CB Fry Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 Haven't got time to read the whole thread but the one snippet that caught my attention was when Les said "Athletico returned our Deposit" rather than buying us out of our option which is what I thought the general consensus was??? Being the case, we didn't make a dime on the deal, even more gut wrenching :-( Sounded like a turn of phrase. But even if true, I'm not sure any clubs "make a dime" out of loaning another club's player. I think the general point of it was to have the player in the team for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 Well maybe the loan fee we paid AM was the "deposit", so we got his services "free" for the year (excluding wages). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 Jay signed. He didn't have to We probably shouldn't have bothered offering him a new one. And made it public too We would have spoken to his agent regularly and found out that he was willing to sign a new contract, so offered one. We will now be speaking to vic's agent regularly and in the unlikely event that he is willing to sign, we will offer one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 We would have spoken to his agent regularly and found out that he was willing to sign a new contract, so offered one. We will now be speaking to vic's agent regularly and in the unlikely event that he is willing to sign, we will offer one Why would he sign. Bang in 10 Goals this season and Spurs upwards would have been lining up to sign him. Why even bother though. His options were well and truly open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 It has always been so. Whenever a player from a so-called smaller club links up with his national squad, he's exposed to a variety of head-turning conversations with "big club" players. I'm sure this happened with Lallana and Clyne, and I'm sure it happened with Toby and with Schneiderlin. A fact of life for clubs like us is that the very thing that makes us successful also makes us vulnerable. And there's not a damn thing that Reed and Koeman can do about it, other than try their best to keep them and - if that fails - replace them well. And they have done that very well, although you'd never know it from some of the childish whining on here. That's pretty well how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 Why would he sign. Bang in 10 Goals this season and Spurs upwards would have been lining up to sign him. Why even bother though. His options were well and truly open To pay back a club who had stood by him, perhaps? Or are all footballers money-grabbers who don't give a monkeys about anything else, to you...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyOldBoy Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 seems open and shut to me... Toby is an ungrateful can't...... hope he is totally sh1t at spurs.... LOL..... move on Ladies and Gentlemen... nothing to see here... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 To pay back a club who had stood by him, perhaps? Or are all footballers money-grabbers who don't give a monkeys about anything else, to you...? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 I liked Reed's description of us as a showcase club, pretty much saying we're a shop window for promising players to go on to bigger things. It's the exact strategy we should be taking as a club, as long as we keep buying low and selling high we'll pull away from the mid table clubs and start chasing down the top 6. We've now assembled a squad of multimillion pound players essentially paid for by the top 6. This is my worry when we sign players like Pelle and Long who are only likely to devalue, Soares and Juanmi are exactly the type of players we should be looking to sign. If we can get just one player to become top class and go for a huge fee (£60mill+) we'll be set up for a long time as a top 8 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 I liked Reed's description of us as a showcase club, pretty much saying we're a shop window for promising players to go on to bigger things. It's the exact strategy we should be taking as a club, as long as we keep buying low and selling high we'll pull away from the mid table clubs and start chasing down the top 6. We've now assembled a squad of multimillion pound players essentially paid for by the top 6. This is my worry when we sign players like Pelle and Long who are only likely to devalue, Soares and Juanmi are exactly the type of players we should be looking to sign. If we can get just one player to become top class and go for a huge fee (£60mill+) we'll be set up for a long time as a top 8 team. Yep, we are a shop window club but it's gonna take a long time for the penny to drop with some of our fans. Thats our selling point to the best talent in Europe that aren't quite ready for CL clubs. They get to prove themselves in the Prem, great for us as we have motivated hungry players. We just have to learn not to cry when they go on. