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Hopefully in the full interview Reed speaks about transfers in too. I'm not interested in Toby anymore.

 

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On making signings Les Reed said #saintsfc won't spend big money for sake of it - they'll look for value & have budget to make squad good

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It has happened the last two years we have been top half of the table

 

I would like to hear les come out and say they have started contract talks with victor now:

 

Not wait till he has a year left or so

 

There's a case for extending players contracts as soon as they show they're cut out for the premiership. The extension doesn't have to be for very long. But a one or two year extension would go a long way to protect the player's transfer value. In Clyne's case, for example, we could have offered him an extension in his first year. With better players, the earlier things are done, the better since the club still has plenty of leverage.

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CB Fry

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I don't think the Club could have done anything to change their minds, but, they could have been straight with us Supporters

 

What the Club DID do however, was to keep all the "bad" News suppressed as much as possible til they had got a fair no of SEASON TICKET RENEWALS

 

So, the Club are consistent in that respect. The "Mushroom" Ploy

 

Clearly, Toby had knew he wanted to go to Spurs for at least TWO months.It therefore was no shock to anyone within the Club.

 

But that was not the spiel that came out from the Club was it. No, just the usual load of Bull sh*te

 

Krueger made it vey clear a short while ago. There will be NO expansion of St Marys, so, with a circa 32500 capacity, we ARE a mid table Prem club who punched above their weight last season

 

Food for thought. What would Miss Leibherr and Mr Krueger have done if we had not dropped stupid points against Krap teams, and finished in the Top Four

 

Not beyond the realms of possibility last season, but last season was weird, and their will not be another very "open" season again for a very long time

Ol' swivel eyes is back.

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There's a case for extending players contracts as soon as they show they're cut out for the premiership. The extension doesn't have to be for very long. But a one or two year extension would go a long way to protect the player's transfer value. In Clyne's case, for example, we could have offered him an extension in his first year. With better players, the earlier things are done, the better since the club still has plenty of leverage.

 

I am sure any agent worth their salt would tell the player to hold off to see what other clubs might be interested. Why tie yourself to a medium sized club when one of the big four might be waiting in the wings?

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I don't think the Club could have done anything to change their minds, but, they could have been straight with us Supporters

 

What the Club DID do however, was to keep all the "bad" News suppressed as much as possible til they had got a fair no of SEASON TICKET RENEWALSSo, the Club are consistent in that respect. The "Mushroom" Ploy

 

Clearly, Toby had knew he wanted to go to Spurs for at least TWO months.It therefore was no shock to anyone within the Club.

 

But that was not the spiel that came out from the Club was it. No, just the usual load of Bull sh*te

 

Krueger made it vey clear a short while ago. There will be NO expansion of St Marys, so, with a circa 32500 capacity, we ARE a mid table Prem club who punched above their weight last season

 

Food for thought. What would Miss Leibherr and Mr Krueger have done if we had not dropped stupid points against Krap teams, and finished in the Top Four

 

Not beyond the realms of possibility last season, but last season was weird, and their will not be another very "open" season again for a very long time

 

LOL :lol: I bought my and the nippers ST months ago knowing that Clyne and Morgan would most likely be gone

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shurlock

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I am sure any agent worth their salt would tell the player to hold off to see what other clubs might be interested. Why tie yourself to a medium sized club when one of the big four might be waiting in the wings?

 

It's much less likely when a player first joins the club and the additional commitment is minimal when a long-term deal is in place. We knew Clyne would do a job for us before any big clubs took serious notice. And nothing stops the player being sold should a reasonable offer come in.

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I don't think the Club could have done anything to change their minds, but, they could have been straight with us Supporters

 

What the Club DID do however, was to keep all the "bad" News suppressed as much as possible til they had got a fair no of SEASON TICKET RENEWALS

 

So, the Club are consistent in that respect. The "Mushroom" Ploy

 

Clearly, Toby had knew he wanted to go to Spurs for at least TWO months.It therefore was no shock to anyone within the Club.

 

But that was not the spiel that came out from the Club was it. No, just the usual load of Bull sh*te

 

Krueger made it vey clear a short while ago. There will be NO expansion of St Marys, so, with a circa 32500 capacity, we ARE a mid table Prem club who punched above their weight last season

 

Food for thought. What would Miss Leibherr and Mr Krueger have done if we had not dropped stupid points against Krap teams, and finished in the Top Four

 

Not beyond the realms of possibility last season, but last season was weird, and their will not be another very "open" season again for a very long time

 

What a load of rubbish, season ticket money is small change compared to TV Rights for example so I hardly think that the club is dependent on it, this isn't the 1970's.

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There's a case for extending players contracts as soon as they show they're cut out for the premiership. The extension doesn't have to be for very long. But a one or two year extension would go a long way to protect the player's transfer value. In Clyne's case, for example, we could have offered him an extension in his first year. With better players, the earlier things are done, the better since the club still has plenty of leverage.

Is "let's extend everyone's contracts at the earliest opportunity" this season's "why don't we get our business done early"?

