All things Labour Party

[Hockey_saint]

I'd think that most of those involved in the 30s are dead now. McClusky, in my opinion, is not a friend of the working man. Before I get accused of being a rabid right-winger, I've voted Labour all my life, and been a Union member for over 20 years.

 

No, you have a point but Labour should never forget where it came from and to kinda bring up anti-semitism is almost a dagger in the very foundation of the party. I had a disagreement with my father today who (unlike my mother, who's a staunch Labourite) kinda is a swing voter, and he was banging on about the crooked unions and how they should never return to the party.

 

My viewpoint was that he's basically retired so he really has no say in the working life of people and that his views are somewhat archaic and that today is a new world and we can't let people of his age colour our judgement of the left because they virtually ruined the image of those hardworking men who built the friendly societies and the unions, people like those from my father's village who were shipped off to Australia for striking and that we should realise that what happened with things like the breaking of the Heath government are not and should not be viewed as the inevitable result and conclusion of those many years.

 

Sorry, bit of a rant there but I understand a lot of what you say, I just feel whatever we call hard left will never and can never be the same as before.

[Nolan]

No, you have a point but Labour should never forget where it came from and to kinda bring up anti-semitism is almost a dagger in the very foundation of the party. I had a disagreement with my father today who (unlike my mother, who's a staunch Labourite) kinda is a swing voter, and he was banging on about the crooked unions and how they should never return to the party.

 

My viewpoint was that he's basically retired so he really has no say in the working life of people and that his views are somewhat archaic and that today is a new world and we can't let people of his age colour our judgement of the left because they virtually ruined the image of those hardworking men who built the friendly societies and the unions, people like those from my father's village who were shipped off to Australia for striking and that we should realise that what happened with things like the breaking of the Heath government are not and should not be viewed as the inevitable result and conclusion of those many years.

 

Sorry, bit of a rant there but I understand a lot of what you say, I just feel whatever we call hard left will never and can never be the same as before.

The Irony is that, on the face of it, you have the views of someone from the 1970`s whereas your dad seems to have learned from the mistakes made back then.

[CB Saint]

No, you have a point but Labour should never forget where it came from and to kinda bring up anti-semitism is almost a dagger in the very foundation of the party. I had a disagreement with my father today who (unlike my mother, who's a staunch Labourite) kinda is a swing voter, and he was banging on about the crooked unions and how they should never return to the party.

 

My viewpoint was that he's basically retired so he really has no say in the working life of people and that his views are somewhat archaic and that today is a new world and we can't let people of his age colour our judgement of the left because they virtually ruined the image of those hardworking men who built the friendly societies and the unions, people like those from my father's village who were shipped off to Australia for striking and that we should realise that what happened with things like the breaking of the Heath government are not and should not be viewed as the inevitable result and conclusion of those many years.

 

Sorry, bit of a rant there but I understand a lot of what you say, I just feel whatever we call hard left will never and can never be the same as before.

 

I disagree with a lot that you say, but this one statement is the biggest load of bo locks I have read on this site for a long time.

[Hockey_saint]

I disagree with a lot that you say, but this one statement is the biggest load of bo locks I have read on this site for a long time.

 

Depends on your viewpoint. So you think a retiree should have any influence on the rights of current workers? Also, Nolan, my point is that when you tarr every union with the mistakes of the past (the past being the point) you denigrate the hard work of generations that came before it because if they were never there, it's fair to say many of the hard earned rights we have today would not exist.

[cambsaint]

I shan't dwell on the disgusting anti-semitic comments and Nazi apologism of Livingstone except to say they were utterly disgusting and the only socialist party he should belong to is the National Socialist Party of Hitler.

 

My main concern is the destruction of a party I have supported all my adult life.

 

However I could never vote for a party led by the incompetent buffoon Corbyn, that has been infiltrated by a bunch of metropolitan Trots.

Unless the MPs do something very quickly the party will be reduced to a joke extremist rump akin to UKIP and Farage.

In extremis if I had to decide between the two of them it would probably be Farage.

 

It will take years to recreate a Socialist Democrat party and I doubt that Liberal activists will want to recreate the original Lib Dems from the ashes of their electoral disaster.

 

I dread the prospect of several decades of Tory misrule, but unless Corbyn and the Trots are got rid of very quickly I see that as a bleak future for my children.

