Jonnyboy Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 Interesting to see JC has put people off voting Labour in London as Sadiq Khan wins a record landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 Interesting to see JC has put people off voting Labour in London as Sadiq Khan wins a record landslide. quite interesting that Khan is one of the most fierce critics of Corbyn and distanced himself more and more as his campaign went on. and lashed out at Red Ken. would Ken livingstone himself win this election, in a pretty much a Labour city? nah do you think Labour are on the right track to win in 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 Interesting to see JC has put people off voting Labour in London as Sadiq Khan wins a record landslide. This will be the same Sadiq Khan who is classed as "hostile" on that infamous Labour list of who in the party supports the leadership or not. Khan kept Corbyn a million miles away from him during the campaign. London is a Labour city long before Corbyn's leadership and will be once he's shuffled off (ie about September this year). Lastly Goldsmith ran a dreadful campaign and was a terrible candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 This will be the same Sadiq Khan who is classed as "hostile" on that infamous Labour list of who in the party supports the leadership or not. Khan kept Corbyn a million miles away from him during the campaign. London is a Labour city long before Corbyn's leadership and will be once he's shuffled off (ie about September this year). Lastly Goldsmith ran a dreadful campaign and was a terrible candidate. That's true; his sister has appologised stating that he's quite a nice fellow and basically suggesting that directions for his nasty campaign came from above (i.e. dodgy Dave and his boys). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 Wasn't Brown " real Labour " rather than new Labour? . Hockey and his ilk don't seem to understand the reality of labours situation and seem incapable of understanding basic facts . The further the party move away from New Labour the further they move from the majority of the electorate . Their last non new Labour winner was Harold Wilson , doesn't that tell them something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 do you think Labour are on the right track to win in 2020? No but there could be a coalition with the SNP Lets face it the Press totally rubbish non tory parties so the things published must have some affect on peoples perception on labour. I know lots of grass roots Labour members who think that Corbyn is not that left wing but he is certainly left wing compared to the red Tories like Khan Blair Brown Straw etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 This was the first ever election that I almost abstained from due to Camerons idiotic handling of the EU propoganda. Corbyns Council seat loss was Defended by half of us conservatives being alienated by a hierarchy that seems to not know how to put a decent message out. At least this means that one of the most incompetent leaders in recent history stays in charge of labour longer than we thought possible. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 (edited) do you think Labour are on the right track to win in 2020? No but there could be a coalition with the SNP Lets face it the Press totally rubbish non tory parties so the things published must have some affect on peoples perception on labour. I know lots of grass roots Labour members who think that Corbyn is not that left wing but he is certainly left wing compared to the red Tories like Khan Blair Brown Straw etc Exactly. Also, so earlier this year the Disabled conservatives' were alienated to the point they hijacked their website in disgust at cuts and now it appears the Muslim conservatives appear to be the next in line: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/07/top-conservatives-condemn-zac-goldsmiths-disgusting-mayoral-campaign I wonder who's next. Edited 7 May, 2016 by Hockey_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy40 Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 No but there could be a coalition with the SNP Thanks for that vision and my new recurring nightmare... they'd smile at each other for a few days and then bicker with each other for five years whilst the UK slowly crumbles and rots around them (they'd make the ConLib coalition look like the golden years !). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 This was the first ever election that I almost abstained from due to Camerons idiotic handling of the EU propoganda. Corbyns Council seat loss was Defended by half of us conservatives being alienated by a hierarchy that seems to not know how to put a decent message out. At least this means that one of the most incompetent leaders in recent history stays in charge of labour longer than we thought possible. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Ha! Stick to you Xbox one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 No but there could be a coalition with the SNP Lets face it the Press totally rubbish non tory parties so the things published must have some affect on peoples perception on labour. I know lots of grass roots Labour members who think that Corbyn is not that left wing but he is certainly left wing compared to the red Tories like Khan Blair Brown Straw etc Exactly. Also, so earlier this year the Disabled conservatives' were alienated to the point they hijacked their website in disgust at cuts and now it appears the Muslim conservatives appear to be the next in line: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/07/top-conservatives-condemn-zac-goldsmiths-disgusting-mayoral-campaign I wonder who's next. With the Tories resurgence in Scotland as the unionist anti tax rise party? I doubt a coalition would be viable... Ha! Stick to you Xbox one. Don't worry I can play my Xbox while viewing the inaction of Corbyn and his merry band. The leadership contest between Watson and McDonnell will be fun to watch in a few months. I'll have skynews snapped to the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 The leadership contest between Watson and McDonnell will be fun to watch in a few months. I'll have skynews snapped to the one. If there's a leadership challenge, then the parliamentary party will work very hard to ensure no more far-left bunker loons will be on the ballot-paper. Corbyn had to beg, borrow and steal to get on the ballot. McDonnell is roundly despised by the PLP and will get nowhere near it. I doubt Watson has any interest at all in being leader. The Labour leader needs to have the confidence of his core team - the shadow cabinet and the MPs. Just being the winner a "who's yer favourite left-winger" popularity contest with the party membership does not an effective leader make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 What are you , stuck in the 1950's . Most people don't vote tribally nowadays . They're not " life long " supporters of any party . They clearly don't like labour since Blair , until you accept that and change, your party is doomed. Labour seem to think the voters are wrong . I've never thought of it like that before. But the Labour metropolitan set, and the class war great unwashed, do think the voters are wrong. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 The last election results would suggest otherwise concerning not being sick of Blair and his new Labour politics although at the minute, his lot appear to be throwing their toys out of the pram quite a bit in public, which is kinda not on in any party. I think a few things contribute to this though, the A8 states vote that Blair lobbied for, the traditional Labour voters in Scotland moving over to the SNP and UKIP in England but I do take issue with this "non-tribal" notion of yours as I would never dream of voting conservative as I kinda have a conscience...Also the same reason I'd not vote for Labour if someone like Liz Kendall was in charge. How about Dan Jarvis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 do you think Labour are on the right track to win in 2020? No but there could be a coalition with the SNP Lets face it the Press totally rubbish non tory parties so the things published must have some affect on peoples perception on labour. I know lots of grass roots Labour members who think that Corbyn is not that left wing but he is certainly left wing compared to the red Tories like Khan Blair Brown Straw etc Who on earth thinks Corbyn isn't left-wing? Like saying Nixon wasn't right-wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 How about Dan Jarvis? Until the plp take the leadership decision away from the membership he hasn't a hope in hell. The party is moving towards becoming a protest movement , with the majority of members unwilling to compromise their principles for power . In some way it's an honourable stance, but whilst we retain FPTP it will lead to constant opposition . To bypass the strict qualifying criteria and gerrymander Corbyn on to the ballot has to be the most ridiculous decision ever, they're now going to compound it by sitting back and letting the Corbynittes change the rules for future contests ensuring that there will always be a leftie put forward to the membership . Meanwhile people like Andy Burnham jump ship & moderate potential candidates choose an alternative career . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 Until the plp take the leadership decision away from the membership he hasn't a hope in hell. The party is moving towards becoming a protest movement , with the majority of members unwilling to compromise their principles for power . In some way it's an honourable stance, but whilst we retain FPTP it will lead to constant opposition . To bypass the strict qualifying criteria and gerrymander Corbyn on to the ballot has to be the most ridiculous decision ever, they're now going to compound it by sitting back and letting the Corbynittes change the rules for future contests ensuring that there will always be a leftie put forward to the membership . Meanwhile people like Andy Burnham jump ship & moderate potential candidates choose an alternative career . I am....finally, and very unfortunately, going to have to agree with you on that one....I know...But I read what Sadiq Khan had to say and thought "yeah, he's pretty much totally right" :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 As somebody who votes mainly right of centre, to see Sadiq Khan's outing as Mayor of London visit the Holocaust memorial makes me genuinely embarrassed to have believed the tory spin. Shame on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 As somebody who votes mainly right of centre, to see Sadiq Khan's outing as Mayor of London visit the Holocaust memorial makes me genuinely embarrassed to have believed the tory spin. Shame on them. It was always going to happen unfortunately though as Goldsmith had basically been losing throughout the campaign but I still think it was just another line of morality that this government were trying to test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 10 June, 2016 Share Posted 10 June, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Breaking news tonight , Jezza sacks Benn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 What a fraud. OUT OUT OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 June, 2016 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2016 The BBC is now repoting that up to HALF the Shadow Cabinet is expected to resign this morning #Becarefullwhatyouvotefor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Benn is on Marr in a moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Chuka's tweets .@hilarybennmp is one of the finest Shadow Foreign Secretaries we've ever had and one of the nicest men in politics. Crazy to sack him. Either you look your flaws in the face and address them or you stick your head in the sand, destroy the Labour Party and the country suffers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 A bit late for Corbyn to start trying to act like a decisive leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Bit late for Chuka to crawl out from where he has been hiding. If he hadn't have bottled out of the leadership race the party probably wouldn't be in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Bit late for Chuka to crawl out from where he has been hiding. If he hadn't have bottled out of the leadership race the party probably wouldn't be in this mess. He's a lightweight - he would have been slaughtered in the leadership contest, especially in the toxic, insurgent climate that followed Labour's election defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Benn has got to be a leading candidate for the leadership surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Benn has got to be a leading candidate for the leadership surely? Now outside the tent píssing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Now outside the tent píssing in. True. Im uncomfortable about some of his disloyalty - he should never have taken the job if he disagreed with Corbyn so much. I cant work out whether his father will give him an advantage or not. Working class cred, out of touch 'toff' or dangerous left winger? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Benn has got to be a leading candidate for the leadership surely? My understanding from sources is that Hunt and Umunna have more or less been leading mini factions, though they're very fragmented, reactive and personality-led. Another camp centred around Rachel Reeves and Dan Jarvis was beginning to flex its muscles and think about policy. They're much more sensitive to developments in the North which has become more important after the carnage in the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 As someone who would vote Labour in the right circumstances, I found it amusing (and a bit depressing) to see John McDonnell talking to Andrew Neil and saying that they should all unite behind Corbyn as there may be a General Election before the end of the year. Corbyn hasn't a hope in hell of winning an election. Don't these "activists", Union leaders and party members realise that you can't change anything in opposition so you need a leader who will appeal to a broad spectrum of the electorate. Tony Blair may have turned out to be a bit of a tosser but he won 3 elections by getting the votes of middle England as well as what used to be Labour's traditional support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 My understanding from sources is that Hunt and Umunna have more or less been leading mini factions, though they're very fragmented, reactive and personality-led. Another camp centred around Rachel Reeves and Dan Jarvis was beginning to flex its muscles and think about policy. They're much more sensitive to developments in the North which has become more important after the carnage in the referendum. Its a pity the referendum has precipitated this challenge now. Ideally it would have been in a year or two, giving time for some strong unifying candidates to have emerged. None of the candidates filled me with much hope last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 another one just gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 as Batman says above, Lucy Powell goes. Here's how it's looking right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 As someone who would vote Labour in the right circumstances, I found it amusing (and a bit depressing) to see John McDonnell talking to Andrew Neil and saying that they should all unite behind Corbyn as there may be a General Election before the end of the year. Corbyn hasn't a hope in hell of winning an election. Don't these "activists", Union leaders and party members realise that you can't change anything in opposition so you need a leader who will appeal to a broad spectrum of the electorate. Tony Blair may have turned out to be a bit of a tosser but he won 3 elections by getting the votes of middle England as well as what used to be Labour's traditional support. The problem for Labour's electability is that the MPs think he's a disaster yet the party members think he's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 All going - Seema Malhotra now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 The problem for Labour's electability is that the MPs think he's a disaster yet the party members think he's great. And they have a hugely over inflated sense of their importance. They are utterly irrelevant in the scheme of things. They're going to vote Labour whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Does the cabinet / shadow cabinet really need to be 31 people? Im pretty sure they only ever used to be 13 or 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 And they have a hugely over inflated sense of their importance. They are utterly irrelevant in the scheme of things. They're going to vote Labour whatever. Only to a certain extent. The reason for the recent surge of the SNP isn't that the Scots suddenly thought they might fancy a bit of independence. It is because they were an alternative when Labour imploded. Similarly UKIP has benefitted in England. We desperately need a credible opposition. At the moment that job is being done by the Lords at Westminster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Only to a certain extent. The reason for the recent surge of the SNP isn't that the Scots suddenly thought they might fancy a bit of independence. It is because they were an alternative when Labour imploded. Similarly UKIP has benefitted in England. We desperately need a credible opposition. At the moment that job is being done by the Lords at Westminster. Yes but that is the electorate not the membership of a party. The membership of the Labour party, were they in charge of everything, would not have prevented the rise of UKIP or the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Vernon Coaker's gone. 8 down now. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 We desperately need a credible opposition. At the moment that job is being done by the Lords at Westminster. Very true. The current situation is not good for democracy as we have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 The key for Jezza is the unions and momentum . If they say his times up, he's gone . If they support him , he'll win again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 The key for Jezza is the unions and momentum . If they say his times up, he's gone . If they support him , he'll win again He's dead and buried. The shadow cabinet he had was a rag bag of second tier MPs anyway, with most of the actual talent keeping well clear. He won't be able to form another one. If he hasn't got a PLP to lead and is incapable of forming a shadow cabinet then it doesn't matter if a million £3 dins vote for him again. Toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 another one has just quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 Lord Falconer has resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 this is like dead line day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2016 Share Posted 26 June, 2016 this is like dead line day. We need a TV channel like Sky Sports News to cover stuff like politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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