Have many of you not learnt from last year?

[washsaint]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

[Raging Bull]

It'll take a long time for many (vocal) fans to understand there will always be a pecking order in this league.

 

Toby is a great example of this. He'd have been a fool to not choose Spurs.

[Saint Benali]

To be fair the whole Toby thing was a total **** up on our part. I believe the board dropped the ball and rightly deserve criticism.

 

They said last year the plan was to hold on to our best players which obviously hasn't turned out that way. I would like to know what our actual strategy is. Selling 3 main players or more each season is not a good business strategy. You can only get away with it so many times.

 

Next season is going to be very tough and we need to add to our squad with proven quality. Hopefully we can do that in the next few weeks.

[Toussaint]

To be fair the whole Toby thing was a total **** up on our part. I believe the board dropped the ball and rightly deserve criticism.

 

They said last year the plan was to hold on to our best players which obviously hasn't turned out that way. I would like to know what our actual strategy is. Selling 3 main players or more each season is not a good business strategy. You can only get away with it so many times.

 

Next season is going to be very tough and we need to add to our squad with proven quality. Hopefully we can do that in the next few weeks.

 

To be fair, Toby wasn't ever ours, Morgan stayed for another year and has kept his side of the bargain, Clyne was always going (and was very average for the second half of the season) , and has been replaced with an international, we have Gardos coming through, and I'm sure we will find another CB if needed.

[Wrensup]

Ur

To be fair the whole Toby thing was a total **** up on our part. I believe the board dropped the ball and rightly deserve criticism.

 

They said last year the plan was to hold on to our best players which obviously hasn't turned out that way. I would like to know what our actual strategy is. Selling 3 main players or more each season is not a good business strategy. You can only get away with it so many times.

 

Next season is going to be very tough and we need to add to our squad with proven quality. Hopefully we can do that in the next few weeks.

 

 

 

Next year it will probably be Wanyama, Mane and maybe another. I can't see us being able to improve consistently or at least maintain the status quo, when we sell every season!

Edited 10 July, 2015 by Wrensup

[LeBizzier69]

While I understand there's a pecking order in the league, it doesn't make these things happening any easier to swallow, especially given our performances for 75% of last season. We all felt genuine progress was made, and I suppose hoped that the club's upward curve would continue. That's not to say it won't still of course, but I worry about the situation because I care about the club.

[Deano6]

I don't feel the Board are f**king up (maybe the Toby thing as an isolated incident, who knows, but not in general). However I do feel we are getting a bit shafted, due to the natural "pecking order", as it's been coined above. We got a bit too good, flew a bit too high, and now things are reverting back to norms - players too good for us are leaving for bigger and better and places, meaning we are dropping back to 'our level'. Also I think a few of the "big boys" were a bit sh!t last year (they know who they are) and they are now doing the strengthening they need to do to get better...which they are doing in part with our players.

 

So I accept it's a natural course of events, but it's still a bit hard to swallow especially as we've had 6 years of unbroken incremental success. I fully expect us to do worse in the League next year - but at least we get to have fun in the Europa League to soften the blow*.

 

 

*As a parenthetical thought: I am pretty sure we will do worse in the League next year whether or not we get into Europa (which is why I'm pleased that we have it to enjoy), due to losing Champions League quality players and replacing them with Europa League standard. However I am also sure that there will be a lot of people on this board midway through the season complaining that the Europa League was the reason for the drop and we could be challenging with the big boys if only we'd avoided it. I'll be interested to revisit my prediction in 6 months and see if I'm right.

[SaintRichmond]

Ur

 

 

 

Next year it will probably be Wanyama, Mane and maybe enough. I can't see us being able to improve consistently or at least maintain the status quo, when we sell every season!

 

 

The only way to get bigger is to GET BIGGER, and Miss Leibherr has no intention of investing that sort of money

 

Markus was going too though

[Wes Tender]

The only way to get bigger is to GET BIGGER, and Miss Leibherr has no intention of investing that sort of money

 

Markus was going too though

 

As you were one of the most clueless premature ejaculators last summer, your credence on the subject is sub-zero. Just as you have not a clue as to what Markus would have spent on us in comparison to his daughter.

[Goatboy]

The only way to get bigger is to GET BIGGER, and Miss Leibherr has no intention of investing that sort of money

 

Markus was going too though

 

Where have you been all season SR? I've missed the dribble of runny sh*te from your keyboard.

[Saint Benali]

To be fair, Toby wasn't ever ours, Morgan stayed for another year and has kept his side of the bargain, Clyne was always going (and was very average for the second half of the season) , and has been replaced with an international, we have Gardos coming through, and I'm sure we will find another CB if needed.

 

He wasn't ours true. But we had an agreement to buy him. We waited until the deadline expired for whatever reasons. We ****ed up.

