bridgeman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Calum Chambers is set to reject Ronald Koeman’s bid to bring him back to Southampton on loan. Boss Koeman wants the Arsenal defender to return for a season as a replacement for Nathaniel Clyne, 24, who joined Liverpool for £12.5million at the beginning of the month. But Chambers prefers to continue his progress under the watchful eye of Gunners chief Arsene Wenger next season. The defender, 20, joined Arsenal last summer for £16m after graduating through Saints’ academy and into the first team. Chambers had hit the ground running at the Emirates and played 23 Premier League matches in his first season and won three England caps. But he found game-time hard to come by after the emergence of Hector Bellerin, 20, and did not even get a kick for the England Under-21 side at the Euros this summer. Koeman was hoping that by offering Chambers guaranteed game-time, he could be tempted back. The rookie made 25 appearances for Saints before signing a six-year deal at the Emirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Not sure I would have him back. He made his choice let him live with it. Might be cutting ones nose off..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 He will play very very little this season. Bellerin looks brilliant and debuchy is pretty good too. He is about 4th choice at CB and arsenal are rumoured to want Jonny Evans too. Anyway, where is this report from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Looks like it is from The Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Good, wouldn't want him back on the condition that he has guaranteed game time. If we need cover then we should have cover that isn't going to strop when they don't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 intern have to think up a filler story for this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 If this rumour demonstrates the signings ambition for the remainder of the transfer window then I'm somewhat concerned. That said, its probably grade 1 bullcr@p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Seems a bit odd to me as Soares will be our right back and Yoshida can cover there. Unless we now see him as a centre back,maybe the club feel they have Maya and Gardos and are not prepared to invest any more transfer funds in that position with youth players available. I see the Vlaar rumours will not go away despite denials and his injury and he is free so maybe we just are not going to spend I that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Cedric as right back, with Martina as cover. I personally wouldn't want him back and can't see the club being particularly keen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I do not rate him at RB, hes not good enough, as a CB however I see massive potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Not for me. I don't think it is the kind of example we should be setting our other young players, in that they can up and leave and if thinks don't work out, then little old Saints will be their fall back option. Let him rot in Arsenals reserves and like Shaw he will be a glaring example to our other academy graduates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Not for me. I don't think it is the kind of example we should be setting our other young players, in that they can up and leave and if thinks don't work out, then little old Saints will be their fall back option. Let him rot in Arsenals reserves and like Shaw he will be a glaring example to our other academy graduates. Although I agree. I very much doubt that it will stop any of them of those clubs come calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 If this rumour demonstrates the signings ambition for the remainder of the transfer window then I'm somewhat concerned. That said, its probably grade 1 bullcr@p. Isn't that what most Saints fan said when we signed Bertrand on loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Considering the melt down his departure caused last summer I thought people rated him but reading this thread apparently not. He is a decent player, proven at PL level and knows the club so wouldn't need much adjustment time. Personally think it would be a pretty good risk free loan but I doubt it will happen to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Yeah he's a decent player, but i wouldnt want him back on principle. He had medium success with us and couldn't wait to jump ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Yeah he's a decent player, but i wouldnt want him back on principle. He had medium success with us and couldn't wait to jump ship. I find myself unbothered about last summer tbh. We have a tough season ahead and we need decent players to fill in for a lot of games while sticking to a budget so getting in a player we know, who can do a job, on loan seems like a good idea to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Must be getting desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Must be getting desperate. Who? He was pretty good for us. Would rather have him for a season supplementing the squad than martina. Won't happen anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Who? Would rather have him for a season supplementing the squad than martina. Martina already written off then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Martina already written off then? Not written off, just think chambers would be better for us. As said, won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I think this story is bull crap as well unless it's wingers attempt to do a late deal for Spider-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I thought it was a sensible idea. It would have been good for all parties, but obviously Chambers dosn't fancy coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Not sure how he can be offered guaranteed game-time, with Soares, Fonte, a Toby replacement and Bertrand around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 He'll be at Sunderland or WBA this time next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Not sure how he can be offered guaranteed game-time, with Soares, Fonte, a Toby replacement and Bertrand around. If he is the 'Toby replacement' then no reason why he couldn't get plenty of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Complete tosh - Sun or Mirror garbage - he will not be playing this season - not our problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 It might just be a political enquiry, some thing my Latin teacher would have called 'a question expecting the answer no'. He may just be making a point to other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 