labour party. At an Islington North CLP meeting on Wednesday night, some bright committee member countered the claim that 'Jeremy' was unelectable by saying that only those approved by Rupert Murdoch and the Israeli ambassador were electable. A woman member trying to voice her objections to this was shouted down.

 

Naturally, Jeremy has had nothing to say about Jewish conspiracy theories being flung about among his own local party.

 

http://hurryupharry.org/2016/08/11/at-islington-clp-meeting-israeli-ambassador-blamed-for-corbyns-problems/

 

http://order-order.com/2016/08/11/islington-corbynistas-no-one-can-win-without-support-israeli-ambassador/

[Verbal]

Depressingly, Corbynistas are taking the courtroom defeat yesterday in their traditional manner - by accusing one of the judges of being "born in Israel" and therefore unable to rule in favour of Corbyn because of his "pro Palestinian" stance.

 

https://twitter.com/davidebaines/status/764181059068170240

 

In fact, the judge wasn't born in Israel, but no doubt #CorbynFacts will be on to that...

 

Interesting, and pleasing, to see Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales getting involved in the argument (on the right side, of course).

[Verbal]

Billy Bragg is suddenly my favourite musician (even if his music is actually crap).

 

Corbyn is a "20th century Labour man," says the one-time Corbynist acolyte. "We need to be reaching out to people. We need to be working with everybody we can because you can see what happens to a political party that becomes tribalist."

 

Well, quite. What took you so long, Billy?

 

And as evidence of that tribalism, I see that the systemically antisemitic Corbynists have achieved one of their key goals - thoroughly alienating Jewish Labour voters. The Jewish Labour Movement - one of the oldest affiliates to the Labour party, dating back to 1922 - conducted a poll this week which found that 92% of Jewish Labour supporters back Owen Smith.

 

That's Owen Smith - the leadership candidate who just about everyone, including many of his supporters, thinks isn't really up to much.

 

Brilliant.

[Goatboy]

No taste in music either. Do keep up though:

Billy Bragg ‏@billybragg 6h6 hours ago

Don't believe the b/s about me in the Times. I'm still supporting Corbyn, just want more talk about devo for England & fair votes for all

[Verbal]

No taste in music either. Do keep up though:

Billy Bragg ‏@billybragg 6h6 hours ago

Don't believe the b/s about me in the Times. I'm still supporting Corbyn, just want more talk about devo for England & fair votes for all

 

Interesting. Not once in your posts have you questioned the plentiful evidence, linked on here, of rabid Jew-hating among your Corbynist co-cultists, and of its consequences including the almost total withdrawal of support for Corbyn among British Jews.

 

On Bragg, let's see if the reporters from The Times have recorded the quotes. Bragg is only saying his words were "twisted" - not that he was misquoted. A non-denial denial.

[Goatboy]

Interesting. Not once in your posts have you questioned the plentiful evidence, linked on here, of rabid Jew-hating among your Corbynist co-cultists, and of its consequences including the almost total withdrawal of support for Corbyn among British Jews.

 

On Bragg, let's see if the reporters from The Times have recorded the quotes. Bragg is only saying his words were "twisted" - not that he was misquoted. A non-denial denial.

 

My wife has just read your post over my shoulder and she is very upset as she thinks that you are inferring I am in some way anti-semitic. I've told her to relax, that I'm just a thick, puerile troll and there is nothing to worry about so hopefully I'll still get my 3 posts per day.

Anyway, here's Mr Bragg's response:

 

Originally posted by Billy Bragg on Facebook

 

"Been a really frustrating day today. Woke up to find that the Times was claiming that I had turned against Jeremy Corbyn, referring to me in a headline as "previously loyal supporter Billy Bragg". I can't link to the story as it is behind the Times paywall, but the gist of it was based on the following quote, taken from an answer I gave to a question put to me at the Edinburgh Book Festival on Sunday night:

 

"I worry that Jeremy is a kind of 20th century Labour man. We need to be reaching out to people. We need to be working with everybody we can because you see what happens when a political party becomes tribalist. We can't afford to go down that route if we are to retain the ability to represent ordinary working people".

 

I said that, but in the hands of the Times journalist it became the following headline: "Jeremy Corbyn is a 20th century man unable to reach the electorate". What is missing here is the context in which I was speaking. In Scotland, tribalism has lead to an extinction level event for the Labour Party. I believe that the way forward involves both the foundation of a federal UK with devolution for England and voting reform at Westminster. The latter will necessitate forming a progressive alliance with other party and I have yet to hear Corbyn or Smith express any support for this idea. Are the Labour willing to give away power via devolution and share power with progressive allies or will they cling to the centralising tendencies exemplified by New Labour in the 20th century?