 

In all honesty it won't affect me too much as a pensioner living in a prosperous rural Tory area, so I may well not vote again in my lifetime, unless a well-led Social Democratic Party with realistic aims of government can be created.

 

It is noteworthy that Corbyn has been 'banned' from the traditional Labour heartland of South Wales, and told to keep away from Scotland during these local elections - that should say it all.

[Hockey_saint]

I shan't dwell on the disgusting anti-semitic comments and Nazi apologism of Livingstone except to say they were utterly disgusting and the only socialist party he should belong to is the National Socialist Party of Hitler.

 

My main concern is the destruction of a party I have supported all my adult life.

 

However I could never vote for a party led by the incompetent buffoon Corbyn, that has been infiltrated by a bunch of metropolitan Trots.

Unless the MPs do something very quickly the party will be reduced to a joke extremist rump akin to UKIP and Farage.

In extremis if I had to decide between the two of them it would probably be Farage.

 

It will take years to recreate a Socialist Democrat party and I doubt that Liberal activists will want to recreate the original Lib Dems from the ashes of their electoral disaster.

 

I dread the prospect of several decades of Tory misrule, but unless Corbyn and the Trots are got rid of very quickly I see that as a bleak future for my children.

 

In all honesty it won't affect me too much as a pensioner living in a prosperous rural Tory area, so I may well not vote again in my lifetime, unless a well-led Social Democratic Party with realistic aims of government can be created.

 

It is noteworthy that Corbyn has been 'banned' from the traditional Labour heartland of South Wales, and told to keep away from Scotland during these local elections - that should say it all.

 

Firstly, you know the word socialist in the NSDAP is an abhorrent misuse of the word but you also understand that the reason Corbyn got in is NOT because a large percentage of Labour voters want a bunch of Trotsky-obsessed old men in but the overall feel is that Labour, whilst searching for the centre ground have actually gone too far and are basically no better than the conservative party...which they are failing at too right? That's why those on the right will not win anything too.

 

You understand that right?

[CB Saint]

Depends on your viewpoint. So you think a retiree should have any influence on the rights of current workers? Also, Nolan, my point is that when you tarr every union with the mistakes of the past (the past being the point) you denigrate the hard work of generations that came before it because if they were never there, it's fair to say many of the hard earned rights we have today would not exist.

 

I take issue with the notion that because some one is old and retired their opinion about working people isn't relevant. For some one who is quick to condemn discrimination against the disabled, I find it odd that you seemingly discriminate of grounds of age.

[Hockey_saint]

I take issue with the notion that because some one is old and retired their opinion about working people isn't relevant. For some one who is quick to condemn discrimination against the disabled, I find it odd that you seemingly discriminate of grounds of age.

 

I'll put it like this: worker's rights have been trampled on quite a bit lately and there doesn't appear to be much bright light ahead on this front with this current government and since someone like that is now (well, he's been out of it for about 10 years) out of the loop, and he'll have a say on these people's working conditions because of his experience 30-40 odd years ago is astonishing to me. It's good that you bring up the DDA though because, to me, it's the same as a perfectly able-bodied person (with not a huge amount of knowledge of those with disabilities) having a say on how they should be treated. It's kinda not on.

[Johnny Bognor]

I wanna go round the Hockey's for sunday lunch. Sounds like a laugh...

 

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[Hockey_saint]

I wanna go round the Hockey's for sunday lunch. Sounds like a laugh...

 

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Very funny....nah you definitely wouldn't (which was your point).

 

Well my mum's very much traditional labour, appeared at loads of TUC conventions and my dad's the son of 2 Lib Dem voters and he's very much a swing voters. Come on, it's the main thing aside from football I get to stop him talking about "bloomin migrants" (another thing he's not really affected by.).

[Johnny Bognor]

Very funny....nah you definitely wouldn't (which was your point).

 

Well my mum's very much traditional labour, appeared at loads of TUC conventions and my dad's the son of 2 Lib Dem voters and he's very much a swing voters. Come on, it's the main thing aside from football I get to stop him talking about "bloomin migrants" (another thing he's not really affected by.).

 

To be fair, it echoes some of my family get togethers. Take my dad and my uncle david. Both born and brought up on a tough manchester council estate (i took my dad yesterday for his birthday... he says its the worst birthday present he has ever had... he's a city fan BTW). Both peas from the same pod.