[Micky]

I don't feel the Board are f**king up (maybe the Toby thing as an isolated incident, who knows, but not in general). However I do feel we are getting a bit shafted, due to the natural "pecking order", as it's been coined above. We got a bit too good, flew a bit too high, and now things are reverting back to norms - players too good for us are leaving for bigger and better and places, meaning we are dropping back to 'our level'. Also I think a few of the "big boys" were a bit sh!t last year (they know who they are) and they are now doing the strengthening they need to do to get better...which they are doing in part with our players.

 

So I accept it's a natural course of events, but it's still a bit hard to swallow especially as we've had 6 years of unbroken incremental success. I fully expect us to do worse in the League next year - but at least we get to have fun in the Europa League to soften the blow*.

 

 

*As a parenthetical thought: I am pretty sure we will do worse in the League next year whether or not we get into Europa (which is why I'm pleased that we have it to enjoy), due to losing Champions League quality players and replacing them with Europa League standard. However I am also sure that there will be a lot of people on this board midway through the season complaining that the Europa League was the reason for the drop and we could be challenging with the big boys if only we'd avoided it. I'll be interested to revisit my prediction in 6 months and see if I'm right.

 

This. Apart from the parenthetical thought, because I don't know what parenthetical means.

 

We are a mid table club, we flew higher last year and gave a few a fright. Wholly expect us to finish lower in the league this season, but don't think at all that the Board or Management should be lambasted for that.

[VectisSaint]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

Sadly the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork and blather on about how everything is perfect, and the Board are perfect and know exactly what they are doing and that we need to know our place. This type of drivel is just as bad as the other.

[Hamilton Saint]

This. Apart from the parenthetical thought, because I don't know what parenthetical means.

We are a mid table club, we flew higher last year and gave a few a fright. Wholly expect us to finish lower in the league this season, but don't think at all that the Board or Management should be lambasted for that.

 

Parenthetical means the same as "in parentheses" - i.e., in curved brackets. Just another way of introducing another thought, an extra idea, an interesting aside.

 

Here's an example:

 

He went down to the pub (after an early evening meal). The phrase in the curved brackets is parenthetical.

Edited 10 July, 2015 by Hamilton Saint

[ART]

Well, the New Moon isn't till July 15th, and players signed or signing from after the last full moon on July 1st will have risk factors. From July 15th till July 31st players signed will be more interesting. Perhaps Man United are waiting for the New Moon to sign Schneiderlin. and others. Hope we have learned from the past.

[doddisalegend]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

 

Word

[sadoldgit]

To be fair the whole Toby thing was a total **** up on our part. I believe the board dropped the ball and rightly deserve criticism.

 

They said last year the plan was to hold on to our best players which obviously hasn't turned out that way. I would like to know what our actual strategy is. Selling 3 main players or more each season is not a good business strategy. You can only get away with it so many times.

 

Next season is going to be very tough and we need to add to our squad with proven quality. Hopefully we can do that in the next few weeks.

 

Les Reed says he did all he could to get Toby in. AM accepted our offer but the player chose his "dream move" to Spuds. How is that Reed's fault? I despair. We are supposed to be supporting the club not picking holes in something that we had no control over. As the OP says, was nothing leant last summer?

[sadoldgit]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

 

Alps, print this out,stick it on your fridge. Read it every day before you log on here.

[Hamilton Saint]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

 

Bravo!

[manji]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

Spot on.

[Katalinic]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

 

Best post on here for ages.

[Jonnyboy]

It'll take a long time for many (vocal) fans to understand there will always be a pecking order in this league.

 

Toby is a great example of this. He'd have been a fool to not choose Spurs.

 

And that's a crying shame.

 

If we still had the Liverpool 4, Toby and Chambers we'd have a real top 4 squad.

[saints1988]

And that's a crying shame.

 

If we still had the Liverpool 4, Toby and Chambers we'd have a real top 4 squad.

 

 

This makes no sense.

 

If Lovren did not depart for liverpool we would not have needed Toby

[CB Fry]

And that's a crying shame.

 

If we still had the Liverpool 4, Toby and Chambers we'd have a real top 4 squad.

And Keegan and Shearer up front.

[Raging Bull]

And that's a crying shame.

 

If we still had the Liverpool 4, Toby and Chambers we'd have a real top 4 squad.

 

Only if we'd have signed Pelle, Tadic and Mane as well. Not sure we would have though.

[hasper57saint]

If we had gained Six more points we'd have been fifth with both Spuds and Scousers behind us right?

[Dalek2003]

Time for predicting our finish to the new season, has the thread started yet ?

[Jonnyboy]

And Keegan and Shearer up front.

 

Oh ha bloody ha!

 

(you forgot Le Tiss & Cockerill)

[doddisalegend]

And Keegan and Shearer up front.

 

Le Tiss in behind and Shilton as back up goalie

[Jonnyboy]

Time for predicting our finish to the new season, has the thread started yet ?

 

8-10th.

[SarniaSaint]

Parenthetical means the same as "in parentheses" - i.e., in curved brackets. Just another way of introducing another thought, an extra idea, an interesting aside.