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 I enjoyed the Les reed interview. He came across s a very genuine fella who clearly gives a ****. I agree with Pastor above, for the next few years we will be an attractive club for anyone wanting to move to a top 4 club but not go through their woeful youth systems. The challenge for us will be to continue to advance up the table and improve the squad year on year until we can eventually break the glass ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 Good interview. We are a vehicle to top 4 clubs and there is nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 10 July, 2015 Share Posted 10 July, 2015 I liked Reed's description of us as a showcase club, pretty much saying we're a shop window for promising players to go on to bigger things. It's the exact strategy we should be taking as a club, as long as we keep buying low and selling high we'll pull away from the mid table clubs and start chasing down the top 6. We've now assembled a squad of multimillion pound players essentially paid for by the top 6. This is my worry when we sign players like Pelle and Long who are only likely to devalue, Soares and Juanmi are exactly the type of players we should be looking to sign. If we can get just one player to become top class and go for a huge fee (£60mill+) we'll be set up for a long time as a top 8 team. From my current perspective of age 57, the difference in maturity between a 20 year old and a 29 year old seems minimal, I know that it isn't. We can not expect a team full of youngsters to succeed without some older and wiser players on the squad. I would think having Pelle around would help out Gallagher, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Gallagher is never going to be a good PL striker IMO. Harsh, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 From my current perspective of age 57, the difference in maturity between a 20 year old and a 29 year old seems minimal, I know that it isn't. We can not expect a team full of youngsters to succeed without some older and wiser players on the squad. I would think having Pelle around would help out Gallagher, for example. I've no problem with that but a club of our size shouldn't be paying £10+mill on anyone over 26 unless they're exceptional, it's a waste of money. For the older players we should be aiming for past their best hallmark players, or players for a couple of mill like Steven Davis or Lambert. Vlaar would fall into that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 seems open and shut to me... Toby is an ungrateful can't...... hope he is totally sh1t at spurs.... LOL..... move on Ladies and Gentlemen... nothing to see here... ;-) Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSFC Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Yep, we are a shop window club but it's gonna take a long time for the penny to drop with some of our fans. Thats our selling point to the best talent in Europe that aren't quite ready for CL clubs. They get to prove themselves in the Prem, great for us as we have motivated hungry players. We just have to learn not to cry when they go on. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk I agree that people need to understand that players are going to leave. But I hope people still give the players abuse as they are still money grabbing ***ts and we shouldn't just roll over and be happy that our better players are leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Let's get our next CB on a permanent transfer this time so that we actually make money off him next summer and avoid this mess. i.e. more dejan less toby By the way, poor Fonte who has to get used to a third different CB partner in 3 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 (edited) I just published a transcript of this interview on my blog. http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/ http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/ Edited 11 July, 2015 by Redslo fixed broken word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Why would he sign. Bang in 10 Goals this season and Spurs upwards would have been lining up to sign him. Why even bother though. His options were well and truly open Always good when Delldays paints himself into a "everyone's a hypocrite" corner. One player signing a contract extension doesn't mean all will. A player gifted a fat pay rise after not kicking a ball for a season doesn't sound particularly outrageous. Crazy how situations are different for different people, ain't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Gallagher is never going to be a good PL striker IMO. Harsh, but true. A lot of Spurs fans said the same thing about Harry Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 I just published a transcript of this interview on my blog. http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/ http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/ Thanks! Enjoyed reading that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Always good when Delldays paints himself into a "everyone's a hypocrite" corner. One player signing a contract extension doesn't mean all will. A player gifted a fat pay rise after not kicking a ball for a season doesn't sound particularly outrageous. Crazy how situations are different for different people, ain't it? But. We still offer d him a new deal without doing so to half the squad. He still signed it and did not keep his options open. Kind of goes against what you said a little. But then, typically me for bringing that point up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 But. We still offer d him a new deal without doing so to half the squad. He still signed it and did not keep his options open. Kind of goes against what you said a little. But then, typically me for bringing that point up Not really. The wrist slitting about Toby and Clyne leads to forum genius solutions based on a misguided belief that if only the club did X then so and so would never leave. I'm just pointing out that the current knee jerk solution is not without risk. If you and Shurlock want the club to carry on dealing with it as they currently are then you don't have much of a point, do you? We're on the right lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 So under Big Kat, Wreck it Ralph and Lier Lez, we've been reduced to nothing more than a feeder club for the top half of the prem (Liverpool, Swansea and Spurs are not top 4)....Glad everyone's comfy with that. Sheez, how thing's have changed since