 

One of them worked his arse off to the top of the IT industry (he became a senior vice president for IBM at the end of the1980's) and the other one got involved in the extreme left and is still mates with Scargill. One of them was and still is an inspiration to me, who climbed the ladder against adversity. The other one is a bitter and sad individual. Always blames everyone else for everything and is insanely jealous. A militant leftie to the core.

 

At the end of the day, they both had the same. The difference between them came down to attitude. That's why I am proud of my Dad and pity the millitant socialist. I guess it is one of the main reasons i am turned off the politics of the left. So there you go, if you want to know why I enjoy leftie-baiting, blame my uncle david. It's not difficult to get him going.

 

I've even named a roundabout after him. My dad now lives in west wittering, which is the more upmarket wittering. I don't know if youve ever been to the beach there, but when youre heading home, you get to the mini roundabout at Birdham. Those from west wittering are forced to stop and give way to those from east wittering (the lesser of the witterings). There you have it... Uncle Davids roundabout.

 

Hey, maybe you should come round for lunch sometime?

Edited 2 May, 2016 by Johnny Bognor

[Hockey_saint]

To be fair, it echoes some of my family get togethers. Take my dad and my uncle david. Both born and brought up on a tough manchester council estate (i took my dad yesterday for his birthday... he says its the worst birthday present he has ever had... he's a city fan BTW). Both peas from the same pod.

 

One of them worked his arse off to the top of the IT industry (he became a senior vice president for IBM at the end of the1980's) and the other one got involved in the extreme left and is still mates with Scargill. One of them was and still is an inspiration to me, who climbed the ladder against adversity. The other one is a bitter and sad individual. Always blames everyone else for everything and is insanely jealous. A militant leftie to the core.

 

At the end of the day, they both had the same. The difference between them came down to attitude. That's why I am proud of my Dad and pity the millitant socialist. I guess it is one of the main reasons i am turned off the politics of the left. So there you go, if you want to know why I enjoy leftie-baiting, blame my uncle david. It's not difficult to get him going.

 

I've even named a roundabout after him. My dad now lives in west wittering, which is the more upmarket wittering. I don't know if youve ever been to the beach there, but when youre heading home, you get to the mini roundabout at Birdham. Those from west wittering are forced to stop and give way to those from east wittering (the lesser of the witterings). There you have it... Uncle Davids roundabout.

 

Hey, maybe you should come round for lunch sometime?

 

That's a pretty outstanding reason why. I mean, I just get annoyed by (I do the same to the rightys I know) comments like "these lefties/corbynites" as if we're all the same and we're doing it for the same reason. Not true; I personally don't understand why being of the left shouldnt stop you aspiring to be better (I still cringe at myself explaining to my niece that there isn't a k in something as "people will judge the way in which you speak in life" and "you don't want to sound like you're from the gutter" and "you have to try to aspire to better yourself") I, as mentioned here am a disabled person and I just see so much taking a dump on societies poorest, the weak, the sick and I do often associate that with the right and think "arseholes" sometimes and often can't understand the mindset of people who would openly vote for that sort of thing with the excuse "my taxes pay for that", please forgive me for the tangent.

 

But that's about the best reason for voting to the right that I've kinda heard.

[cambsaint]

Firstly, you know the word socialist in the NSDAP is an abhorrent misuse of the word but you also understand that the reason Corbyn got in is NOT because a large percentage of Labour voters want a bunch of Trotsky-obsessed old men in but the overall feel is that Labour, whilst searching for the centre ground have actually gone too far and are basically no better than the conservative party...which they are failing at too right? That's why those on the right will not win anything too.

You understand that. ]

 

Probably a lot better than you.

 

Being out of touch with Labour politics, and very against Blair and many of his policies, I at first thought that Corbyn may be a breath of fresh air, and the Labour Party might return to its roots as a radical democratic socialist party.

 

I was soon disabused of this notion as Corbyn's totally ineffectual incompetence became apparent, and the fact that the extreme left were again attempting entryism.

 

If you disagree then kindly comment on the following:

 

Firstly the most telling comment on the attacks on the disabled was made by my Tory MP, Heidi Allen. This should have been a golden opportunity for any competent opposition.