 

Here's an example:

 

He went down to the pub (after an early evening meal). The phrase in the curved brackets is parenthetical.

 

Thank you ...............

[SarniaSaint]

Les Reed says he did all he could to get Toby in. AM accepted our offer but the player chose his "dream move" to Spuds. How is that Reed's fault? I despair. We are supposed to be supporting the club not picking holes in something that we had no control over. As the OP says, was nothing leant last summer?

 

Agree 100%

[Hamilton Saint]

Thank you ...............

 

You don't need fifteen periods (full stops) at the end of every sentence. One will do.

 

:rolleyes:

[SarniaSaint]

You don't need fifteen periods (full stops) at the end of every sentence. One will do.

 

:rolleyes:

 

15 periods is a year and 3 months for some on here >>>>is a full stop different to a rolling stop ??? ok just for you>>> .

[Fan The Flames]

Time for predicting our finish to the new season, has the thread started yet ?

 

Why are you desperate to predict 17th again, so you have another season of internet infamy.

[CB Fry]

Why are you desperate to predict 17th again, so you have another season of internet infamy.

Because it's genuinely what he thinks. It's not a comedy troll act. It's really what he thinks. Honest it is.

[Wade Garrett]

If the players that have left prove to be as effective as the 3 that left last Summer, hopefully the penny will drop with other clubs that they won't improve by signing our players.

 

I reckon this could be the case with Clyne. Was only a regular this season because the young lad in his place went to Arsenal (and his career is stalling). Clyne can be a bit suspect defensively, and will be under the microscope at Liverpool. He must be hoping that 1 to 1 sessions with Newport IOW's finest can improve him.

[simo]

I see it's time for a thread moaning about other people moaning again

[S-Clarke]

I see it's time for a thread moaning about other people moaning again

 

I dunno, I'm personally looking forward to the thread moaning about others moaning about people moaning again.

 

[Whitey Grandad]

I dunno, I'm personally looking forward to the thread moaning about others moaning about people moaning again.

 

 

I'm moaning that there isn't such a thread.

 

As for the OP, I shall reserve my judgment until the season starts but I shall be somewhat disappointed if there are no further additions to the squad.

[Wurzel]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

 

Great post.

 

Rojo - forgot we were (allegedly) in for him. Pretty forgettable as a player as it turned out.

 

I've been watching Saints since the 60s. In that time plenty have asked to move on to "better things". Very few have actually bettered themselves footballwise by doing so. Unfortunately plenty have financially.

Meanwhile Saints have carried on, rarely seeming worse off (on the pitch) the next season despite the loss of one or more "stars".

We seem to be one of those clubs that, under most (but not all) managers, have a knack of creating a team that is better than the sum of it's parts. Which is why many don't seem quite the same when they leave (biggest case in point, Steve Williams? ) whilst little old Southampton continue to confound the critics. The nice thing is we used to confound them by staying up, now we confound them by knocking on the top door.

 

Players come, players go, but the club should add a motto to the badge "To Be Continued"

[angelman]

But we also lost out on Buttner

 

?

[TheCholulaKid]

Yet again, the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork and cry like little babies.

 

Board doesn't know what it is doing, everyone is laughing at us, why didn't we offer Clyne and Toby more money, blah blah blah.

 

Why don't you all wait and see how this pans out before throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Would have thought you might have kept your powder dry after being made to look idiotic last summer but obviously not.

 

I cannot believe some of you think Toby would have come here if we'd thrown more money at him: he obviously played us like a fiddle. Ditto with Clyne.

 

Thank god this board is not representative of Saints fans in general.

 

Pure spite and drivel from too many who are just coming across as petulant, spoilt brats.

 

Do you really not think the club knows what it is doing and will have plans B and C lined up?

 

Losing out on Rojo didn't hurt us last year.

 

Can we put this post on the banner or make it a sticky or something? Anything that will make the usual cretins think before they post.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I see it's time for a thread moaning about other people moaning again

 

Are`nt you going to boycott this thread then?

[JonnyOldBoy]

Totally agree with OP.... Clyne and Toby have been ****es..... and they are gone.... but Saints are building much more and its a process , if we have to take one step back this season and finish 10th ( my prediction ) then the following season we may have a more stable squad of players who want to be here... its a shame that players are not all honourable but it takes all sorts. One this is for certain. RK is a better manager than either Brenda or Pinnochio and I think the future's so bright.... we gotta wear shades...

[Dalek2003]

Why are you desperate to predict 17th again, so you have another season of internet infamy.

 

17th is not on the Dalekscan this year.

[Spaceman Spiff]

17th is not on the Dalekscan this year.

 

You seriously think we'll get relegated then?

[Dalek2003]

You seriously think we'll get relegated then?

 

I will tell you what I think when the 'predictor' thread is started.

[Toadhall Saint]

17th is not on the Dalekscan this year.

 

Bugger that's us relegated then [emoji3]

[Unbelievable Jeff]

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