The9 Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Pelle just needed more help and didn't get it. Looking forward to seeing him play with Rodriguez and having a more experienced Mane all season. So much pace and running in behind to get on the end of his headers now, could be really effective. My hypothesis would be that the reason he didn't get more help (in whatever form) is because we had a side primarily concerned with not conceding rather than scoring, due to the figures about clean sheets and goals I've already mentioned. As it happens I read another article last night which showed that clean sheets are more valuable than the scoring the first TWO goals of a game, and nearly as productive in terms of points as scoring three goals. With that kind of bias it's clear why we are more bothered about not conceding than scoring. Of course, there must be a tipping point somewhere where over-defending at the expense of scoring reduces the likelihood of maximising the points from a clean sheet - for example there are a lot more 0-0s in Italy than the Premier League and as a result the value of a clean sheet is fewer points overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Yes. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11738370/Why-Christian-Benteke-could-be-a-bad-signing-for-Liverpool.html Good stats. Very interesting to see them claiming Benteke doesn't run in behind much, I thought that was one of his key strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Yes. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11738370/Why-Christian-Benteke-could-be-a-bad-signing-for-Liverpool.html hm. interesting article, thanks. I find it kind of strange since they basically say, in the last couple of years liverpool haven't had massive giants up front, like big lambert esq CFs. And when they did, they didn't get the kind of crosses because they weren't playing wide that often. Seems an odd arguement, if you spent 32 million on a player like benteke, or whatever he'd cost, surely you would try and adapt your system to fit him. Especially seeing as you've just spent money on decent players who like to play out wide like clyne who enjoys coming forward, and milner (not sure where firmino plays...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 (edited) Liverpool are an interesting case in terms of soccernomics. They bought Downing to provide crosses for Carroll. The bought a number of our players presumably because we played a similar pressing game to them so they knew the players had the right attributes. But the strange thing was that they rarely used any of the players in the way it might be assumed they bought them for. Something does not seem joined up there. Back to squad size; in my professional area I visit many industrial plants around the world and one of the common issues is the poor way companies treat their revenue producing assets. For me it is no surprise that the best clubs run on smaller squad sizes, these are the clubs who invest in better quality assets and invest in looking after them. A mantra I keep on to my clients about. The table on post 16 of this thread is a good example of that, I might try and put that into a future presentation! Edited 15 July, 2015 by positivepete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulle Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 We don't need just a physical DM...we need one with enormous talent and good physique. We could simply get another Victor but it wouldn't hep us overmuch. I am from Denmark, and in danish papers we have been linked with central midfielder Daniel Amartey. He plays for FC Copenhagen, which is a club i am also fan of, and i would definitely recommend him. He has, as a lot of us seem to want, the physical strength, 20-years of age, but is also a threat from distance, and along with his pace, he could certainly be a man for the future. He is even used as a centre back when he plays for the Ghana national team, and is furthermore quite tall. Whilst we are at it, I would also recommend Pione Sisto from FC Midtjylland, but he is probably out of our league, and is too a winger, which isnt exactly a position that we need strengthening in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Personally i'm keen for us still to have room for youngsters such as Stephens/Mccarthy/Gape/Hesketh to get opportunities along the way this season. With Clasie's arrival our first choice centre mid partnership seems to be set. Reed should be ready to deputise much more this season. A replacement would be pretty much it in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 16 July, 2015 Share Posted 16 July, 2015 http://talksport.com/football/arsenal-defender-nacho-monreal-closing-ps6m-move-athletic-bilbao-reports-150715157123 Ummm, maybe I'm missing something, but I could've sworn we signed some attacking bloke from Spain called Juanmi, supposed to be rather good ... no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 16 July, 2015 Share Posted 16 July, 2015 My hypothesis would be that the reason he didn't get more help (in whatever form) is because we had a side primarily concerned with not conceding rather than scoring, due to the figures about clean sheets and goals I've already mentioned. As it happens I read another article last night which showed that clean sheets are more valuable than the scoring the first TWO goals of a game, and nearly as productive in terms of points as scoring three goals. With that kind of bias it's clear why we are more bothered about not conceding than scoring. Of course, there must be a tipping point somewhere where over-defending at the expense of scoring reduces the likelihood of maximising the points from a clean sheet - for example there are a lot more 0-0s in Italy than the Premier League and as a result the value of a clean sheet is fewer points overall. Link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 16 July, 2015 Share Posted 16 July, 2015 Liverpool are an interesting case in terms of soccernomics. They bought Downing to provide crosses for Carroll. The bought a number of our players presumably because we played a similar pressing game to them so they knew the players had the right attributes. But the strange thing was that they rarely used any of the players in the way it might be assumed they bought them for. Something does not seem joined up there. Back to squad size; in my professional area I visit many industrial plants around the world and one of the common issues is the poor way companies treat their revenue producing assets. For me it is no surprise that the best clubs run on smaller squad sizes, these are the clubs who invest in better quality assets and invest in looking after them. A mantra I keep on to my clients about. The table on post 16 of this thread is a good example of that, I might try and put that into a future presentation! Possibly the transfer committed follows soccernomics/moneyball but not Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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