 

The omnishambles of the last budget and the total failure of Osborne's fiscal policies have gone almost unnoticed. The most telling comments have been made by journalists, Corbyn has been totally ineffective.

 

The Tories are in chaos re Europe. Labour is having a negligible effect on the argument.

 

Corbyn has apparently been told by his own party members not to go to South Wales or Scotland as the electorate there are believed to hold him and his metropolitan lefty mates in contempt.

 

It becomes quite clear why he has been a political nobody until he is too old to be effective.

 

PS I have just watched a piece on BBC lunchtime news that really encapsulates all the problems.

One can't argue with his comments, but he is completely of getting it across to the electorate.

The journo pointed out that his Labour opponents are disunited.

Probably because the anti Blairites moderate left wingers like me, don't want the right wing Blairites to gain power, and vice-versa.

[trousers]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/hamas-welcomes-jeremy-corbyns-refusal-to-condemn-islamist-group/

 

Hamas said on Monday that it “welcomed” Labour Party Leader Jeremy Corbyn’s reported refusal to condemn the Islamist organization.

 

We welcome the declaration of the Labour Chairman and see his engagement as a very important statement that is also a painful hit that the Zionist enemy received. It comes as part of the international boycott campaign that the enemy (Israel) is suffering from. This campaign is succeeding on both the economic and political levels and it comes at a moment that the enemy is facing difficulties in justifying its crimes against the Palestinian people.

 

We consider the statements of the Labour leader to be an important message to people in Western countries that Hamas is not and will not be considered a terrorist group and our struggle is reduced to the borders of occupied Palestine.

Edited 3 May, 2016 by trousers

[aintforever]

I'm no fan of Corbyn but it makes sense to talk to these people instead of just labelling them as evil, that applies to both sides.

[buctootim]

I'm no fan of Corbyn but it makes sense to talk to these people instead of just labelling them as evil, that applies to both sides.

 

Exactly. Like it or not Hamas are the elected government of the Palestinian territory. Why did they get elected? Because Israeli and American policy to repeatedly humiliate and frustrate Fatah's attempts at a peaceful solution destroyed the influence of moderates.

[st alex]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/hamas-welcomes-jeremy-corbyns-refusal-to-condemn-islamist-group/

 

Hamas are the ruling party of the Government of Palestine and are democratically elected. They're no more a terrorist organisation than the Isreali government.

 

Not sure how this is any different from Cameron's alliance with the Saudis, and the non-democratic, non elected ruling King of Saudi Arabia who has a human rights record comparable to ISIS. Why kick up a fuss if Corbyn does it but not when Cameron does the same?

[Jonnyboy]

To be fair, it echoes some of my family get togethers. Take my dad and my uncle david. Both born and brought up on a tough manchester council estate (i took my dad yesterday for his birthday... he says its the worst birthday present he has ever had... he's a city fan BTW). Both peas from the same pod.

 

One of them worked his arse off to the top of the IT industry (he became a senior vice president for IBM at the end of the1980's) and the other one got involved in the extreme left and is still mates with Scargill. One of them was and still is an inspiration to me, who climbed the ladder against adversity. The other one is a bitter and sad individual. Always blames everyone else for everything and is insanely jealous. A militant leftie to the core.

 

At the end of the day, they both had the same. The difference between them came down to attitude. That's why I am proud of my Dad and pity the millitant socialist. I guess it is one of the main reasons i am turned off the politics of the left. So there you go, if you want to know why I enjoy leftie-baiting, blame my uncle david. It's not difficult to get him going.

 

I've even named a roundabout after him. My dad now lives in west wittering, which is the more upmarket wittering. I don't know if youve ever been to the beach there, but when youre heading home, you get to the mini roundabout at Birdham. Those from west wittering are forced to stop and give way to those from east wittering (the lesser of the witterings). There you have it... Uncle Davids roundabout.

 

Hey, maybe you should come round for lunch sometime?

 

Lunch round Bognor's sounds sh*t.

[Jonnyboy]

Hamas are the ruling party of the Government of Palestine and are democratically elected. They're no more a terrorist organisation than the Isreali government.

 

Not sure how this is any different from Cameron's alliance with the Saudis, and the non-democratic, non elected ruling King of Saudi Arabia who has a human rights record comparable to ISIS. Why kick up a fuss if Corbyn does it but not when Cameron does the same?

