Toadhall Saint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Listening to all the Utd supporters calling in talkSport and spouting off on forums that they don't think Morgan is good enough as he has no European and CL experience and that he is OK at best. Not good enough - he owned their midfield last year - not one of em are fit to lace his boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Not good enough - he owned their midfield last year - not one of em are fit to lace his boots. To be fair, if it was Mancs phoning talk sport then they're likely to be your arm-chair-never been to a game type of fan. To be fair to them, reading through redcafe they all want him. They think he should be their number 1 singing this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Can you also name drop and credit all the twitter user accounts you've nicked info off over the years and passed off as your own. Thanks in advance. It's that sort of tenacity that has got Conor where he is today; claiming he once met Alex Crook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Reading between the lines a bit, I'm sure things were said last year along the lines of "sure, if a Champions League side comes in for you and matches our valuation of you, we'll let you leave, but you're not going to Spurs this summer". As things stand, none of the 4 clubs who qualified for the Champions League have made an offer that matches our valuation (whether that's £25m, £30m or somewhere in between, depending on who you believe) - hopefully he is a bit more measured dealing with the situation this summer, as I don't expect Man United to just hand over the asking price immediately. He's probably going to have to be very patient. In the meantime, I'd be very surprised if we weren't already setting up deals elsewhere - with the club's cashflow boosted in May with the PL prize money, it shouldn't be a case of not having the cash to do deals until we sell. What happens if a Champions League club comes in with the full offer a day before the transfer window has closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 They think he should be their number 1 singing this summer. Hope we don't let him go for a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 To be fair, if it was Mancs phoning talk sport then they're likely to be your arm-chair-never been to a game type of fan. To be fair to them, reading through redcafe they all want him. They think he should be their number 1 singing this summer. And they would be right. Let's no beat about the bush here he, is one of the best in the position he plays out there.. How arsenal are not all over him like a rash just baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Hope we don't let him go for a song. Doh'. long day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 What happens if a Champions League club comes in with the full offer a day before the transfer window has closed? I like to think we'd say "Tough come back in January and add another 5 million while you are at it". It would be to late to use the money for anything useful or to get a replacement by then. Though TBH 30 million would probably be to hard to turn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 I like to think we'd say "Tough come back in January and add another 5 million while you are at it". It would be to late to use the money for anything useful or to get a replacement by then. Was it ever established exactly why we don't have the money to pay for a replacement right now? I mean we're not going to sign anyone for anything upwards of about 16 million anyway, why don't we have that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/andy-mitten-how-morgan-schneiderlin-9559352 Nothing particularly new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 I like to think we'd say "Tough come back in January and add another 5 million while you are at it". It would be to late to use the money for anything useful or to get a replacement by then. Though TBH 30 million would probably be to hard to turn down. I was just responding to Steve's assumptions on what might have been agreed with Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Maybe we received more than what the club valued them at. The club won't sell Morgan for less than his club's perceived value. but we didnt HAVE to sell them. we might have got champions league had we had a back up to pelle, or had lallana when tadic gave up anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 I like to think we'd say "Tough come back in January and add another 5 million while you are at it". It would be to late to use the money for anything useful or to get a replacement by then. Though TBH 30 million would probably be to hard to turn down. The situation with us though is that we wouldn't get more in January, after this window his value will just drop. In his current contract status, his peak value is probably £25-30m, it will go down from here. I reckon as the window goes on and clubs are still bulking at the £25m+ we want, then we'll negotiate lower. I don't think we fancy the risk of running someone as valuable as him down to a single year, plus there's the added need to replace him. You can't just sell Morgan, fill his place with Reed and expect to be as competitive. On one hand we have an element of power at this moment in time with regards to demanding the fee, but as the window draws to a close, the player will dictate what happens in my opinion. And by next summer, we hold very little power and would probably only get £15m tops for him. I'm pretty sure he will go sooner rather than later, and whilst you have to admire us for sticking to our guns re: the fee we want, that may change as the window moves on when it becomes obvious that clubs aren't interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Was it ever established exactly why we don't have the money to pay for a replacement right now? I mean we're not going to sign anyone for anything upwards of about 16 million anyway, why don't we have that? Has anyone