 

Isn't it easy to come up with simple solutions? Next up, score more goals than the other team.

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There's a case for extending players contracts as soon as they show they're cut out for the premiership. The extension doesn't have to be for very long. But a one or two year extension would go a long way to protect the player's transfer value. In Clyne's case, for example, we could have offered him an extension in his first year. With better players, the earlier things are done, the better since the club still has plenty of leverage.

 

that's effectively what we've done with Martina. a reported option to extend.

 

players who are genuinely a risk we stand a chance with on that basis, but anyone who has reasonably high stock will like only committing for four years as it gives them a good bit of security and still a strong platform to move on after two years.

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Is "let's extend everyone's contracts at the earliest opportunity" this season's "why don't we get our business done early"?

 

Isn't it easy to come up with simple solutions? Next up, score more goals than the other team.

 

Didnt say it was easy or simple. My only point is that there is a strong cultural assumption, rooted in the sanctity of contracts, that you sign a contract and discuss it when it's nearing completion or its value begins to erode. There are exceptions, notably when trying to mitigate downside risk through the use of options, as in Martina's case. But generally contracts aren't seen as something flexible that are intended to be altered very early on, even if new information comes to light.

 

Would a high potential player agree to an extension early on? Perhaps not. But for players who've demonstrated their value to the club (given there is always a risk ex ante) but are not ready to make the step up and/or are not yet on the big clubs radars, the benefits of security to the player are still likely to exceed the costs of being tied down, especially if a short extension comes with an improved wage. But that is unlikely to last with time. After all, one reason why we can call the tune with United over Schneiderlin is that we managed to negotiate a new contract, even though at the time he was only a season and half into a four year contract.

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Good write up here. http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/13407601.Alderweireld_transfer__The_Full_Story/?ref=mac

 

Does sound like Alderweireld strung us along and mugged us off, rather than Atletico.

 

 

What?

 

You mean the Club didn't royally **** it up?

 

You mean Les isn't a dithering ****wit?

 

You mean the CFO didn't get fired for messing up the terms of the contract?

 

Who'd have thought it???

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Good write up here. http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/13407601.Alderweireld_transfer__The_Full_Story/?ref=mac

 

Does sound like Alderweireld strung us along and mugged us off, rather than Atletico.

 

Pretty miserable to accept terms and conditions for a future contract, while knowing that you prefer to be elsewhere. It might be that Spurs interest only crystalised at the end, though that's inconsistent with reports that the two sides had been in contact for a while. Perhaps he had a genuine last minute change of mind but that doesn't smell right.

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Odd to accept terms and conditions for a future contract, while knowing that you prefer to be elsewhere. It might be that Spurs interest only crystalised at the end, though that's inconsistent with reports that the two sides had been in contact for a while. Perhaps he had a genuine last minute change of mind but that doesn't smell right.

 

Why not string us along til he was 100% sure the Spurs deal was right. Levy has a reputation for driving a hard bargain, so Alderweireld's camp may have been using us to get the Spurs offer up to a certain level.

 

We'll never know 100%, who knows if Reed is being economical with the truth, but it seems a fairly open interview from him.

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So while we were dithering about with Atletico around the clause we allowed Spurs to come in with a bid (a very public one) and by the time we got our act together he already had his head turned and was signing with them.

 

Sorry, but the club are not absolved of blame here. Still feel like this could have been sorted much sooner before Spurs were on the scene.

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Baird of the land

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Sounds like a lot of Spin. The whole trying to delay playing games with clauses before eventually ignoring them and bidding sounds bad.

Toby ended up choosing them after we finally sorted ourselves out.

Hope the black isn't a bunch more hype and there really is a list of alternatives to pursue.

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What?

 

You mean the Club didn't royally **** it up?

 

You mean Les isn't a dithering ****wit?

 

You mean the CFO didn't get fired for messing up the terms of the contract?

 

Who'd have thought it???

 

Maybe this is a bit of spin from the club also.

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Well there we go. The club didn't **** it up after all and when you've got the player saying "yes I want to return" whats Les supposed to do? Hopefully we can move on now and make a marquee signing at CB (for the third year running) to help put the disappointment of losing out on Toby behind us.

 

Must say though, although it's his prerogative to change his mind, i'm annoyed he left it so late and continued to say he wanted to come to us until the 12th hour.

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So while we were dithering about with Atletico around the clause we allowed Spurs to come in with a bid (a very public one) and by the time we got our act together he already had his head turned and was signing with them.

 

Sorry, but the club are not absolved of blame here. Still feel like this could have been sorted much sooner before Spurs were on the scene.

Ffs.

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Lallana's Left Peg

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Ffs.

 

Is that not what happened? Despite willing to pay more than the clause, we spent a long time talking to Atletico about it and the player left elsewhere. Why not make the proper bid for the player the moment we learnt of Spurs coming in? It was well documented they liked him, as early as May I believe. We dithered, there is nothing in the Les Reed interview that suggests otherwise.

