Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 November, 2015 Posted 12 November, 2015 I don't think so. That's not the way I read all of your comments in the same vein. See post number 890.
Hamilton Saint Posted 12 November, 2015 Posted 12 November, 2015 See post number 890. I just did. You seem to want to have it both ways. You clearly are critical of what JC did during the ceremony. No?
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 12 November, 2015 Posted 12 November, 2015 I just did. You seem to want to have it both ways. You clearly are critical of what JC did during the ceremony. No? No, not at all. He didn't do anything wrong, followed it all to the letter.
View From The Top Posted 12 November, 2015 Posted 12 November, 2015 At 1/2 term I was in Belgium again, Flanders to be exact. I go on a regular basis as it's the heartland of cycling but also because of Ypres, Messines, Zonnebeke, Passchendale and countless other blood-soaked places. When you ride around and see cemetery after cemetery, memorial after memorial, the thick clinging Flanders mud, the grey skies with a bitter wind cutting in off the sea you can't help but be moved and angry but the futility of it all. At Tyne Cot there was a piped band with a lone piper playing a lament. The sound of the pipes drifting across the battlefield moved me to tears in a way I've not felt since I visited the Somme. I'm ex-military, fought in a war, studied for a degree in history and I find it easy to attend remembrance parade to pay my respects to the fallen whilst hating war and those leaders who cause them.
badgerx16 Posted 12 November, 2015 Posted 12 November, 2015 I'm ex-military, fought in a war, studied for a degree in history and I find it easy to attend remembrance parade to pay my respects to the fallen whilst hating war and those leaders who cause them. I suspect many, if not most, of the veterans at the Cenotaph feel the same way.
Jonnyboy Posted 12 November, 2015 Posted 12 November, 2015 Excellent post, but I was winding him up. Cvnt.
TopGun Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 So where is Corbyn post Paris attacks? Incredibly silent.
buctootim Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 (edited) So where is Corbyn post Paris attacks? Incredibly silent. Utterly silent. Especially if you've got fingers in your ears https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw http://labourlist.org/2015/11/jeremy-corbyn-this-is-an-attack-on-all-of-us/ Edited 16 November, 2015 by buctootim
TopGun Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 (edited) Good stuff Buctootim. Fingers in my ears so I didn't hear a letter from Corbyn. How about a proper statement of intent? Edited 16 November, 2015 by TopGun
buctootim Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 (edited) Good stuff Buctootim. Fingers in my ears so I didn't hear a letter from Corbyn. How about a proper statement of intent? So you didnt follow the link I gave to watch the Sky news interview. Fingers in ears. Heres another one if you arent good at googling. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1229074/Jeremy-Corbyn-Paris-attack-us.html Edited 16 November, 2015 by buctootim
TopGun Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Not really. You have provided no link to such thing at all.
TopGun Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 So you didnt follow the link I gave to watch the Sky news interview. Fingers in ears. Heres another one if you arent good at googling. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1229074/Jeremy-Corbyn-Paris-attack-us.html Censored edit for yourself. Nice.
buctootim Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Not really. You have provided no link to such thing at all. Its on the first link . His twitter feed.
buctootim Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Censored edit for yourself. Nice. Wow whats up with you today? I changed it because the second Huffington post link didnt go directly to the video so I knew you would deny it existed. Tech phobe or disingenuous?
TopGun Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 (edited) Para phrase of Buctootim's Daily Mail find of JC. 'It's terrible we must hope it doesn't happen to us inclusive types.' What a leader. Edited 16 November, 2015 by TopGun
buctootim Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Para phrase of Buctootim's Daily Mail find of JC. 'It's terrible we must and hope it doesn't happen to us inclusive types.' What a leader. So you lied about him being silent because you didnt like what he said. Im glad thats clear.
TopGun Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Wow whats up with you today? I changed it because the second Huffington post link didnt go directly to the video so I knew you would deny it existed. Tech phobe or disingenuous? JC has spent years objecting to things when it doesn't matter. Now it does. He needs to accept that or relinquish the Labour Party leadership.
