Mallagroth Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Why do new Liverpool signings always have to trot out this great history guff?. Why the hell is something that happened before your life time at all relevant to your decisions currently? I know they are told to say but it really has become irritating how many times the phrase 'great history', 'solid history', 'fantastic history' has to be peddled out by pundits and players in various different ways. What bearing does that have at all on the future or even current status and trajectory of the club you are joining? The sycophantic love in with the top clubs has got worse and worse the last two seasons and it seems to me like those in the media associated with them are desperately trying to cling onto the glory of a dying age, does the truth scare them? It seems to me that the increase in premier money has meant that the gap between 'big' (rich) clubs and those below them, with good setups and managers, is being drastically reduced season upon season. All the clubs in this league now have the financial clout to buy some of the best in Europe 'IF' they can correctly identify them. There are enough elite level european players around that the big clubs cant buy them all (Chelsea may try), and many it appears have a lazy recruitment policy of going for what's currently hot in the foreign and local press which often results in one or two expensive flops (I believe we were victims of this ourselves to a certain extent with Ramirez). Meanwhile the mid table clubs grow stronger as they have more money and stability and can now build more solid teams each season, being much more used to the challenge of spotting talent for discounts and taking risks on unpopular or less hyped players. As this trend continues the gap across the whole table will gradually close up. I predict we will see someone unexpected in the top 4 very soon, and not many seasons after we will see a 'big' team in an unexpected relegation battle; that is unless something is done to quickly stop the share of power. It is rather cynical of me, but I believe that FFP was introduced to try and keep the status quo of a closed top 5, it appears that it wasn't balanced right and now with the incoming tv money the writing 'is on the wall', so I'm fully expecting new methods will be introduced to try to preserve the rich clubs status. However as things stand I believe the glory day's of the Premier League top 6 being a closed shop is at an end and I believe that makes the future much more exciting than the prospect of reliving the glories of a black and white past. Apologies if you found all that a bore, I love to ramble on now and then, but I've been wondering recently what other peoples thoughts are on the future of the premier league both short and long term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 They are a big club and players there have a better chance at silverware and Champions League than with the likes of us but the whole history stuff is tiresome. It's probably way down the list of priorities for someone like Clyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 I imagine before they give those joining interviews they are well briefed by their new clubs on saying the things the fans want to here Great history - check Amazing fans -check best stadium atmosphere in the world - check big club - check club can win silverware - check and repeat.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Was Clyne even born when Liverpool last won the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 However as things stand I believe the glory day's of the Premier League top 6 being a closed shop is at an end and I believe that makes the future much more exciting than the prospect of reliving the glories of a black and white past. I think that you're right. It isn't that long ago when we first started our upward trajectory under Cortese and he talked about the club's ambitions to play in Europe, that certain posters derided anybody who dared to dream that it would come to pass. Why, we would never be capable of finishing a season above the top 6, or even Everton. Anybody who thought we could was labelled as deluded. Now it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that we could finish above Spurs and Liverpool and even squeeze into the top four if we have an exceptional season and one of the big four falter. At certain stages of the last season, Man U and Arsenal got off to slow starts and City began to slide a little towards the end of the season. Liverpool aren't the force they once were and I don't see Rodgers staying there much longer if his recent signings don't deliver him a top four finish, the same for Poch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 They say stuff like that because they have nothing else to say and it plays to the fans and media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 I imagine before they give those joining interviews they are well briefed by their new clubs on saying the things the fans want to here Great history - check Amazing fans -check best stadium atmosphere in the world - check big club - check club can win silverware - check and repeat.......... That's the formula. And it even works in Portsmouth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 I imagine before they give those joining interviews they are well briefed by their new clubs on saying the things the fans want to here Great history - check Amazing fans -check best stadium atmosphere in the world - check big club - check club can win silverware - check and repeat.......... Exactly. The reason the interviews all go the same way is because the Liverpool PR people brief them all the same way. We're just as bad. I find our new signing interviews cringeworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 That's the formula. And it even works in Portsmouth! Only if you're very ****in old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 They are on the way to becoming Sunderland and Newcastle, history is all they now have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 They are on the way to becoming Sunderland and Newcastle, history is all they now have left. I didn't see Sunderland or Newcastle finishing second in the last 2 years. It wasn't that long ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 FFP is the key here, it was brought-in in good faith I believe, I do not think it was done in order to specifically consolidate the top four but it does have that bi-product as those earning