 

Exactly. People ***** and moan about Corbyns message not getting across but even Channel 4 news is getting stuck in over the anti-semitism farce. If Corbyn is to be forced to give evidence at a committee I hope Cameron will be giving evidence regarding islamophobia and racism in senior Conservative ranks.

[Johnny Bognor]

Lunch round Bognor's sounds sh*t.

 

Hey, i'll do potato smiley faces and turkey dinosaurs just for you

[hutch]

Take the fact that Corbyn once described it as his “honour and pleasure” to host “our friends” from Hamas and Hezbollah in parliament. According to Corbyn, he extended his invitation to the aforementioned groups – and spoke of them glowingly – because all sides need to be involved in the peace process.

 

So far, so reasonable. Yet negotiation is not on Hamas’s agenda, as Corbyn ought to know. In its charter Hamas states: “Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad.”

 

It isn’t a peaceful negotiated solution that Hamas wants; it’s the destruction of the Jews. Here is a direct quote from Hamas’s charter: “The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: ‘The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!’” If this were not bad enough, Corbyn has also:

 

• Taken tea on the parliamentary terrace with Raed Salah, who he described as “a very honoured citizen” despite that fact that Salah was charged with inciting anti-Jewish racism and violence in January 2008 in Jerusalem and sentenced to eight months in prison. He was found by a British court judge to have used the “blood libel”, the medieval antisemitic canard that Jews use gentile blood for ritual purposes;

 

• Written a letter defending Stephen Sizer, the vicar disciplined by the Church of England for linking to an article on social media entitled 9/11: Israel Did It;

 

• Presented a call-in programme on Press TV, a propaganda channel of the Iranian government which was banned by Ofcom and which regularly hosts Holocaust deniers;

 

• Been accused of donating money to self-proclaimed Holocaust denier Paul Eisen, whose Deir Yassin Remembered group has been shunned by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, in the name of refusing to “turn a blind eye to antisemitism”. Corbyn has addressed that claim via his spokesman, who said that “Jeremy Corbyn’s office” had had no contact with Eisen and that Corbyn disassociated himself from his extreme views – a denial that seems neither forceful nor convincing.

Corbyn is now finding that courting the sizeable Muslim vote in the UK comes at a price.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Labour candidate for London Khan admits calling moderate Muslims Uncle Toms

[Batman]

Grim night for the him

[CB Fry]

Grim night for the him

Annoyingly nowhere near grim enough.

 

Already being spun by rabid Corbynistas as the greatest electoral victory since President Kennedy.

 

Big fan of Jo Cox, Labour MP taking Jeremy apart on BBC this morning. Also, quite fit.

[hutch]

Annoyingly nowhere near grim enough.

 

Already being spun by rabid Corbynistas as the greatest electoral victory since President Kennedy.

 

Big fan of Jo Cox, Labour MP taking Jeremy apart on BBC this morning. Also, quite fit.

 

To be fair they are right. Labour are firmly on course to keep the Tory majority at the next general election in double figures.

[Hockey_saint]

Annoyingly nowhere near grim enough.

 

Already being spun by rabid Corbynistas as the greatest electoral victory since President Kennedy.

 

Big fan of Jo Cox, Labour MP taking Jeremy apart on BBC this morning. Also, quite fit.

 

Do bare in mind Labour got slaughtered in the council elections immediately after 1997 so I suppose this doesn't mean much.

[Batman]

Do bare in mind Labour got slaughtered in the council elections immediately after 1997 so I suppose this doesn't mean much.

 

it is the first time since 1985 that the opposition has lost seats at this stage. or something like that

it is supposed to be the government that gets the bloody nose.

 

it is at the point that the opposition are patting each other on the back for not losing as heavily as predicted.

depsite the Tory's all over the place.

 

this is the opposition...!!!!

[Hockey_saint]

it is the first time since 1985 that the opposition has lost seats at this stage. or something like that

it is supposed to be the government that gets the bloody nose.

 

it is at the point that the opposition are patting each other on the back for not losing as heavily as predicted.

depsite the Tory's all over the place.

 

this is the opposition...!!!!