Cortese's drive and ambition left the Club, no wonder we can't keep any of our decent players......Going to take some getting used to, seeing the Cherries as top dogs on the south coast....Their Chairman's got what it takes for sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Add the Grey man to list too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 So under Big Kat, Wreck it Ralph and Lier Lez, we've been reduced to nothing more than a feeder club for the top half of the prem (Liverpool, Swansea and Spurs are not top 4)....Glad everyone's comfy with that. Sheez, how thing's have changed since Cortese's drive and ambition left the Club, no wonder we can't keep any of our decent players......Going to take some getting used to, seeing the Cherries as top dogs on the south coast....Their Chairman's got what it takes for sure.. 2/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO5 4BW Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 By the way, poor Fonte who has to get used to a third different CB partner in 3 seasons More like a sixth in six! Jaidi, Hooiveld, Yoshida, Lovren, Alderweireld, ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 So under Big Kat, Wreck it Ralph and Lier Lez, we've been reduced to nothing more than a feeder club for the top half of the prem (Liverpool, Swansea and Spurs are not top 4)....Glad everyone's comfy with that. Sheez, how thing's have changed since Cortese's drive and ambition left the Club, no wonder we can't keep any of our decent players......Going to take some getting used to, seeing the Cherries as top dogs on the south coast....Their Chairman's got what it takes for sure.. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 More like a sixth in six! Jaidi, Hooiveld, Yoshida, Lovren, Alderweireld, ????? Jose must be freakin' superhuman after carrying that lot. Spurs are about to find out (as did Liverpool) that they signed the wrong guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 So under Big Kat, Wreck it Ralph and Lier Lez, we've been reduced to nothing more than a feeder club for the top half of the prem (Liverpool, Swansea and Spurs are not top 4)....Glad everyone's comfy with that. Sheez, how thing's have changed since Cortese's drive and ambition left the Club, no wonder we can't keep any of our decent players......Going to take some getting used to, seeing the Cherries as top dogs on the south coast....Their Chairman's got what it takes for sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 So under Big Kat, Wreck it Ralph and Lier Lez, we've been reduced to nothing more than a feeder club for the top half of the prem (Liverpool, Swansea and Spurs are not top 4)....Glad everyone's comfy with that. Sheez, how thing's have changed since Cortese's drive and ambition left the Club, no wonder we can't keep any of our decent players......Going to take some getting used to, seeing the Cherries as top dogs on the south coast....Their Chairman's got what it takes for sure.. 2/10. Way too generous a grader, are you. Pathetic. A little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 I just published a transcript of this interview on my blog. http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/ http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/ Thanks for this. Very interesting read and puts to shame all those who want to believe that the club is incompetent. Or will it? I suspect the Usual Suspects will be waiting to pour scorn on the next signing as they did with our recent acquisition of a "pub player." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich102 Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 So under Big Kat, Wreck it Ralph and Lier Lez, we've been reduced to nothing more than a feeder club for the top half of the prem (Liverpool, Swansea and Spurs are not top 4)....Glad everyone's comfy with that. Sheez, how thing's have changed since Cortese's drive and ambition left the Club, no wonder we can't keep any of our decent players......Going to take some getting used to, seeing the Cherries as top dogs on the south coast....Their Chairman's got what it takes for sure.. I realise this is epic trollage, but I for one am content with being a feeder club hovering around 7/8th. Liverpool and Spurs were unusually weak last year and will pull away this season. For us to break into that club would need at least £100mil on top of our transfer budget, and then I'd still put our chances at 10-20%. Given our financial position that would be insane. This is the state of the league were in. I'm happily resolved to this season being another race for 7th, with hope of a cup run, some fun in Europe, and seeing some more young talent break through from the top academy in the country. For a club of our size (let alone our recent history) that's a hell of an achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 I just published a transcript of this interview on my blog. http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/ http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/ Cheers for doing that. Love how you got your secretary to transcribe it, slow day in the Redslo office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Jose must be freakin' superhuman after carrying that lot. Spurs are about to find out that they signed the wrong guy. No they aren't. He'll do his hamstring within twenty minutes of game one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Hardly the same thing we can make a player already signed to the club to stick to his contract we can't force a player at another club to sign a contract....I agree but we patently cant or wont keep a player who wants to leave.I would love the club to make a stand and put a player in the reserves to rot, but no club will do so