the most will be allowed to spend the most. The new TV deals which kick in next year will break down some of the top-four's advantage by making Premier League Status more powerful compared to Champions League qualification, ensuring that the chasing pack are more powerful by being richer then essentially any other club (excluding those at the very top of the Italian, Spanish and German leagues, and the top 4 + Liverpool, Spurs) in the world. The challenge to break the Top 6 stronghold is massive but not in my opinion as big a task as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 I didn't see Sunderland or Newcastle finishing second in the last 2 years. It wasn't that long ago! It wasn't. But it raises the rose-tinted fantasy that had we had Suarez and Sturridge playing for us, we could have been second too, especially as our defence was better than theirs. Indeed, we could have been in the top 4 with Kane's goals, or Bale's before him. They will hope that Firmino is the next Suarez, but perhaps he will be the next Ballotelli instead. Sturridge might have his usual season of injuries and Stirling could still be off. But after analysing the players and what they might bring, ultimately I just don't think that Rodgers is much cop (kop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Was Clyne even born when Liverpool last won the league? He was born a little less than a year after their last league championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Was Clyne even born when Liverpool last won the league? Probably not but he was when they won the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 None of this is as peculiar as the new Saints signings being briefed to call us a big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 They are on the way to becoming Sunderland and Newcastle, history is all they now have left. Just like Leeds, Nottingham Forest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 None of this is as peculiar as the new Saints signings being briefed to call us a big club. It depends where they come from. We might be a big club compared to where they were. It is all relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Because that is all they have at Liverpool, can't really talk about wining the league or playing in the champions league and it looks silly if he goes "well they are paying me a lot of money" A club that has aside a little blip here and there been in decline for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Notts Forest have more history than many clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 It depends where they come from. We might be a big club compared to where they were. It is all relative. Without getting into a whose-club-is-bigger-than-whose discussion, these guys were hardly playing for Luton Town before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 Without getting into a whose-club-is-bigger-than-whose discussion, these guys were hardly playing for Luton Town before. I don't see much of a problem if players come here from the likes of Young Boys, VVV-Venlo, Red Bull Salzburg or even Hull and consider that joining us is a big step up in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 Only clubs are players should leave for is top 4 in England or the top 2/3 in Italy and Spain. Sadly money and history helps, Liverpool will finish 6th or 7th or worse IMO, this start will screw them over. Arsenal Spurs UTD Chelsea and City away before xmas along with tough top 8/9 teams like us and Stoke, I am gonna call it and say we are above Liverpool at xmas, Rodgers will be under pressure and they will finish within 1/2 of us, its not a massive step up, but good luck to the lads who left Clyne left in a ok manor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 I imagine before they give those joining interviews they are well briefed by their new clubs on saying the things the fans want to here Great history - check Amazing fans -check best stadium atmosphere in the world - check big club - check club can win silverware - check and repeat.......... There's a ton of stuff on the nutjob thread about another team that likes to do this. Except the last one, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 It depends where they come from. We might be a big club compared to where they were. It is all relative. Sporting Clube de Portugal..? Massive historically famous club with regular recent trophy-winning domestic past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 Only clubs are players should leave for is top 4 in England or the top 2/3 in Italy and Spain. Sadly money and history helps, Liverpool will finish 6th or 7th or worse IMO, this start will screw them over. Arsenal Spurs UTD Chelsea and City away before xmas along with tough top 8/9 teams like us and Stoke, I am gonna call it and say we are above Liverpool at xmas, Rodgers will be under pressure and they will finish within 1/2 of us, its not a massive step up, but good luck to the lads who left Clyne left in a ok manor. We've got the Europa League to worry about, and as a result almost all of our potential Europa Thursdays right through to the semi-finals would see us face one of the other Euro qualifiers on the weekend after. If we bomb out of the Europa early we could be in an excellent position to break the top 4, as every time we face a likely top 8 side we'll have had a rest and they'll have played midweek. Having said that, if we don't replace Alderweireld and/or Schneiderlin, and Cedric doesn't hit the ground running we're unlikely to do as well as last season anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Only clubs are players should leave for is top 4 in England or the top 2/3 in Italy and Spain. Sadly money and history helps, Liverpool will finish 6th or 7th or worse IMO, this start will screw them over. Arsenal Spurs UTD Chelsea and City away before xmas along with tough top 8/9 teams like us and Stoke, I am gonna call it and say we are above Liverpool at xmas, Rodgers will be under pressure and they will finish within 1/2 of us, its not a massive step up, but good luck to the lads who left Clyne left in a ok manor. I'm calling Rodgers sacked by Xmas with Klopp coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 I'm calling Rodgers sacked by Xmas with Klopp coming in. Don't want that Rodgers is the gift that keeps on giving. Don't want Liverpool to have a manger who knows what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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