 

Frustratingly, none of this context appeared in the Times piece so, as you can imagine, my Twitter feed was a firestorm of angry Corbynites and smug Smith supporters. I had to work very hard to refute their accusations. For the record , I never gave the Times an interview - they were reporting comments I made at a public event. More importantly, I remain a loyal supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. I feel that the quote has been twisted out of context in order to sow discord among Corbyn supporters by a media that castigates us as being mindless followers of a leader cult, yet condemns as disloyalty any hint that we may want there to be a debate about the way forward."

[OldNick]

My wife has just read your post over my shoulder and she is very upset as she thinks that you are inferring I am in some way anti-semitic. I've told her to relax, that I'm just a thick, puerile troll and there is nothing to worry about so hopefully I'll still get my 3 posts per day.

Anyway, here's Mr Bragg's response:

 

Originally posted by Billy Bragg on Facebook

 

"Been a really frustrating day today. Woke up to find that the Times was claiming that I had turned against Jeremy Corbyn, referring to me in a headline as "previously loyal supporter Billy Bragg". I can't link to the story as it is behind the Times paywall, but the gist of it was based on the following quote, taken from an answer I gave to a question put to me at the Edinburgh Book Festival on Sunday night:

 

"I worry that Jeremy is a kind of 20th century Labour man. We need to be reaching out to people. We need to be working with everybody we can because you see what happens when a political party becomes tribalist. We can't afford to go down that route if we are to retain the ability to represent ordinary working people".

 

I said that, but in the hands of the Times journalist it became the following headline: "Jeremy Corbyn is a 20th century man unable to reach the electorate". What is missing here is the context in which I was speaking. In Scotland, tribalism has lead to an extinction level event for the Labour Party. I believe that the way forward involves both the foundation of a federal UK with devolution for England and voting reform at Westminster. The latter will necessitate forming a progressive alliance with other party and I have yet to hear Corbyn or Smith express any support for this idea. Are the Labour willing to give away power via devolution and share power with progressive allies or will they cling to the centralising tendencies exemplified by New Labour in the 20th century?

 

Frustratingly, none of this context appeared in the Times piece so, as you can imagine, my Twitter feed was a firestorm of angry Corbynites and smug Smith supporters. I had to work very hard to refute their accusations. For the record , I never gave the Times an interview - they were reporting comments I made at a public event. More importantly, I remain a loyal supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. I feel that the quote has been twisted out of context in order to sow discord among Corbyn supporters by a media that castigates us as being mindless followers of a leader cult, yet condemns as disloyalty any hint that we may want there to be a debate about the way forward."

Is having the support of Billy Bragg a good thing???

[PhilippineSaint]

It's a shame Labour are such a mess. If they had a half decent leader they would probably wipe the floor with the Tories at the next election after this Brexit fiasco.

 

Corbyn and his followers appear to be living in their own little dream world. I find it amazing how so many people can be so deluded, they are letting the people of this country down in not offering an effective opposition at a time when one is most needed.

 

There is nothing stopping you becoming a member of the opposition to try and change they way that they are doing things?

[Wes Tender]

Is having the support of Billy Bragg a good thing???

 

Only in the same way that having the support in a campaign is aided by the likes of the Rat Geldorf, or the idiot Izzard, or the tw*ts Brand (Russell or Jo) or other right-on leftie luvvies.

[OldNick]

Only in the same way that having the support in a campaign is aided by the likes of the Rat Geldorf, or the idiot Izzard, or the tw*ts Brand (Russell or Jo) or other right-on leftie luvvies.

the celeb socialists, you only need Emma Thomson for the full set.

[Wes Tender]

the celeb socialists, you only need Emma Thomson for the full set.

 

Not forgetting that obnoxious outspoken little brat Charlotte Church.

[Verbal]

Originally posted by Billy Bragg on Facebook

 

"Been a really frustrating day today. Woke up to find that the Times was claiming that I had turned against Jeremy Corbyn, referring to me in a headline as "previously loyal supporter Billy Bragg". I can't link to the story as it is behind the Times paywall, but the gist of it was based on the following quote, taken from an answer I gave to a question put to me at the Edinburgh Book Festival on Sunday night:

 

"I worry that Jeremy is a kind of 20th century Labour man. We need to be reaching out to people. We need to be working with everybody we can because you see what happens when a political party becomes tribalist. We can't afford to go down that route if we are to retain the ability to represent ordinary working people".