TopGun Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 So you lied about him being silent because you didnt like what he said. Im glad thats clear. Uh, where did I lie? Please tell me and everyone else? [that's a pretty big accusation also]
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 So you didnt follow the link I gave to watch the Sky news interview. Fingers in ears. Heres another one if you arent good at googling. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1229074/Jeremy-Corbyn-Paris-attack-us.html I'm getting confused . I thought anything in the Daily Fail was horse shiete, lefties posting links to it. Strange times indeed. There is a lot you can throw at Old Jezza ,from his incompantance , to the total abandonment of some " principles" . This however is not a stick to beat him with. The leader of the opposition can't go round spouting off and commenting every 5 minutes , if he did he'd be accused of making political capital out if it. Old Jezza has behaved perfectly respectfully and correctly at present , whether that continues if Cameron wants to go into Syria and bomb their medieval arses is another matter . As is his support for any additional powers our protectors want , but at the moment he's done nothing wrong .
buctootim Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 (edited) There is a lot you can throw at Old Jezza ,from his incompantance , to the total abandonment of some " principles" . This however is not a stick to beat him with. The leader of the opposition can't go round spouting off and commenting every 5 minutes , if he did he'd be accused of making political capital out if it. Old Jezza has behaved perfectly respectfully and correctly at present , whether that continues if Cameron wants to go into Syria and bomb their medieval arses is another matter . As is his support for any additional powers our protectors want , but at the moment he's done nothing wrong . Fair comment. I dont agree with a lot of his policies but the hysteria of taking offence at every tilt of his head, kiss of the hand, or sympathy with Paris is ludicrous. Edited 16 November, 2015 by buctootim
doddisalegend Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Fair comment. I dont agree with a lot of his policies but the hysteria of taking offence at every tilt of his head, kiss of the hand, or sympathy with Paris is ludicrous. That's the modern social media society we live in now. Every little thing he (or any slightly newsworthy person) does these days will be on social media after 5 minutes so someone can take offence.
hutch Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 One of the few ocasions where duckhunter is actually talking sense The next few weeks will tell us much about both Corbyn and Cameron, and that irritating little woman.
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 One of the few ocasions where duckhunter is actually talking sense The next few weeks will tell us much about both Corbyn and Cameron, and that irritating little woman. The Queen?
aintforever Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Uh, where did I lie? Please tell me and everyone else? [that's a pretty big accusation also] Probably the bit where you said he's been silent when he hasn't been silent. Just a guess.
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Probably the bit where you said he's been silent when he hasn't been silent. Just a guess. For most people posting on twitter counts as being silent. I would not describe that as a public statement. I won't beat him up over it though.
aintforever Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 For most people posting on twitter counts as being silent. I would not describe that as a public statement. I won't beat him up over it though. Broadcasting something over the world wide web is hardly being silent.
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Broadcasting something over the world wide web is hardly being silent. Twitter is not broadcasting, nothing on the World Wide Web is broadcast. You have to go and look for it. It's the equivalent of posting a notice on your front door.
Johnny Bognor Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 I put this on the Paris thread, but might be more relevant here... Mr Corbyn was asked by BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg whether he would be happy to order police or the military to shoot to kill if there was a similar attack on Britain's streets. Mr Corbyn said: "I'm not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general - I think that is quite dangerous and I think can often can be counterproductive. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023 Allowing terrorists to run amok, shooting people in restuarants and concert halls is "quite" dangerous too, you complete and utter bellend
Guy Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 His shoot-to-kill comment (and the one about military action being a hypothetical question) just show he is not a natural politician.
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 His shoot-to-kill comment (and the one about military action being a hypothetical question) just show he is not a natural politician. No, far too honest.
aintforever Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Twitter is not broadcasting, nothing on the World Wide Web is broadcast. You have to go and look for it. It's the equivalent of posting a notice on your front door. Not when you are a politician who knows every single word you write will be picked up by the national media.
