Mr X Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 A certain paper (the rag that is the Maily Dail) suggests spurs capture of Toby came about because Tottenham saw us as weak and vulnerable & ready to be raided, & suggest this sends out the message that not only are our better players ripe for plucking that even our transfers can easily be high-jacked as we are a weak unfashionable club that can do nowt about it! Is this pretty much how it is? Is this the message we are sending to other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 In a word "NO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 A certain paper (the rag that is the Maily Dail) suggests spurs capture of Toby came about because Tottenham saw us as weak and vulnerable & ready to be raided, & suggest this sends out the message that not only are our better players ripe for plucking that even our transfers can easily be high-jacked as we are a weak unfashionable club that can do nowt about it! Is this pretty much how it is? Is this the message we are sending to other clubs? Without even looking, I'm guessing Martin Samuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Sir Robin Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Nope. We're nothing if not fashionable right now. I think it's more likely that other teams see as a small, but growing, club stuffed with great but expensive talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 (edited) He was not our player in the first place, so how could Spurs raid 'us' for him? Aside from that, if a club has a bigger wallet and reputation we will be vulnerable to losing our players. Possibly even more so then Everton/Villa based on the fact we only recently were in League 1. Given time our star will continue to rise. Time. Edited 14 July, 2015 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 They see us as having good players who have proven themselves in PL football, who in turn they know will be happy to get a pay rise and play for a bigger club. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 No. The only other teams who may try to 'pluck' from us are the so-called 'Top 6' - [just about] including Spuds. And lets face it they pluck from everyone they can, not just us. This is the Daily Fail trying to put us back in our 'place'... again. How often have teams like West Ham, Sunderland, Everton or Villa raided our players recently? No, it's not about us. We're doing ok, thanks. Not the biggest, but big enough and still growing, still improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 A certain paper (the rag that is the Maily Dail) suggests spurs capture of Toby came about because Tottenham saw us as weak and vulnerable & ready to be raided, & suggest this sends out the message that not only are our better players ripe for plucking that even our transfers can easily be high-jacked as we are a weak unfashionable club that can do nowt about it! Is this pretty much how it is? Is this the message we are sending to other clubs? Laughable. They picked Toby off Athletico not us. It was, it turned out, Toby's preference and nothing to do with hijacking. As far as the other departures are concerned I doubt many would see the high transfer fees as evidence of us being easy pickings. Quite the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Nope. We're nothing if not fashionable right now. I think it's more likely that other teams see as a small, but growing, club stuffed with great but expensive talent. About right, although I'd say medium sized club as small clubs don't get 30k gates in League 1. Given how much Man U and Liverpool have had to shell out for Shaw, Morgan, Lovren and Lallana (between £90-100m), they see as tough negotiators but that we had a quality cohort of players who they felt would strengthen them and whom in 3 cases are English-qualified. The fees have helped Saints deepen our squad, which was very thin first season back in the PL, and make remarkable progress as a relatively recently promoted club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Seeing how much cash we've rinsed out of the big boys I hardly call us weak. 20 million for Lovern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Would be nice if the owner spent more of her 3billion fortune on the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Its pretty basic. There is a pecking order in football based on money, not size of support. The top PL 6 have more money so get first pick over us. We have more money than Feyenoord, Sporting, Salzburg etc so have first pick over them. Im not sure why people have to personalise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 I'm looking forward to the article from the Mail suggesting that Spurs are seen as weak, because they cannot keep their star players like Bale and Modric when the really big clubs come knocking on their door. Also, although they wished to buy Schneiderlin and Rodriguez from us, they couldn't manage either, because Schneiderlin went to a much bigger club and Rodriguez is happy to stay here for the time being. As for how the other clubs see us, how would the Daily Fail know? I don't see any of the clubs below us believing that we are a soft touch and those above us like Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd will have reason to believe that we are pretty astute in getting mega-bucks for the players that they want and whom we don't need to sell unless we get an offer we can't refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Saleshampton FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 So far last years pickings have been underwhelming at their new clubs. This year Clyne has to step out in the unforgiving atmosphere at Anfield in virtually the same crap defence and James Milner in off the wing playing CM with Henderson, what could go wrong? Schneiderlin like Lambert has been playing for a team that has been built around him, now he has to go to MU and