as money is the factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 I agree but we patently cant or wont keep a player who wants to leave.I would love the club to make a stand and put a player in the reserves to rot, but no club will do so as money is the factor. ermmm Morgan last summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 ermmm Morgan last summer And maybe even again this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 And maybe even again this summer. Speaking of which, I presume Morgan knows the value put on him by SFC and has 'agreed' with it? If so, I also presume he can't/won't throw a spat if no other team comes in for him? Or will he request (or even subsidise) a reduction?? (fire sale alert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 I agree but we patently cant or wont keep a player who wants to leave.I would love the club to make a stand and put a player in the reserves to rot, but no club will do so as money is the factor. We obviously can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Speaking of which, I presume Morgan knows the value put on him by SFC and has 'agreed' with it? If so, I also presume he can't/won't throw a spat if no other team comes in for him? Or will he request (or even subsidise) a reduction?? (fire sale alert) He's fine at the moment I'm sure as he thinks someone will pay the money. Let's see if he is happy when Utd and Arsenal both sign others and his only option is Spurs when they come in at the last minute with another derisory bid that gets rejected. I predict a tantrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 I didn't realise under the FFU our wage budget only increases bit by bit over each season. I thought once you hit the PL it would be at its highest ratio. It seems not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie@home Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 I didn't realise under the FFU our wage budget only increases bit by bit over each season. I thought once you hit the PL it would be at its highest ratio. It seems not. Even if you wanted to do a Man City now you can't ; Financial Fair Play may stop clubs getting in to such financial trouble, but it also preserves the status quo, which is why you have to get your commercial income drastically improved. You can spend more if you make more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Interesting to read that Toby wanted to go to Spuds regardless of the salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Interesting to read that Toby wanted to go to Spuds regardless of the salary. Didn't fancy us at all then, somewhat surprising actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Gallagher is never going to be a good PL striker IMO. Harsh, but true. A lot of Spurs fans said the same thing about Harry Kane Even I said that about Kane! And I'm almost nearly 97.5% of the time never wrong! Gallagher is very young still. Always got to give players till they're 21/22/23 to see if they've got it. A Championship loan move might help him in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Even I said that about Kane! And I'm almost nearly 97.5% of the time never wrong! Gallagher is very young still. Always got to give players till they're 21/22/23 to see if they've got it. A Championship loan move might help him in the future. I've said before you don't score goals like the one in the cup final without having something about you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 (edited) I didn't realise under the FFU our wage budget only increases bit by bit over each season. I thought once you hit the PL it would be at its highest ratio. It seems not. That is not how it works. Les explained it poorly because he wasn't focusing on that issue. For this coming year, (this is a slight simplification) under Premier League rules our player salary cap is 60 million pounds increased by any non-Premier League TV contract money income that exceeds our non-Premier League TV contract money from 2013-2014. This would include increased commercial revenue, match day income, and net profit on player trading. Manchester United, on the other hand, because their payroll was more that 52 million in 2013-2014 is limited in a different way. They cannot spend more than they did that year except their cap is increased by their increase in non-Premier League TV contract money income. Since we know they have greatly increased their commercial revenue in the past couple of years and, I assume, have raised ticket prices. They have a lot of leeway to increase their payroll on top of its already high level. The Premier League payroll limits are not the only factors, of course. Burnley, for example, could have increased its payroll to 56 million last year, but did not for obvious reasons--they didn't have the money and didn't want to bankrupt themselves trying to stay in the Premier League. QPR, on the other hand, had a payroll that was over the basic limit so they were subject to the same rules as Manchester United--except on a much lower and less competent level. Even if you wanted to do a Man City now you can't ; Financial Fair Play may stop clubs getting in to such financial trouble, but it also preserves the status quo, which is why you have to get your commercial income drastically improved. You can spend more if you make more. True. Although as a practical matter, we are not limited by FFP unless Liebherr actually wants to invest at least 13 or 14 million pounds a year. Edited 11 July, 2015 by Redslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbendy Posted 11 July, 2015 Share Posted 11 July, 2015 Thanks for that transcript Redslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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