Viking Warrior Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Ah MR Corbyn . The perfect leader who would rather get in to bed with the IRA and not the British Forces. Yep let's drink tea and sandwiches with IS before they blow our heads off . You go first Mr Corbyn set the perfect example with these murdering scum before we follow you with your ideology
badgerx16 Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 I put this on the Paris thread, but might be more relevant here... Mr Corbyn was asked by BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg whether he would be happy to order police or the military to shoot to kill if there was a similar attack on Britain's streets. Mr Corbyn said: "I'm not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general - I think that is quite dangerous and I think can often can be counterproductive. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023 Allowing terrorists to run amok, shooting people in restuarants and concert halls is "quite" dangerous too, you complete and utter bellend Try not to be so selective in your quoting : "I think you have to have security that prevents people firing off weapons where you can, there are various degrees for doing things as we know. But the idea you end up with a war on the streets is not a good thing." This makes sense to me. How many Jean Charles de Menenzes' will the public tolerate ?
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 November, 2015 Posted 16 November, 2015 Not when you are a politician who knows every single word you write will be picked up by the national media. Then they have been very slow to repeat it.
whelk Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 Plenty want fairer Britain but also want terrorists taken out and willingness to be tough with our enemy not always thinking they may be in the right. Respect Corbyn but Labour Party are going to haemorrhage votes whilst he is leader.
Batman Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 (edited) edit Edited 17 November, 2015 by Batman
John B Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 Ah MR Corbyn . The perfect leader who would rather get in to bed with the IRA and not the British Forces. Yep let's drink tea and sandwiches with IS before they blow our heads off . You go first Mr Corbyn set the perfect example with these murdering scum before we follow you with your ideology Do you not see that there is a difference in Shoot to Kill anybody you think is a terrorist and reacting to terrorists who are actually actively engaged in shooting. Shoot to kill policies will cause so much more trouble like the Bloody Sunday shootings when innocent citizens are killed
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 (edited) Do you not see that there is a difference in Shoot to Kill anybody you think is a terrorist and reacting to terrorists who are actually actively engaged in shooting. Shoot to kill policies will cause so much more trouble like the Bloody Sunday shootings when innocent citizens are killed Exactly this. Meet deadly force with deadly force, but I never want Britain to become the kind of country where we shoot first just in case - like the US where a 12 year old with an airgun can get blown away. Edited 17 November, 2015 by buctootim
Viking Warrior Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 John B It's not about killing just anybody . I think it's much clearer than that . If somebody is firing a klasnakov . Then you take the guy out . If your in hostage situation with a terrorist or a gunman you try to negotiate unless there is imminent danger like at the rock concert in Paris and then you just have storm the building . Corbyn knew exactly what he was saying . Show the white flag Oh and as for Bloody Sunday . . One day the real truth will come out re the IRA and they fired first . Yes some innocents were killed . But that is a typical IRA trait .
Johnny Bognor Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 I don't think any mainstream politician would agree with a general shoot to kill policy. The previous question related specifically to the attacks in Paris, regarding more police on the streets. The follow up question was about shoot-to-kill. It was obvious that the question wasn't about STK in general, but specific to an attack. The correct answer would have been that in principle he doesn't agree with STK, but under certain circumstances, like a terrorist attack, then he would have to consider giving the order if necessary. He is not prepared to do so. It's easy to sit on your principles on the back benches, but as PM, you sometimes have to make decisions that go against your principles for the greater good. It's called leadership. As for his principles, he has sat down with Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA to negotiate settlements. Why isn't he on the next flight to Syria, being a man of principle? Ah, he knows damn well they'll cut his head off and mail it back 1st class. So much for principles, eh???
moonraker Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 The term Shoot to Kill is a media invention, the law allows the Police to use guns under very strict rules of engagement, and the fact that it is a rare event in the UK, despite being a major terrorist target leads me to believe we have it about right. Heaven help us if we ever end up like the US http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries.