 

I said that, but in the hands of the Times journalist it became the following headline: "Jeremy Corbyn is a 20th century man unable to reach the electorate". What is missing here is the context in which I was speaking. In Scotland, tribalism has lead to an extinction level event for the Labour Party. I believe that the way forward involves both the foundation of a federal UK with devolution for England and voting reform at Westminster. The latter will necessitate forming a progressive alliance with other party and I have yet to hear Corbyn or Smith express any support for this idea. Are the Labour willing to give away power via devolution and share power with progressive allies or will they cling to the centralising tendencies exemplified by New Labour in the 20th century?

 

Frustratingly, none of this context appeared in the Times piece so, as you can imagine, my Twitter feed was a firestorm of angry Corbynites and smug Smith supporters. I had to work very hard to refute their accusations. For the record , I never gave the Times an interview - they were reporting comments I made at a public event. More importantly, I remain a loyal supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. I feel that the quote has been twisted out of context in order to sow discord among Corbyn supporters by a media that castigates us as being mindless followers of a leader cult, yet condemns as disloyalty any hint that we may want there to be a debate about the way forward."

 

So aside from your having musical tastes that would embarrass a Neanderthal, you've managed to repeat exactly word-for word exactly the quote I posted. Bragg said it, and has since tried to wriggle out of it by whining about "context" and "twisted words". The more likely context is that he said what he said, with a clear enough meaning, without knowing he'd be quoted by a journalist.

 

Corbyn is going to win the leadership election without question, and Labour - as even posturing musos like Bragg secretly know - is consequently screwed. (An Ipsos Mori poll today has Labour voters giving more basking to Theresa May than the babbling idiot.)

 

Still no answer from you about the evidence of rabid Jew hating among Corbynists, and the utter collapse of Jewish support for Corbyn. Smith is barely credible but it seems so deeply offensive is Corbynism's antisemitism that Labour-voting Jews would rather support a brightly painted brick than give their votes to your precious Jeremy and his 'friends'. You seem incapable of an intelligible response. Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. It'll tell you why you struggle with this.

[whelk]

Not forgetting that obnoxious outspoken little brat Charlotte Church.

 

Why obnoxious outspoken? How dare a working class girl voice her views eh? She must be a brat eh althoughmany of her views suggest she actually cares more than you average celeb and so not really standard brat behaviour.

 

More embarrassing is you seemingly lapping up the press hatchet jobs as she has tried to brings them to task for their poisonous reporting about her. Of course they are fair and rounded and never do poison pieces for their own agenda.

 

You probably preferred it when you could perve over pictures of the 'busty Welsh songstress' getting out of a cab in a short skirt. Needs to know her place.

Edited 18 August, 2016 by whelk

[whelk]

My wife has just read your post over my shoulder and she is very upset as she thinks that you are inferring I am in some way anti-semitic. I've told her to relax, that I'm just a thick, puerile troll and there is nothing to worry about so hopefully I'll still get my 3 posts per day.

Anyway, here's Mr Bragg's response:

 

Originally posted by Billy Bragg on Facebook

 

"Been a really frustrating day today. Woke up to find that the Times was claiming that I had turned against Jeremy Corbyn, referring to me in a headline as "previously loyal supporter Billy Bragg". I can't link to the story as it is behind the Times paywall, but the gist of it was based on the following quote, taken from an answer I gave to a question put to me at the Edinburgh Book Festival on Sunday night:

 

"I worry that Jeremy is a kind of 20th century Labour man. We need to be reaching out to people. We need to be working with everybody we can because you see what happens when a political party becomes tribalist. We can't afford to go down that route if we are to retain the ability to represent ordinary working people".

 

I said that, but in the hands of the Times journalist it became the following headline: "Jeremy Corbyn is a 20th century man unable to reach the electorate". What is missing here is the context in which I was speaking. In Scotland, tribalism has lead to an extinction level event for the Labour Party. I believe that the way forward involves both the foundation of a federal UK with devolution for England and voting reform at Westminster. The latter will necessitate forming a progressive alliance with other party and I have yet to hear Corbyn or Smith express any support for this idea. Are the Labour willing to give away power via devolution and share power with progressive allies or will they cling to the centralising tendencies exemplified by New Labour in the 20th century?