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So while we were dithering about with Atletico around the clause we allowed Spurs to come in with a bid (a very public one) and by the time we got our act together he already had his head turned and was signing with them.

 

Sorry, but the club are not absolved of blame here. Still feel like this could have been sorted much sooner before Spurs were on the scene.

 

Spurs would have been on the scene for a long time. It's not like Levy woke up on July 1st and decided he was going to buy TA. They will have been in contact for weeks and weeks, probably months. TA played us, it really is that simple

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Spurs would have been on the scene for a long time. It's not like Levy woke up on July 1st and decided he was going to buy TA. They will have been in contact for weeks and weeks, probably months. TA played us, it really is that simple

 

this is pretty much how I feel about it all. He probably used us to get a bigger contract at Spurs.

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Spurs would have been on the scene for a long time. It's not like Levy woke up on July 1st and decided he was going to buy TA. They will have been in contact for weeks and weeks, probably months. TA played us, it really is that simple

 

But why muck about with legalities and let them agree a deal first?

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But why muck about with legalities and let them agree a deal first?

 

"Let them agree"? Toby was not going to sign for us. He wanted to join Spurs, us agreeing a fee with AM would have changed nothing because Toby would have just waited for Spurs to agree their deal. We never had a chance, despite Toby leading Koeman and Reed on

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So while we were dithering about with Atletico around the clause we allowed Spurs to come in with a bid (a very public one) and by the time we got our act together he already had his head turned and was signing with them.

 

Sorry, but the club are not absolved of blame here. Still feel like this could have been sorted much sooner before Spurs were on the scene.

 

You can't dig yourself out of this one son, you and the rest of the internet idiots have been shown up. Bunch of mugs.

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Didnt say it was easy or simple. My only point is that there is a strong cultural assumption, rooted in the sanctity of contracts, that you sign a contract and discuss it when it's nearing completion or its value begins to erode. There are exceptions, notably when trying to mitigate downside risk through the use of options, as in Martina's case. But generally contracts aren't seen as something flexible that are intended to be altered very early on, even if new information comes to light.

 

Would a high potential player agree to an extension early on? Perhaps not. But for players who've demonstrated their value to the club (given there is always a risk ex ante) but are not ready to make the step up and/or are not yet on the big clubs radars, the benefits of security to the player are still likely to exceed the costs of being tied down, especially if a short extension comes with an improved wage. But that is unlikely to last with time. After all, one reason why we can call the tune with United over Schneiderlin is that we managed to negotiate a new contract, even though at the time he was only a season and half into a four year contract.

 

Being that we've done it before, that may suggest we've tried it before and we may have tried it with Clyne. But create a culture where you are so driven by fear that you are extending contracts year after year is going to create even more of a player power situation.

 

So this time last year Clyne gets a pay rise, what about, say, Victor? And if he did, then why not Victor again this season, another pay rise, just to keep the wolves from the door. So would Mane, Pelle and Tadic deserve a pay rise then if Victor's getting one? Bertrand only signed his six months ago but if Victor, Mane and Tadic getting one does he deserve another pay rise? What's the gamble we take on JWP right now? Five years on £80k to stop him being poached? Or we leave him out of the pay rise club for now, and decide we don't want to demonstrate how much we want to keep him, but do some others?

 

Fonte as club captain is seeing annual pay rises being doled out, so where's his?

 

Starting a culture where we are renewing contracts with two, three years left on them is probably not what Les and co have in mind.

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What I would definitely say is our PR hasn't been great on this. Wrong messages on signing Clyne and Alderweireld, then someone of Reed's position going on about how depressed and deflated he now feels, no director should be coming out with that in a public interview, maybe we've been a bit too honest throughout.

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Baird of the land

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"Let them agree"? Toby was not going to sign for us. He wanted to join Spurs, us agreeing a fee with AM would have changed nothing because Toby would have just waited for Spurs to agree their deal. We never had a chance, despite Toby leading Koeman and Reed on

 

In what way do we know Toby was not going to sign for us. Maybe his head was turned after talking to them after they bothered to agree a deal first.

Our argument that it was all Toby's fault would certainly look a lot better if we'd agreed a deal first.

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So while we were dithering about with Atletico around the clause we allowed Spurs to come in with a bid (a very public one) and by the time we got our act together he already had his head turned and was signing with them.

 

Sorry, but the club are not absolved of blame here. Still feel like this could have been sorted much sooner before Spurs were on the scene.

I'm with you on this. Anyone who shouts you down needs to take off their rose tinted glasses.

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What?

 

You mean the Club didn't royally **** it up?

 

You mean Les isn't a dithering ****wit?

 

You mean the CFO didn't get fired for messing up the terms of the contract?

 

Who'd have thought it???

 

I for one am shocked to hear the club is staffed by reasonably professional people in this way. Who knew?

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So while we were dithering about with Atletico around the clause we allowed Spurs to come in with a bid (a very public one) and by the time we got our act together he already had his head turned and was signing with them.

 

Sorry, but the club are not absolved of blame here. Still feel like this could have been sorted much sooner before Spurs were on the scene.

Okay then.

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