said we don't have the money? If we don't sell him, we don't need a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 (edited) Has anyone said we don't have the money? If we don't sell him, we don't need a replacement. Ah but post 311 implies that we need the money somewhat before deadline day for it to be of any utility, thus the assumption that we cannot advance it. First mooted in post 269 though. Edited 30 June, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 The situation with us though is that we wouldn't get more in January, after this window his value will just drop. In his current contract status, his peak value is probably £25-30m, it will go down from here. I reckon as the window goes on and clubs are still bulking at the £25m+ we want, then we'll negotiate lower. I don't think we fancy the risk of running someone as valuable as him down to a single year, plus there's the added need to replace him. You can't just sell Morgan, fill his place with Reed and expect to be as competitive. On one hand we have an element of power at this moment in time with regards to demanding the fee, but as the window draws to a close, the player will dictate what happens in my opinion. And by next summer, we hold very little power and would probably only get £15m tops for him. I'm pretty sure he will go sooner rather than later, and whilst you have to admire us for sticking to our guns re: the fee we want, that may change as the window moves on when it becomes obvious that clubs aren't interested. Got to add in the January window premium:) TBF I don't disagree in some ways I think the club would be happy to sell Morgan now for 25-30 million and invest in 2-3 new players at about 10 million each (which they can sell for more in 2-3 seasons time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Fee now agreed apparently. Courtesy of twitter Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Fee now agreed apparently. Courtesy of twitter Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Who on twitter bob from his bedroom or Man U official twitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Football cafe. 62k followers. Not sure how reliable. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Football cafe. 62k followers. Not sure how reliable. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk OK Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Can you also name drop and credit all the twitter user accounts you've nicked info off over the years and passed off as your own. Thanks in advance. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Football cafe. 62k followers. Not sure how reliable. I'm sure if it's true, news will spread rapidly so we'll find out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 but we didnt HAVE to sell them. we might have got champions league had we had a back up to pelle, or had lallana when tadic gave up anyway.... true except that we might not have signed tadic if Lallana hadn't left. Not entirely sure we would have signed Pelle is Lambert had stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Ah but post 311 implies that we need the money somewhat before deadline day for it to be of any utility, thus the assumption that we cannot advance it. First mooted in post 269 though. Liebherr might has said no to more "temporary" cash flow assisting loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 According to a friend who is a reporter for the Echo (not football), we have not received any offers for Morgan. Chelsea are not interested whilst Man U and Arsenal have other targets at the moment. He has been wrong about Saints before though (or did Sven become our Manager at one stage?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Ah but post 311 implies that we need the money somewhat before deadline day for it to be of any utility, thus the assumption that we cannot advance it. First mooted in post 269 though. I interpreted post 311 as meaning if we sell him 24 hours before the window closes, and then try to get a replacement, we have to pay over the odds to push a deal through. Not that we need to sell before we can buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/andy-mitten-how-morgan-schneiderlin-9559352 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/andy-mitten-how-morgan-schneiderlin-9559352 Yeah, stuck that up further on the page, decent read. Not sure how itk Mitten is, but always comes across as a sensible, well-informed bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Krueger said we'd only sell if it was for the right price Koeman said we haven't received a serious offer for Morgan yet. Tbh that's all we need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Yeah, stuck that up further on the page, decent read. Not sure how itk Mitten is, but always comes across as a sensible, well-informed bloke. Sorry, just seen you had posted same link. Decent read, he seems very decisive on dates and amounts which does lend a certain credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 June, 2015 Share Posted 30 June, 2015 Sorry, just seen you had posted same link. Decent read, he seems very decisive on dates and amounts which does lend a certain credibility. He could have got the date from this tweet from 5 hours before his article was published... Amy Lewis @SkySportsAmy 8h8 hours ago Understand Man Utd bid for Schneiderlin 10 days ago (under £25m). Didn't meet Saints asking price & was rejected. Also told no contact since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Jeremy Wilson reporting Utd failed with a bid of £20m last week and have not returned with new offer as of yet. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/transfers/11712125/Manchester-United-transfer-news-Southampton-turn-down-20m-Morgan-Schneiderlin-bid.html Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Jeremy Wilson reporting Utd failed with a bid of £20m last week and have not returned with new offer as of yet. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/transfers/11712125/Manchester-United-transfer-news-Southampton-turn-down-20m-Morgan-Schneiderlin-bid.html Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Few United fans I was talking to today think they might not come back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Jeremy Wilson reporting Utd failed with a bid of £20m last week and have not returned with new offer as of yet. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/transfers/11712125/Manchester-United-transfer-news-Southampton-turn-down-20m-Morgan-Schneiderlin-bid.html Well at least it wasn't a completely insulting offer like Tottenham's £10m. Basically, if Utd come in again it'll likely be for £25m an we'll sell. The ball is in their court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 Few United fans I was talking to today think they might not come back! Find it hard to believe you make an opening bid of £20m for a player and then walk away. I would imagine the only circumstance where that happens is when all of a sudden a different deal opens up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 1 July, 2015 Share Posted 1 July, 2015 http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/andy-mitten-how-morgan-schneiderlin-9559352 Nothing particularly new. Good read though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 Find it hard to believe you make an opening bid of £20m for a player and then walk away. I would imagine the only circumstance where that happens is when all of a sudden a different deal opens up for you. With United now (apparently) stalling on Schneiderlin and starting to talk about Jordy Clasie again, I can't help but wonder if the mutual dislike between Van Gaal and Ronald is at play here. Several of Koeman's critical next moves are held up pending a Van Gaal decision. Van Gaal knows he'll get who he wants in the end, and he's the sort of person to get a kick out of jerking Ronald around in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 Several of Koeman's critical next moves are held up pending a Van Gaal decision. Van Gaal knows he'll get who he wants in the end, and he's the sort of person to get a kick out of jerking Ronald around in the process. You'd hope that the manager of Manchester United wouldn't have time to worry about petty things like that, and would just want to get his own dealings done for the sake of his team. But it's possible I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 You'd hope that the manager of Manchester United wouldn't have time to worry about petty things like that, and would just want to get his own dealings done for the sake of his team. But it's possible I guess. Get the impression that Van Gaal has a different agenda where Ronald is concerned, probably resents the fact that Koeman is mentioned in the same sentence as Cruyff in Dutch football, bit like Hoddle and his issue with Matty being more gifted than him. The Villa story at Vale do Lobo does show the pettiness of the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 The club could play hard ball and refuse to sell him in the summer, so two can play at that game - I'm sure the clubs are bigger than that as united will have better things to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 With United now (apparently) stalling on Schneiderlin and starting to talk about Jordy Clasie again, I can't help but wonder if the mutual dislike between Van Gaal and Ronald is at play here. Several of Koeman's critical next moves are held up pending a Van Gaal decision. Van Gaal knows he'll get who he wants in the end, and he's the sort of person to get a kick out of jerking Ronald around in the process. Clasie doesn't make much sense - clasie is not a like-for-like replacement for schneiderlin and they're in the market for a solid, physical yet polished DM in the mold of schneiderlin. Bind, Herrera, Carrick can all do a Clasie job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 2 July, 2015 Share Posted 2 July, 2015 The club could play hard ball and refuse to sell him in the summer, so two can play at that game - I'm sure the clubs are bigger than that as united will have better things to worry about. We've already told the player how much we value him at and that if a sufficient bid is made it'll be accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Oh dear! http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/588529/Morgan-Schneiderlin-Man-Utd-Arsenal-Spurs-Wimbledon-Jo-Wilfried-Tsonga-Transfer-News Are the press really that short of news that they have to continue writing utter rubbish. Bloke goes to watch the premier Grand Slam tennis event so let's spin out a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Oh dear! http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/588529/Morgan-Schneiderlin-Man-Utd-Arsenal-Spurs-Wimbledon-Jo-Wilfried-Tsonga-Transfer-News Are the press really that short of news that they have to continue writing utter rubbish. Bloke goes to watch the premier Grand Slam tennis event so let's spin out a story. Wasnt there a similair story last year of him at a train station in london with pictures on twitter? Turned out he was watching tennis then too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Fans hunger for transfer news and papers have columns to fill. Its a marriage made in heaven or hell, which ever way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Utter tripe of a report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Utter tripe of a report. The express do seem to print a load of rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Maybe he went along to chat to Bastian Schweinsteiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 £20m offer was just £15M upfront where as Saints will only fell for £20M upfront minumum with £4M add ons that are not a ****take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 3 July, 2015 Share Posted 3 July, 2015 Some gaps to fill in there pluto.. and a curve ball pic to boot. I like your style mush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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