If he is the 'Toby replacement' then no reason why he couldn't get plenty of games. True, though it would be short-termist. I want a finished product, not a work in progres at CB and ultimately am not a fan of loans, at least for starting positions, if there's no prospect of signing the player permanently. Only if there were few alternatives in the market would that kind of move make sense IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 True, though it would be short-termist. I want a finished product, not a work in progres at CB and ultimately am not a fan of loans, at least for starting positions, if there's no prospect of signing the player permanently. Only if there were few alternatives in the market would that kind of move make sense IMO. I don't see anything wrong in bringing a player in who might develop (or 'work in progress' as you describe it), providing the development is for our benefit. So, I'd be happy with Van Beek or Byram as players to develop if signed permanently, as Clyne was three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Bring the Ox back on loan. He needs regular game time and a break from Arsenal training regime in order to stay fit. He can play in multiple positions but I see him at his best in CM. Would be just what we need. Wouldn't mind making him the makeweight in selling Morgan to them. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I don't see anything wrong in bringing a player in who might develop (or 'work in progress' as you describe it), providing the development is for our benefit. So, I'd be happy with Van Beek or Byram as players to develop if signed permanently, as Clyne was three years ago. I'd go along with that; but as you say, it has to be to our long-term benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 (edited) Its a nonsense story, they claim its to replace Clyne at right back and would give Chambers regular football. Yet we've already signed two right backs this summer and Cedric Soares will clearly be first choice. Edited 12 July, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Isn't that what most Saints fan said when we signed Bertrand on loan! Slight difference. We won't be able to sign him at the end of the loan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Hmmn we could be offering him a chance as a centre-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Can't see it being true but if it is Chambers is even more silly than I thought he was when he went. Stunting his football career big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Bring the Ox back on loan. He needs regular game time and a break from Arsenal training regime in order to stay fit. He can play in multiple positions but I see him at his best in CM. Would be just what we need. Wouldn't mind making him the makeweight in selling Morgan to them. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Would love that, be good for his football development as well. Won't get much at Arsenal unless they have 2 or 3 long term injuries in their mid-field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Although this could well be a load of rubbish, if there is any truth in it has anyone thought it could be as a centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I'd by him back for £3.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Hmmn we could be offering him a chance as a centre-back. Although this could well be a load of rubbish, if there is any truth in it has anyone thought it could be as a centre back. I can't see us going from bidding big for Alderweireld to the backup option being a loan offer for Chambers. The money we were going to use for Alderweireld will probably be used on another high quality centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Don't want him back. He made his choice to go and sit on the bench at Arsenal, if he doesn't like it he can p*ss off to someone like Norwich or Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I'd happily take him back if it was in a Loan with a guaranteed right to buy at the end of the year. However i've no interest in Saints rounding off the rough edges of an Arsenal youngster if its not a case of us doing so with a view to him being our player again at the end of the loan period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Not written off, just think chambers would be better for us. As said, won't happen So he's written off as worse than Chambers then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 So he's written off as worse than Chambers then? yes. for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 yes. for me But you've never, ever, ever seen him play - so how can you come to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 So he's written off as worse than Chambers then? Do you seriously have to ask that question? A workman defender from the Dutch league costing 1.5m or a young versatile Defender who last cost over 15m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Ok I get that we are all going to say ,'Good, wouldn't want him back'..but the fact that he doesn't want to come back kind of concerns me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 How desperate are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 But you've never, ever, ever seen him play - so how can you come to that conclusion? what do you think. you think a journeyman defender who we have signed for £1.5m. After it appeared bertrand was with an injury is better? I honestly do not, otherwise we would have had him over soares and not be bothering to tempt chambers back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Ok I get that we are all going to say ,'Good, wouldn't want him back'..but the fact that he doesn't want to come back kind of concerns me. The reality of these things, is that it is very rare, to ever be the players decision. ...Especially in the case of Arsenal. They like to own the player and dictate his development. Im not saying we didn't enquire, but expect there is more to the story than Chambers turning us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Neither Martina nor Yoshida should be near the team as right back (based on Martina's single awful left back outing, which I readily accept he may significantly improve on, hopefully and Yoshida's general poorness there the few times he's tried it). Didn't we decide to use Hooiveld at CB and Fonte right back one time in 2013/14 rather than move Yoshida to FB? Hopeful we've got an excellent CB lined up, the Bertrand thing is unfortunate, Alderweireld I'm not quite over yet, no much how they lay it at his door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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