paul28546 Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 He may have a few daft polices but he wont f**k up the country as much as the Tories are doing. I speak to a lot of Doctors and Teachers and the entire system is a farce. Teachers are now having to work 12 hours a day, I know at least 3. Regarding Doctors, we can kiss good by to many of our Doctors we have trained and paid for to Australia, again I personally know 2 have already bought 1 way tickets. It was Labour started free health care and the NHS and its the Tories who are selling it off. As for Being worse or better of in an era, it depends on who you are what you were doing. Many coal miners I'm sure will disagree with you in the 80's when the north was truly F**ked over. I import many goods and services from China, and rest assured, we are all better off from this cheap labour abroad and we have all beniffited over the last 30 years from this. However, globalisation in the long term is failing, the UK can not afford to compete and we can only offer services as a growth area. Many of the other sectors are in recession and I see no way of turning this around in the short term. Lastly, Robots, this is going to be the bigger than industrial revolution by a long way and will happen in a heart beat. Many jobs will go across the spectrum and will change how we live and work. Potentially **** could hit the fan and civil war will break out, but I doubt this will happen. The government will give everyone a guaranteed income to pay for services and food. Robots will carry out 70% of the work and everyone that wants to work, and where work is available, will be able to top up their income. Many academics think this will happen in about 15 years! So make the most of work while you can and then live a happy semi retirement. My grandparents were very poor and lived on the breadline but under previous labour governments Wilson / Callaghan they were far worse off . The labour welfare state policies at the time did not help them. They had worked hard all there lives but revived little help apart from family and friends. Maybe under Blair and brown they might have been better off . We will never know as they both died before blair came to power But under old old labour regime . They got little or no support . Instead they just got on with their life's the best they could . They were proud people when they were alive Corbyn - no thank you .
hutch Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 He may have a few daft polices but he wont f**k up the country as much as the Tories are doing. I speak to a lot of Doctors and Teachers and the entire system is a farce. Teachers are now having to work 12 hours a day, I know at least 3. Regarding Doctors, we can kiss good by to many of our Doctors we have trained and paid for to Australia, again I personally know 2 have already bought 1 way tickets. It was Labour started free health care and the NHS and its the Tories who are selling it off. As for Being worse or better of in an era, it depends on who you are what you were doing. Many coal miners I'm sure will disagree with you in the 80's when the north was truly F**ked over. I import many goods and services from China, and rest assured, we are all better off from this cheap labour abroad and we have all beniffited over the last 30 years from this. However, globalisation in the long term is failing, the UK can not afford to compete and we can only offer services as a growth area. Many of the other sectors are in recession and I see no way of turning this around in the short term. Lastly, Robots, this is going to be the bigger than industrial revolution by a long way and will happen in a heart beat. Many jobs will go across the spectrum and will change how we live and work. Potentially **** could hit the fan and civil war will break out, but I doubt this will happen. The government will give everyone a guaranteed income to pay for services and food. Robots will carry out 70% of the work and everyone that wants to work, and where work is available, will be able to top up their income. Many academics think this will happen in about 15 years! So make the most of work while you can and then live a happy semi retirement. :lol:
paul28546 Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 I cant work out if you are happy that Doctors and Teachers are being F**ked over or happy that you may not have to work in 15/20 years. I'm interested.
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 I cant work out if you are happy that Doctors and Teachers are being F**ked over or happy that you may not have to work in 15/20 years. I'm interested. He's probably laughing because you sound like a bit of a fantasist...
John B Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 Exactly this. Meet deadly force with deadly force, but I never want Britain to become the kind of country where we shoot first just in case - like the US where a 12 year old with an airgun can get blown away. It's simple. Shooting terrorists during a terrorist attack may be right to stop the attack, shooting them when there is a possibility of arresting them is wrong. The sad thing is Corbyn is not capable of articulating things simply and clearly, because he has never needed to in his career as a backbench rebel, and nobody much was listening anyway.
paul28546 Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 I guess that's a matter of opinion. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/06/will-robots-create-destroy-jobs.
ecuk268 Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 It gets worse.... http://newsthump.com/2015/11/10/jeremy-corbyn-in-anti-monarchy-pro-isis-ira-loving-sandwich-controversy/
Lets B Avenue Posted 17 November, 2015 Posted 17 November, 2015 I guess that's a matter of opinion. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/06/will-robots-create-destroy-jobs. Robots replacing bears! I'm appalled.
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