 

Frustratingly, none of this context appeared in the Times piece so, as you can imagine, my Twitter feed was a firestorm of angry Corbynites and smug Smith supporters. I had to work very hard to refute their accusations. For the record , I never gave the Times an interview - they were reporting comments I made at a public event. More importantly, I remain a loyal supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. I feel that the quote has been twisted out of context in order to sow discord among Corbyn supporters by a media that castigates us as being mindless followers of a leader cult, yet condemns as disloyalty any hint that we may want there to be a debate about the way forward."

 

I'd keep your wife away Goat this place can get very nasty talking about a Centre Backs's quality so when something as divisive as politics well....

 

I sometimes get asked by my missus what I am smiling at when on here. Often just amusing myself reading the insults or actively partaking in them myself of course.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Why obnoxious outspoken? How dare a working class girl voice her views eh? She must be a brat eh althoughmany of her views suggest she actually cares more than you average celeb and so not really standard brat behaviour.

 

More embarrassing is you seemingly lapping up the press hatchet jobs as she has tried to brings them to task for their poisonous reporting about her. Of course they are fair and rounded and never do poison pieces for their own agenda.

 

You probably preferred it when you could perve over pictures of the 'busty Welsh songstress' getting out of a cab in a short skirt. Needs to know her place.

 

 

What a load of pony .She made a complete fool of herself on question time . She's nothing but a half baked leftie luvvie

[Wes Tender]

Why obnoxious outspoken? How dare a working class girl voice her views eh? She must be a brat eh although many of her views suggest she actually cares more than you average celeb and so not really standard brat behaviour.

 

More embarrassing is you seemingly lapping up the press hatchet jobs as she has tried to brings them to task for their poisonous reporting about her. Of course they are fair and rounded and never do poison pieces for their own agenda.

 

You probably preferred it when you could perve over pictures of the 'busty Welsh songstress' getting out of a cab in a short skirt. Needs to know her place.

 

It seems that I have offended a member of her fan club. Of course she can voice her views and thus be open to criticism of them, in the same way that she is fair game for criticism for her behaviour because as a minor celebrity she is in the public limelight.

 

LD is right, she made a complete idiot of herself on QT and proved herself totally out of her depth when it comes to the issues debated. Although I appear scathing about these minor lefty luvvy celebrities like those mentioned venting their political spleens in the media, however they probably do quite a bit of damage to the causes they support, so there is an upside to it. Their intervention in elections or the referendum were probably worth more votes to the opposition than they will have added to their side.

 

Regarding the perving of busty Welsh songstresses, you are wide of the mark if you think that Church is my type. Katherine Jenkins is much her superior in looks, voice and class.

[ghq]

Is there the slightest possibility of a functioning Labour government within the next twenty five years, or even longer? Corbyn as leader or not; imagine by some miracle being in a situation of winning enough votes to enable it to form a government with the SNP's backing. I'd give it eighteen months and England would secede from Scotland after the crap they'd have to take from the poison dwarfs,( politicians that is), northof the border.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Ignore him. He's just a puerile troll who's too stupid to realise that you might expect comments about Corbyn on a thread entitled Corbyn and the death of the Labour party.

 

Jew-hating, which is systemic among Corbynists, has actually been in full flow this week.

 

Two revelations on Sunday reveal the depths of it. In the Observer, it was reported that Corbyn has declared a £2,000 campaign donation from a certain Ibrahim Hamami, who opposed the Oslo peace accords and in 2015 wrote in defence of a wave of stabbings of Jews in Israel. There is also a mystery of the whereabouts of a £10,000 donation from the 'Friends of Al Aqsa', led by a Leicester optician and rabid Islamist called Ismail Patel (whose other 'friends' include Holocaust deniers).

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/06/jeremy-corbyn-campaign-donation-palestine

 

Yesterday's Sunday Times also carried more evidence of the whitewashing Anitsemitism report. A former Corbynist and Corbyn policy advisor called Josh Simons has complained that Chakrabarti simply ignored his evidence that within Corbyn's office itself there was talk of a "Jewish conspiracy". Simons details how the Stalin enthusiast Seumas Milne, Corbyn's "Director of Strategy", grilled him about his own Jewish family background and his views on Israel. Not a single word of Simons' complaints to Chakrabarti was mentioned in the final report.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/77968/former-staffer-claims-corbyn-adviser-spoke-jewish

 

And today, two of Corbyn's closest allies are reported comparing the state of Israel to ISIS, with one Corbynist MP, Grahame Morris, wanting all British Jews who've served in the Israeli defence force to be treated as suspected terrorists, and another, the odious Richard Burgon MP, telling MPs and Labour party members to boycott the Labour Friends of Israel group, on the grounds that "Zionism is the enemy of peace."