fit in to a star player set up with a back four that isn't that convincing and a new keeper. Time will tell but is his groin a continuing weakness as last season. Alderweireld to Tottenham suffered from hamstring weakness last year and probably only played CB for about half our games with a few at CM and RB. Spurs are asking a lot to expect that he will stay fit and shore up their poor defence. My point, if last years don't improve drastically including Shaw and this years three seamlessly step in and improve the performances of their new teams there may well be a reaction where teams will be less likely to pay lots for our players. The question is it the talent or the blend at Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 I'm looking forward to the article from the Mail suggesting that Spurs are seen as weak, because they cannot keep their star players like Bale and Modric when the really big clubs come knocking on their door. Also, although they wished to buy Schneiderlin and Rodriguez from us, they couldn't manage either, because Schneiderlin went to a much bigger club and Rodriguez is happy to stay here for the time being. As for how the other clubs see us, how would the Daily Fail know? I don't see any of the clubs below us believing that we are a soft touch and those above us like Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd will have reason to believe that we are pretty astute in getting mega-bucks for the players that they want and whom we don't need to sell unless we get an offer we can't refuse. spurs dont sell 7 players over 2 seasons....or 9 over 3 seasons (or what ever it is). They will sell their star players at a rate of 3 maybe 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 About right, although I'd say medium sized club as small clubs don't get 30k gates in League 1. And that is how most realistic Saints fans probably see us. Southampton is a 'medium' sized city and that is reflected in the football club. Compared to the top 5 or 6 everyone else is 'small' but out of 85 other league clubs, as for size, we sit within the top 10, as for quality, the league table speaks for itself. In League One/Championship we were a "big" club in the eyes of many opposition fans - the skates look big for League Two (only just) and, as they like to think down there, everyone's "cup final" but in the Premier League they were tiddlers and couldn't regularly fill 21k even in the 'good' times. We're in a good place and likely to grow as a club if we can keep it going, everything's in place but others are catching up. Medium-sized Saints to keep bothering the big-boys imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 So far last years pickings have been underwhelming at their new clubs. This year Clyne has to step out in the unforgiving atmosphere at Anfield in virtually the same crap defence and James Milner in off the wing playing CM with Henderson, what could go wrong? Schneiderlin like Lambert has been playing for a team that has been built around him, now he has to go to MU and fit in to a star player set up with a back four that isn't that convincing and a new keeper. Time will tell but is his groin a continuing weakness as last season. Alderweireld to Tottenham suffered from hamstring weakness last year and probably only played CB for about half our games with a few at CM and RB. Spurs are asking a lot to expect that he will stay fit and shore up their poor defence. My point, if last years don't improve drastically including Shaw and this years three seamlessly step in and improve the performances of their new teams there may well be a reaction where teams will be less likely to pay lots for our players. The question is it the talent or the blend at Southampton? The difficulties that last year's departed players have had are not in doubt but I think there's a bit of wishfull thinking here about this year's, especially MS. No way was our team built around him. He's actually the complete opposite. He plays for the team. That's his strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Of course we are ripe for the picking. So is every other team that has less resources than the club looking to buy from them. We only get tagged with this moniker as our scouting and then subsequent coaching / development blows most other clubs out of the water. As frustrating as it is, I'd rather be a club that has the big teams chasing our players every summer than a club like Sunderland or Aston Villa who spend money on turd and then have turd seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 spurs dont sell 7 players over 2 seasons....or 9 over 3 seasons (or what ever it is). They will sell their star players at a rate of 3 maybe 5 years They don't have many star players. Lloris, Erikssen, Kane. I'm not sure the top 4 would be overly fussed about any of their other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 The difficulties that last year's departed players have had are not in doubt but I think there's a bit of wishfull thinking here about this year's, especially MS. No way was our team built around him. He's actually the complete opposite. He plays for the team. That's his strength. Only time will tell how they do. Schneiderlin was allowed to play the way he liked with us and the structure took account of that. At MU he will have to compete, adapt and fit in with LVG, that may not be that easy. Making the blend work is the secret ingredient which often fails with a multitude of star players that just don't gel. I'm not so sure it's going to be that easy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 spurs dont sell 7 players over 2 seasons....or 9 over 3 seasons (or what ever it is). They will sell their star players at a rate of 3 maybe 5 years They only sell their top players at a low rate because the bigger clubs already have better players than most of them anyway. It is only players like Bale and Modric, possibly Kane and Lloris out