 

Good question; the actual labour supporters in Scotland seem to vote SNP (and you know this has to be true when their youngest MP, on her opening speech in the commons uses a Benn speech) and half of them in England seem to vote UKIP...Like it or not, this probably has a lot to do with Blair and Corbyn but either way, I think, as posted above, this does seem dire as Labour should be hammering the conservatives as they're all over the shop at the minute.

[hutch]

So you've got to stage 1 - denial. Just 4 more to go

[LGTL]

The state of this country. Tories in a mess, U turn after U turn, and there is absolutely no credible alternative. Excellent.

[Hockey_saint]

The state of this country. Tories in a mess, U turn after U turn, and there is absolutely no credible alternative. Excellent.

 

It's sad isn't it? I am always hopeful but I suppose I am beginning to get a bit fed up with no return punch or a decent fight from Labour (obviously other than with themselves.)

[Batman]

It's sad isn't it? I am always hopeful but I suppose I am beginning to get a bit fed up with no return punch or a decent fight from Labour (obviously other than with themselves.)

 

the man at the top is an appalling leader of a major political party

simple as that

[Wade Garrett]

Labour need Dan Jarvis at the helm. Corbyn is the best friend the Tories have.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Hockey's bonkers analysis seems to be that labout have plenty of supporters , but they just vote for someone else when an election comes around

[Hockey_saint]

Hockey's bonkers analysis seems to be that labout have plenty of supporters , but they just vote for someone else when an election comes around

 

Or don't vote at all. Nothing bonkers about it.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Or don't vote at all. Nothing bonkers about it.

 

Maybe you're right . Maybe people show their support by voting for another party , or not bothering at all . If only labourites hadn't voted Tory, Ed would be pm now

[Hockey_saint]

Well, or abstained, voted UKIP or Liberals....Democracy is an interesting thing isn't it?

 

The turn out was quite low and the conservative lead wasn't fantastic (not as fantastic as they currently act like it is anyhow...what with ignoring people in the commons whilst playing with their phones for example).

[Lord Duckhunter]

What are you , stuck in the 1950's . Most people don't vote tribally nowadays . They're not " life long " supporters of any party . They clearly don't like labour since Blair , until you accept that and change, your party is doomed. Labour seem to think the voters are wrong .

[Jonnyboy]

What are you , stuck in the 1950's . Most people don't vote tribally nowadays . They're not " life long " supporters of any party . They clearly don't like labour since Blair , until you accept that and change, your party is doomed. Labour seem to think the voters are wrong .

 

 

So you're saying Blair and Corbyn are similar?

[Hockey_saint]

What are you , stuck in the 1950's . Most people don't vote tribally nowadays . They're not " life long " supporters of any party . They clearly don't like labour since Blair , until you accept that and change, your party is doomed. Labour seem to think the voters are wrong .

 

I assume you are misreading me because that's what I've said. The new (blue, Blairites) labour bunch won't get in because people are sick of Blair and new Labour politics; the old Labour ones won't get in because they are (supposedly) too far to the left as people remember pre-Thatcher days and therefore people are either abstaining or voting for someone else. I highly doubt most are voting Conservative however.

[Lord Duckhunter]

So you're saying Blair and Corbyn are similar?

 

When I wrote " since Blair " I meant post Blair . Basically labour need to accept the voters are to the right of Brown -Corbyn . The only time they've won in nearly 40 years is with a " red Tory" , until they grasp the reasons they're destined for permanent opposition

[Lord Duckhunter]

I assume you are misreading me because that's what I've said. The new (blue, Blairites) labour bunch won't get in because people are sick of Blair and new Labour politics; the old Labour ones won't get in because they are (supposedly) too far to the left as people remember pre-Thatcher days and therefore people are either abstaining or voting for someone else. I highly doubt most are voting Conservative however.

 

You lefties maybe sick with " Blairittes " and New labour policies but the voters aren't . Cameron / Blair there's a ciggie paper between them , Why don't lefties wake up and smell the coffee .

[Goatboy]

You lefties maybe sick with " Blairittes " and New labour policies but the voters aren't . Cameron / Blair there's a ciggie paper between them , Why don't lefties wake up and smell the coffee .

 

I'd say this is exactly what's happening.

[Hockey_saint]

You lefties maybe sick with " Blairittes " and New labour policies but the voters aren't . Cameron / Blair there's a ciggie paper between them , Why don't lefties wake up and smell the coffee .

