Whitey Grandad Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Don't know what everyone is getting excited about. Seen him a fair bit. He's good and will develop, but he's not a world beater yet and won't be the almighty saviour anymore than Cedric,Romeu or Juanmi are. That's always the case when you're building a team instead of buying one.
shurlock Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 That's always the case when you're building a team instead of buying one. We have bought one, though.
derry Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 He lost his marker against the Icelandic team for the goal, it was accepted that he was poor against Kilmarnock and if any of our centre backs had been done in the air in the two games against Malmo in the same way as VVD he'd be slaughtered on here. He may be a talent but the answer, that's a big maybe for me. Especially for £10m. As we are needing an instant solution in defence he will have to hit the ground running. Forgive me for remembering the euphoria of the Liverpool supporters on signing Lovren their defensive answer, but quickly turned on him when he wasn't quite what they thought they were getting. I just hope for his sake he is as good as people are expecting. If he signs for us he may well need time to adapt, time I'm prepared to give him.
Give it to Ron Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Agreed but they don't have a Fonte Wanyama and Romeu around helping Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Shance Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Thats what happens when you zonal mark at corners. Respectfully agree.
St.Patrik Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 The Celtic players are really loosing it now - the yellow cards keeps coming and coming
suewhistle Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 VVD is having a mare... and if he plays like this in the PL will be sitting on the timber a lot He's trying to let us get him at the cheaper out-of-the-Champions price..
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 To be fair, I think the ref has been an absolute mess tonight.
trousers Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Forgive me for remembering the euphoria of the Liverpool supporters on signing Lovren their defensive answer The Lovren situation nicely highlights that players can be more effective in some teams than they are in others. There's just as much chance of VvD being our version of Lovren rather than Liverpool's version of Lovren. Or, as much chance of VvD being our version of Alderweireld rather than the Athletico Madrid version. Perhaps we shouldn't have signed Toby on loan last season on the basis that he didn't set the world alight at his previous club...? Yours devil's advocately....
TwoPints Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 He's only got 5 more minutes of his Celtic career left.
sydenhamssocks Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 These are all recent purchases who arrived without the expectations that seem to be pitched at Van Dijk. Yes it does happen when a team is being built. It depends if you're building from the bottom up again or from a strong position already attained. The quality or readiness has to be higher if it's the latter.
derry Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Agreed but they don't have a Fonte Wanyama and Romeu around helping Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quite! However that's three goals from dead ball situations in the six yd box from Malmo. The DM's would hardly help there.
MarkSFC Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 I'll admit to not seeing him play other than some clips but he clearly has some skills that Saints like/want (supposedly) and although it can be argued that in a poor league such as Scotland he should stand out, it can also be argued that in these lower levels it's harder to develop your potential fully. It seems like he will need to up his concentration levels and consistency and although the Premier League is a big step from the Scottish league, Wanyama managed it comfortably and so there is no reason to think VVD couldn't. Also he will have better players all around him and more protection. I would not be surprised if within a few months Caulker and VVD will be our regular partnership.
spyinthesky Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 VVD seems to have pace and the ability to pass with two feet. However he doesn't seem to be particularly 'physical' or 'switched on' Really hope I am completely wrong but he seems to me to be a defensive version of Gaston Ramirez On a separate tack both the Celtic and Malmo fans create wonderful atmospheres.
Matthew Le God Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Quite! However that's three goals from dead ball situations in the six yd box from Malmo. The DM's would hardly help there. Koeman not using a zonal marking system would. Its very hard to win a header if the manager wants you to statically mark space as opposed to the opponent who is able to take a run and jump at it.