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3728588/Storm-Corbyn-s-great-pals-compare-Israel-ISIS-terrorists-Row-Labour-anti-Semitism-grows-comments-two-ministers.html

 

Corbynist Labour's Jew problem is getting out of hand - and the Chakrabarti whitewash will only have made things worse.

 

Woah there Dave, why is Goatboy anti-semetic? He's actually a thoroughly decent bloke, if you can get over the fact that he like to finger people wives...

[whelk]

What a load of pony .She made a complete fool of herself on question time . She's nothing but a half baked leftie luvvie

 

Hard to believe she went on QT. Wasn't aware but respect the bravery as of course she woudl likely be out of her depth. Point is not that though it is how people launch into anyone who voices anything regarding remotely anything seen as left wing. Very unsubtle but notice the Mail go for JK Rowling now 'when will she ever stop milking her cash cow?' headline.

 

Don't think she is a luvvie and funny how it annoys you.

 

Bet you get a hard on when you see Toby Young on QT

[whelk]

It seems that I have offended a member of her fan club. Of course she can voice her views and thus be open to criticism of them, in the same way that she is fair game for criticism for her behaviour because as a minor celebrity she is in the public limelight.

 

LD is right, she made a complete idiot of herself on QT and proved herself totally out of her depth when it comes to the issues debated. Although I appear scathing about these minor lefty luvvy celebrities like those mentioned venting their political spleens in the media, however they probably do quite a bit of damage to the causes they support, so there is an upside to it. Their intervention in elections or the referendum were probably worth more votes to the opposition than they will have added to their side.

 

Regarding the perving of busty Welsh songstresses, you are wide of the mark if you think that Church is my type. Katherine Jenkins is much her superior in looks, voice and class.

 

not at all in her fan club but she has right to speak out without getting personal attacks like 'outspoken brat'. As said above fair play for bravery going on QT although don't agree should be dumbed down by celebs. Also by voicing out about hacking it is inevitable that she has now signed up to be vilified as are Coogan and Grant.

 

Your celeb heroes are no doubt the tax avoiders that have their right to profess to be 2nd hand car dealers to hold on to their hard earned money. bet i can guess who they vote for.

[Wes Tender]

Your celeb heroes are no doubt the tax avoiders that have their right to profess to be 2nd hand car dealers to hold on to their hard earned money. bet i can guess who they vote for.

 

You really have no idea who my celebrity heroes are, neither do you have any grounds for assuming that they would remain my heroes if they indulged in any dodgy activities like tax avoidance. And there is no reason either why I would wish them to involve themselves as political pawns for whatever party.

[Verbal]

I don't know if anyone's watching Channel 4 News these days, but their reports (shot by an extraordinarily courageous young Syrian woman) from Aleppo are truly disturbing. It'll be interesting to see if Corbyn and his inner circle of Putin and Assad enthusiasts in the Labour, Stop the War, and Momentum leaderships will say a damn thing against the Russian and Syrian air 'strikes' against civilians and hospitals in the city.

 

Will Corbyn appeal directly to the two butchers to stop? I'm guessing not.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Give it a rest Verbal , we get the picture , you don't like Corbyn .

[Verbal]

Give it a rest Verbal , we get the picture , you don't like Corbyn .

 

I don't like Corbyn, true; and I especially don't like his cultist devotees, most of whom are not 'entryists' but shiny-faced acolytes unwittingly participating in the destruction of the one party able to defeat the punitive, self-harming dogmas of the Brexit leadership among the Tory hard right. So if you want opinion more even-handed, try this:

 

Corbyn supporters increasingly resemble devout Brexiters, insistent on a golden future that is in contradiction to all known facts. They appear to believe that Jeremy Corbyn can win a general election without the support of his parliamentary colleagues, without the backing of the majority of Labour councillors, without support in the national media, without needing to demonstrate competence in his office, without even average personal approval ratings, without public confidence in his economic policies and without anything close to a Labour lead in the polls. The fear, based on current projections, must be that the British left will bury itself for good in 2020 (or earlier, if Theresa May chooses to junk the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act and hold a snap election). Those who talk of a ‘marathon and not a sprint’, of a long-term strategy of renewal that will bear fruit in 2025, do not seem to consider the possibility that Labour's position could get much worse at the next election: a marathon gets a hell of a lot longer if you lose your legs halfway through.

 

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n16/tom-crewe/we-are-many