 

The last election results would suggest otherwise concerning not being sick of Blair and his new Labour politics although at the minute, his lot appear to be throwing their toys out of the pram quite a bit in public, which is kinda not on in any party. I think a few things contribute to this though, the A8 states vote that Blair lobbied for, the traditional Labour voters in Scotland moving over to the SNP and UKIP in England but I do take issue with this "non-tribal" notion of yours as I would never dream of voting conservative as I kinda have a conscience...Also the same reason I'd not vote for Labour if someone like Liz Kendall was in charge.

[Jonnyboy]

it is the first time since 1985 that the opposition has lost seats at this stage. or something like that

it is supposed to be the government that gets the bloody nose.

 

it is at the point that the opposition are patting each other on the back for not losing as heavily as predicted.

depsite the Tory's all over the place.

 

this is the opposition...!!!!

 

Now the final figures are in we see the Tories actually lost more seats than Labour and an even higher % of those they already held. So yes the government has had a bloody nose. Not that you'll hear the BBC (right leaning) reporting that.

[cambsaint]

Now the final figures are in we see the Tories actually lost more seats than Labour and an even higher % of those they already held. So yes the government has had a bloody nose. Not that you'll hear the BBC (right leaning) reporting that.

 

You must be one of a very few people who consider the BBC is right leaning.

Because of the abysmal performance of Corbyn, and the demise of the Liberals, they are one of the few reasonable critics of the government.

[CB Fry]

The last election results would suggest otherwise concerning not being sick of Blair and his new Labour politics although at the minute, his lot appear to be throwing their toys out of the pram quite a bit in public, which is kinda not on in any party. I think a few things contribute to this though, the A8 states vote that Blair lobbied for, the traditional Labour voters in Scotland moving over to the SNP and UKIP in England but I do take issue with this "non-tribal" notion of yours as I would never dream of voting conservative as I kinda have a conscience...Also the same reason I'd not vote for Labour if someone like Liz Kendall was in charge.

 

I must have missed Tony Blair standing at the last election. You seem to be 11 years out of date.

 

Liz Kendall and a new, young Labour team would have delivered a huge swing to Labour yesterday, not the meagre gruel of nothing that idiot Corbyn and cronies are dishing up as some great triumph.

Edited 6 May, 2016 by CB Fry

[Hockey_saint]

You must be one of a very few people who consider the BBC is right leaning.

Because of the abysmal performance of Corbyn, and the demise of the Liberals, they are one of the few reasonable critics of the government.

 

Until the government threaten to remove their licence....which they've done a few times...kinda keeps them in line. Also, CB, don't play dumb. You know Blair's politics have radically altered Labour and now it's basically full of the type of MP he liked...You know, the ones that don't seem to give two hoots about Labour voters.

[Batman]

Now the final figures are in we see the Tories actually lost more seats than Labour and an even higher % of those they already held. So yes the government has had a bloody nose. Not that you'll hear the BBC (right leaning) reporting that.

 

the government usually get a pasting in this election. No matter what colour. 1985 being the exception

Ed milliband's labour blew this version of the party out of the water in 2011. It was a whitewash in comparison. How did that go in the end?

 

in 2016, Labour still LOST councillors

2011, they Gained nearly 900

Edited 7 May, 2016 by Batman

[CB Fry]

Until the government threaten to remove their licence....which they've done a few times...kinda keeps them in line. Also, CB, don't play dumb. You know Blair's politics have radically altered Labour and now it's basically full of the type of MP he liked...You know, the ones that don't seem to give two hoots about Labour voters.

 

Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband are not and were not "Blairites".

 

Ed especially was voted in on a trade union, old left mandate but is now written off as a "Blairite" by rabid Corbynistas.

 

There's no evidence whatsoever that Corbyn and the Islington set give any "hoot" at all for the electorate, holed up in their 1981 theme-pub bunker rabbiting pointless nothings about CND and Israel and the Falklands.

 

And anyway you kinda want the electorate to "give a hoot" about you, not the other way round. That's, like, the point of political parties and that's how you win power and make changes.

 

You might want Labour to be an insular echo-chamber pressure group but the electorate have and will reject them and this current rabble won't ever get close to power or enacting change.