St.Patrik Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 He can drive : ) there is a bridge between Malmoe and Copenhagen nowadays Direct flight to Denmark isn't it?
derry Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 I'll admit to not seeing him play other than some clips but he clearly has some skills that Saints like/want (supposedly) and although it can be argued that in a poor league such as Scotland he should stand out, it can also be argued that in these lower levels it's harder to develop your potential fully. It seems like he will need to up his concentration levels and consistency and although the Premier League is a big step from the Scottish league, Wanyama managed it comfortably and so there is no reason to think VVD couldn't. Also he will have better players all around him and more protection. I would not be surprised if within a few months Caulker and VVD will be our regular partnership. Mark, those players you are talking about are struggling at the moment and VVD is supposed to be the missing link that gives us a cast iron defence. We played seven defensive players including three centre backs against a promoted team to try and stem the tide. Good as he looks at times there are other times he looks switched off. The Premier is a very unforgiving place and he will be up against some top class opponents. Get Bertrand back, Clasie in a midfield three and it may get a lot better as a team and it may be a lot easier for him to fit in successfully..
Norm Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 If he does sign for us, let's hope we don't see many performances like his tonight.
Shroppie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 monaco out and in the europa league Now that would be a stylish away day. Mrs S might even come. ;-) Basel would be very pleasant too. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
StratfordSaint Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 If he does sign for us, let's hope we don't see many performances like his tonight. Agreed. Didn't see anything to get excited about tonight and I watched him like a hawk! just saying...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Direct flight to Denmark isn't it? He could walk it from there.
Crab Lungs Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 He can drive : ) there is a bridge between Malmoe and Copenhagen nowadays Watched documentary on that the other day! Incredible feat of engineering!
Saint Charlie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Chris Sutton is a tad over emotional here. Haha just calling everyone an "idiot".
Shroppie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Watched documentary on that the other day! Incredible feat of engineering! Have driven it and it's fantastic Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
MarkSFC Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Mark, those players you are talking about are struggling at the moment and VVD is supposed to be the missing link that gives us a cast iron defence. We played seven defensive players including three centre backs against a promoted team to try and stem the tide. Good as he looks at times there are other times he looks switched off. The Premier is a very unforgiving place and he will be up against some top class opponents. Get Bertrand back, Clasie in a midfield three and it may get a lot better as a team and it may be a lot easier for him to fit in successfully.. I agree they are not playing to last seasons high standards but they are still quality players and so they will return to form much sooner than lower level players. The Europa league has this reputation for effecting teams in the first part of the season and I don't think it has much to do with the number of games but rather the fact that teams have to get competitive a week or two sooner and have a shorter time in pre season building unity, shape and rhythm before getting competitive. Koeman has hinted at lack of time on the training pitch and I think this is the problem he needs to sort out....plus a couple more attack minded players perhaps!
Crab Lungs Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Have driven it and it's fantastic Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk It looks it.. rather sadly, I watched a few Youtube clips of that journey!
Matthew Le God Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Chris Sutton is a tad over emotional here. Haha just calling everyone an "idiot". Sutton doesn't understand the rules either, because the ref shouldn't give a penalty and red card for such a handball when the ball was in the back of the net a split second later. Had the ref not deemed it a foul by Celtic he should have just allowed the goal to stand with no need for a penalty or sending off.
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 So do we get him now or what??? Don't think it mattered either way tbh.
Shroppie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 So do we get him now or what??? Reading on here tonight we don't want him any more as he's apparently not very good after all. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Lets B Avenue Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Now that would be a stylish away day. Mrs S might even come. ;-) Make sure she's not faking it.
Saint Charlie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Celtic Gaffer said nothing changed re VVD and doesn't want to think about that now but Chris Sutton saying he thinks its a done deal for VVD to leave. Hartson agreeing. Sutton would fit in well on this forum tbh.
Shroppie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Make sure she's not faking it. Never. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Watched documentary on that the other day! Incredible feat of engineering! We drove to Sweden last year just to go over it, and the Lillebælt too.
SaintSteve Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Let's hope Koeman can teach him to defend...plays in cruise control...wake up time in the EPL
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Chris Sutton is really all over the place here, a complete emotional mess.
Saint Charlie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 Chris Sutton is really all over the place here, a complete emotional mess. "But Burnley are spending £8m on one player FFS."
Shroppie Posted 25 August, 2015 Posted 25 August, 2015 We drove to Sweden last year just to go over it, and the Lillebælt too. Did it on a long drive all the way home from Bergen to Shropshire. Amazing experience. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
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