of the current crop, who could be deemed as good enough to turn the heads of the bigger teams. However, there are several players at the level beneath those few top players who they have sold recently and who they are looking to sell soon, mostly the dross that they bought in when they splurged the dosh from the Bale windfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 We aren't weak. Name one team below us who have hung on to a player as good as Morgan or Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 A certain paper (the rag that is the Maily Dail) suggests spurs capture of Toby came about because Tottenham saw us as weak and vulnerable & ready to be raided, & suggest this sends out the message that not only are our better players ripe for plucking that even our transfers can easily be high-jacked as we are a weak unfashionable club that can do nowt about it! Is this pretty much how it is? Is this the message we are sending to other clubs? Spurs view us as so weak and vulnerable that they got Jay and Morgan off us at knock down prices. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 We are a "showcase club" (Les Reed's words). We identify young talent for minimal price, add value to it over a period time, then sell on at high price. That's a business model I am comfortable with. I accept players will fly the nest when they are ready, but we will develop more fledgelings. Let's see the positive in that model, rather than decry us as a selling club. After all, all clubs sell. Even Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 We aren't weak. Name one team below us who have hung on to a player as good as Morgan or Lallana. Let's try. Everton - Leighton Baines Aston Villa - Fabian Delph Tricky game this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 14 July, 2015 Author Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Without even looking, I'm guessing Martin Samuel? correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Everton - Leighton Baines He's not very good, only 1m 70cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Let's try. Everton - Leighton Baines Aston Villa - Fabian Delph Tricky game this..... Neither of those players are that good that someone will come in and offer £25m for them. Baines has probably been as good for Everton as Bertrand has been for us. He makes the headlines with a few decent free kicks but is hardly a superstar. Besides Everton have almost as many players to bigger clubs as we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 A certain paper (the rag that is the Maily Dail) suggests spurs capture of Toby came about because Tottenham saw us as weak and vulnerable & ready to be raided, & suggest this sends out the message that not only are our better players ripe for plucking that even our transfers can easily be high-jacked as we are a weak unfashionable club that can do nowt about it! Is this pretty much how it is? Is this the message we are sending to other clubs? I'm fairly sure everyone in football knows that the top 6 clubs can outbid anyone else in England if they want to attract players. We're just very good at identifying players we can make a profit on. Seeing as it's part of our business model, I'm not sure we should be bothered by it until we have become a place that doesn't have any players we can make a profit on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 All clubs sell even L'pool lost Sterling when they vowed to keep him and they lost Suarez; Arsenal have lost players to their rivals, Man U lost Ronaldo to Real and so it goes on---our advantage is we have a scheme, home grown and from abroad, to replace them with younger and cheaper and hopefully in the long term they will also be as good or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Without even looking, I'm guessing Martin Samuel? Lucky guess Toby wasn't our player so who have they taken off us this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Let's try. Everton - Leighton Baines Aston Villa - Fabian Delph Tricky game this..... At the moment Delph is about the equivalent of Rodriguez, but without the injury. I'm 90% sure he'll be gone next summer no matter what Villa do (I'm not comparing him to Schneiderlin), but for now, he's probably got a new deal and the kind of whopping pay rise we can't afford - which is another salient point here. Baines's fleeting success correlates almost exactly with Everton's which meant that he always had a challenge where he was, he's also known for being a bit atypical in his outlook and it's not a surprise that even if he'd had an offer he might not have wanted to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Baines isn't that good? Someone who gets into the pfa team of the year twice must be ****? What cracks me up is people say without his free kicks he is nothing. Sounds a bit like a player we have. Except our one hasn't scored any yet where as Baines has scored around 30... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Baines isn't that good? Someone who gets into the pfa team of the year twice must be ****? Wh0osh. It was a reference to people saying Claise was too small at 1m 69cm to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 They don't have many star players. Lloris, Erikssen, Kane. I'm not sure the top 4 would be overly fussed about any of their other players. The fact spurs are trying to off load two players to the likes of Watford speaks volumes about their current squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 From Martin Samuels in the Mail:- Southampton are considering legal action after losing Toby Alderweireld to Tottenham. They claim the terms in his loan deal enabled them to sign him for £6.8m this summer, and the clause allowing Atletico Madrid to sell him for more elsewhere had expired. If true, FIFA might recommend some small compensation. Yet Tottenham’s haughtiness in pushing ahead with the deal merely underlined the loss of prestige that comes with being a selling club. Southampton may have thrived against the odds despite losing five first-team players last summer, but it harmed their status. This transfer window opened with Nathaniel Clyne’s move to Liverpool, and with Morgan Schneiderlin set for a £25m transfer to Manchester United, rivals will continue to see Southampton as ripe for plunder., rivals will continue to see Southampton as ripe for plunder. Tottenham took a liberty because they saw Southampton as weak. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 All clubs sell even L'pool lost Sterling when they vowed to keep him and they lost Suarez; Arsenal have lost players to their rivals, Man U lost Ronaldo to Real and so it goes on---our advantage is we have a scheme, home grown and from abroad, to replace them with younger and cheaper and hopefully in the long term they will also be as good or better. Look at the price Liverpool held out for for Sterling. I would say about double what he is worth. At that rate we should have got £60m for Schneiderlin or Shaw....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Weak ? Perhaps not, always ready not to turn down a good price for a player we see as easily replaceable with one at a lesser cost...perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Look at the price Liverpool held out for for Sterling. I would say about double what he is worth. At that rate we should have got £60m for Schneiderlin or Shaw....... You want to be laying off the crack pipe lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengi Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 It is Samuels that sees us as weak and ripe for picking. He has not forgiven us for surviving the 'meltdown' and staying in the PL last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Samuel's has got a massive hobby horse and that's FFP, he can't appear on Sky or Talksport without droning on about it. He claims that it makes the rich richer and the have nots weaker , and he holds us up as an example of a club hamstrung by FFP. This " weak" stuff just plays into that. I think he's totally right about FFP but slightly off course on this. I don't think its a question of SFC being any weaker than stoke, Swansea, Everton or anyone else outside the top 6 , its just that there's a gap appearing between the top 6 and everyone else. Unless we go stupid and abandon pay restraint it will remain so. Its hardly Reed and co's fault that they've done such a good job that our players are in such demand . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Samuels is a total arse. Of course we are vulnerable. Our top player earns £60k a week. A poor player at Spurs, Scouse, Rags, Citeh, Arse & Chels earns £100k a week. Whats not to get? From what I hear Delph is earning six figures too. I wonder if all of the players that left were on £120k pw at Saints if they would have gone? Never know, but I doubt all of them would.......................................... Fed up of saying it. The PL is all about the Top 6, the media, tv & journo's only care about them too.............its all a bit pointless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Baines isn't that good? Someone who gets into the pfa team of the year twice must be ****? What cracks me up is people say without his free kicks he is nothing. Sounds a bit like a player we have. Except our one hasn't scored any yet where as Baines has scored around 30... In 13 years he has managed a huge 35 goals. not that epic as you so claim, JWP is only 20, come back when he is Baines age and just about to retire and then try and say he is not as good as Baines......... 480 apps 35 goals....... Baines only managed 8 goals in his first 7 years, JWP is at 2 goals in 4 years ( + 2 goals from free kicks for England under 21's and in the 2014 Toulon Tournament his 1 of his free kicks was voted best goal too! and he was voted 3rd best player at the competition too!!!! a competition that included James Rodriguez, Lucus Silva, Edmilson. some big names played in this competition ) . i bet he will get 6 more in 3 more years.......... why are so called Saints fans so hard on are younger players, he is still a kid let him grow and mature.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 It is Samuels that sees us as weak and ripe for picking. He has not forgiven us for surviving the 'meltdown' and staying in the PL last season. and it goes back much longer than that. Remember that Rupert sued him over an article and won! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Look at the price Liverpool held out for for Sterling. I would say about double what he is worth. At that rate we should have got £60m for Schneiderlin or Shaw....... Sterling has got double the shelf life of Schneiderlin and £30m for Shaw still makes him one of the most expensive full backs ever. £49m is overpriced for Sterling but when you go after the top players, prices go up exponentially. Just look at Bale and Di Maria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 Sterling has got double the shelf life of Schneiderlin and £30m for Shaw still makes him one of the most expensive full backs ever. £49m is overpriced for Sterling but when you go after the top players, prices go up exponentially. Just look at Bale and Di Maria. English 'value' comes into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 English 'value' comes into play. Yep. That's probably good for £10m of Sterling's fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 English 'value' comes into play. This is true, but Schneiderlin actually counts as home grown as well. (Although he could lose that status if new rules for it come in.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 July, 2015 Share Posted 14 July, 2015 We're second from the left. P**py are the krill, out of the picture to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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