Saint dyer Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Correct me if I am wrong but victor has 2 years left on his deal. Should we be looking at extending it very soon so we are not in the same predicament next summer as we are with clyne? I assume victor is worth about 20-25 million but with 12 months left next summer he could be worth 15 tops? Hope the club are looking at this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Yes absolutely. He'll be gone this time next year if we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 It would be nice to extend a deal for at least one of the players who will be attracting interest from top clubs. It doesn't mean they will stay for too much longer but at least it gives us a good opportunity to get a good deal. I wonder if we offer buy out clauses as part of our offers? Seems to be how lots of other clubs manage contract extensions for their best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 I feel confident that the club know what they are doing. These matters may not be as simple as they appear. I would assume that if a player signs an extension then his book value as a capital asset increases and there may be Corporation Tax considerations involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 You're assuming that he will sign a contract. If I was him and my stock was continuing to rise, there's no way I'd sign a new contract here. I'd be looking for a move for the 2016/17 season to a CL club and signing a new deal would just hamper that. This is just the world of football as we know it: zero romanticism, 100% business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Really hope he stays. He's a top bloke and attends church regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Correct me if I am wrong but victor has 2 years left on his deal. Should we be looking at extending it very soon so we are not in the same predicament next summer as we are with clyne? I assume victor is worth about 20-25 million but with 12 months left next summer he could be worth 15 tops? Hope the club are looking at this A lot will depend on if he's already been tapped or in the process of being so? If he has, any offer will in all probability be futile though no doubt his agent will possibly drag matters out along the lines of the "he will stay, no he won't he stay, yes he will stay . . . . ." game, as the clock runs down - as indeed per Clyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Really hope he stays. He's a top bloke and attends church regularly. On this basis, I hope we sell him this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 I very much doubt he will sign a new contract. I'm sure the club would have given him one if the willingness to sign was there. To be honest, him leaving next summer is probably the natural time for his career progression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 On this basis, I hope we sell him this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 I very much doubt he will sign a new contract. I'm sure the club would have given him one if the willingness to sign was there. To be honest, him leaving next summer is probably the natural time for his career progression If he carries on playing well only a Champs league team can afford him, he's not going anywhere right now so no harm in offering him a few extra quid to extend his contract and he could still leave next year to a big club and we get a nice wedge for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 If he carries on playing well only a Champs league team can afford him, he's not going anywhere right now so no harm in offering him a few extra quid to extend his contract and he could still leave next year to a big club and we get a nice wedge for it. Can work the other way of course in that he'll get a much larger personal wedge from the buying club; the lower his transfer fee is the more money available for him - Clyne transfer smacks of that? Hence players planning ahead can often let their contracts run down on the basis of interested clubs having previously tapped them and the matter having been talked through in relation to the money involved and thus how it should be handled. That is handled to both parties - the player and buying club's - monetary advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Really hope he stays. He's a top bloke and attends church regularly. Consider me to have responded appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Really hope he stays. He's a top bloke and attends church regularly. Left footer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Left footer? If it matters, perhaps he should leave "The Saints" and sooner rather than later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glengarryleads Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Fair or not, i can't help but fear that the whole "house broken into" episode is a giant mark in the 'leave' column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 You're assuming that he will sign a contract. If I was him and my stock was continuing to rise, there's no way I'd sign a new contract here. I'd be looking for a move for the 2016/17 season to a CL club and signing a new deal would just hamper that. This is just the world of football as we know it: zero romanticism, 100% business. This He saw how it's worked out for Clyne not signing a contract and he saw what happened to Morgan last season with his contract. Judging by his comments over the last few months he thinks he should be at Arsenal as long as Victor is confident that he can get a better gig I doubt he will sign a new contract. Doesn't mean we shouldn't offer him one this summer but I'd be surprised if he would sign it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Really hope he stays. He's a top bloke and attends church regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 (edited) Really hope he stays. He's a top bloke and attends church regularly. Jeez, were those inner city slums only 45 years ago Edited 30 June, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Ohh he's been a naughty boy! http://www.sde.co.ke/m/?articleID=2000167448&story_title=southampton-midfielder-victor-wanyama-forced-to-apologize-for-wearing-racist-tshirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Ohh he's been a naughty boy! http://www.sde.co.ke/m/?articleID=2000167448&story_title=southampton-midfielder-victor-wanyama-forced-to-apologize-for-wearing-racist-tshirt Not naughty, just thick and uneducated...and him a regular churchgoer to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Not naughty, just thick and uneducated...and him a regular churchgoer to boot. Only thick and uneducated people go to church after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Only thick and uneducated people go to church after all. Gullible people...but that's a whole different question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Gullible people...but that's a whole different question Yeah exactly. Gullible idiots. He's such a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Ohh he's been a naughty boy! http://www.sde.co.ke/m/?articleID=2000167448&story_title=southampton-midfielder-victor-wanyama-forced-to-apologize-for-wearing-racist-tshirt Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 we should be pinning him down to a new deal now. not wait till january or end of this season. but now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 we should be pinning him down to a new deal now. not wait till january or end of this season. but now agreed. Can't see him signing though. No need from his point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 All player power these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Gullible people...but that's a whole different question Any proof of that? Or you just spewing bias? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Any proof of that? Or you just spewing bias? If you need proof then you have no faith. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 If you need proof then you have no faith. Or something. Given that answer then we are seriously inclined to believe there is no proof just the spewing of bias. So on the strength of such it's akin to saying all Saints fans are pure Dickheads, there's no real proof they are not. However, at that point a normal person's reasoning and logic should cut in to inform that such a proposition is highly likely to be extremely flawed; indeed flawed to the point of complete stupidity if it should in any shape or form be accepted or deemed acceptable. That being the case anyone trying to extol the belief all Saints fans are pure Dickheads, likewise all churchgoers are gullible idiots and defending the same even with attempted smart-arse ripostes must dint of basic logic allied to normal reasoning capability be arseholes of the first order and in that conclusion I do have complete and utter faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Fair or not, i can't help but fear that the whole "house broken into" episode is a giant mark in the 'leave' column. As opposed to all the current Liverpool players who joined after their players were subjected to sequential burglaries of one of their properties pretty much every time they played a match on TV? Yeah, that's going to be a consideration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Given that answer then we are seriously inclined to believe there is no proof just the spewing of bias. So on the strength of such it's akin to saying all Saints fans are pure Dickheads, there's no real proof they are not. However, at that point a normal person's reasoning and logic should cut in to inform that such a proposition is highly likely to be extremely flawed; indeed flawed to the point of complete stupidity if it should in any shape or form be accepted or deemed acceptable. That being the case anyone trying to extol the belief all Saints fans are pure Dickheads, likewise all churchgoers are gullible idiots and defending the same even with attempted smart-arse ripostes must dint of basic logic allied to normal reasoning capability be arseholes of the first order and in that conclusion I do have complete and utter faith. So what you're saying is that gullibility implies being unconsciously duped and faith is a conscious decision to believe in the unprovable. So just stupidity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 I'm expecting Wanyama and Mane to be next summer's Clyne and Schneiderlin to be honest. Vic has allegedly already spoken of wanting to play CL, and although Mane comes across a lot more sensible than his some of his compatriots (i.e. El Hadji Diouf and Aliou Cisse – one obnoxious and the other an ex-Portsmouth player), he has no real connection to Saints and I can't see him staying if a richer club come in for him, which they will if he puts in another good season. We can and should be offering both long-term contracts, but I wouldn't bank on keeping either of them. Having a five-year deal didn't stop Lallana leaving, did it? I think the best we can do is to protect their value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 I'm expecting Wanyama and Mane to be next summer's Clyne and Schneiderlin to be honest. Vic has allegedly already spoken of wanting to play CL, and although Mane comes across a lot more sensible than his some of his compatriots (i.e. El Hadji Diouf and Aliou Cisse – one obnoxious and the other an ex-Portsmouth player), he has no real connection to Saints and I can't see him staying if a richer club come in for him, which they will if he puts in another good season. We can and should be offering both long-term contracts, but I wouldn't bank on keeping either of them. Having a five-year deal didn't stop Lallana leaving, did it? I think the best we can do is to protect their value. Agreed. However, it seems that some fans think that all players should emulate MLT and stay with the club for the duration of their careers. It won't happen. By now, we must surely believe all those soccer folk who keep saying "..it's a business nowadays "...for so it is, and " everyone has a price ",and players will always come and go. Although Mane blew a bit hot and cold at the start of last season, his record-breaking hat-trick will surely put an extra £5 million on any eventual valuation. Who knows? ..he might get to like So'ton (although I'm prejudiced having been born in the city), but at £25 mill. per player transfer we're sure to sell one or two of the best every season ......until we get CL qualification that is, at which point in time, who'd want to leave? As this thread is supposed to be about Victor Wanyama .......I'd write the same about him, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Quote Originally Posted by ENSKIED View Post Given that answer then we are seriously inclined to believe there is no proof just the spewing of bias. So on the strength of such it's akin to saying all Saints fans are pure Dickheads, there's no real proof they are not. However, at that point a normal person's reasoning and logic should cut in to inform that such a proposition is highly likely to be extremely flawed; indeed flawed to the point of complete stupidity if it should in any shape or form be accepted or deemed acceptable. That being the case anyone trying to extol the belief all Saints fans are pure Dickheads, likewise all churchgoers are gullible idiots and defending the same even with attempted smart-arse ripostes must dint of basic logic allied to normal reasoning capability be arseholes of the first order and in that conclusion I do have complete and utter faith. So what you're saying is that gullibility implies being unconsciously duped and faith is a conscious decision to believe in the unprovable. So just stupidity? Yeah, I could be saying that if you have trouble with English Language comprehension or are acting the Dickhead. Those who don't have such problems will be up to speed and understand what I'm saying is anyone making any claims for a patently indefensible positions such as all "Saints Fans are pure Dickheads" or "All Churchgoers are gullible idiots etc. etc. " are arseholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Can anyone confirm how it works in terms of the selling club having to pay up the remainder of a contract for a player that hasn't put in a transfer request? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENSKIED Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Can anyone confirm how it works in terms of the selling club having to pay up the remainder of a contract for a player that hasn't put in a transfer request? I think it works basically on the lines that if the player moves and earns more money in the process, then the selling club are not liable for "damages" in regard to the player leaving. Now loyalty bonuses [usually the case] might have to be paid, a lot of it depends of course on what is written in specific clauses in the contract- something which of course we'll never be privy to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 we should be pinning him down to a new deal now. not wait till january or end of this season. but now Who says we aren't trying to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Who says we aren't trying to? Don't you just love the way the usual suspects work themselves up into a lather over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Think it's fairly obvious he will be the next player to leave (after Morgan), will be off next summer unless we get top 4 as he is that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Don't you just love the way the usual suspects work themselves up into a lather over nothing. Yes, and the way that similar comments regarding Clyne's contract situation last year were fobbed off as the usual suspects working themselves up into a lather over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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