A New Stadium ?

[Pastor Patrón]

Apart from the fact that Saints do own land out there and some posters on here were part of a feasibility study, that's a great post.

 

Of course it will never happen, but the OP's premise wasn't a million miles away.

 

Dude I'm an architect, I really don't give a toss about your opinion on this one, I actually know what I'm talking about. At most they've done a pre app for it and got told there was next to no chance which equates to fuk all, even if they said there's a chance of it being approved it means fuk all because it's not binding when it then goes to planning. If it went to planning everyone would know about it, it'd be a 40+ stadium in the green belt ffs it's not something you can do on the sly. A feasibility study means absolutely sod all, I don't care what some d&b contractor with a btec said to make their job sound more interesting

[JonnyOldBoy]

Completely incorrect.... The stadium design means that expansion to 45K costs about 90% of the cost of a whole new stadium.... I will believe the people that actually build the stadium , rather than a comparison from some other random stadium.

 

Cardiff City recently added over 5,000 seats and more corporate areas for £12m.

 

If Saints added 13,000 to St Mary's it would be tiny in cost compared to building a completely new 45,000+ stadium.

[JonnyOldBoy]

You need to read more and randomly spout less... just a suggestion...

 

Yes Saints bought some land and got outline planning permission for a new stadium and managed to keep it on the downlow. Despite planning involving public consultation. Your friend is full of sh#t

[Sour Mash]

Completely incorrect.... The stadium design means that expansion to 45K costs about 90% of the cost of a whole new stadium.... I will believe the people that actually build the stadium , rather than a comparison from some other random stadium.

90% of the original St Mary's construction costs?Or 90% of a new build one started now?

 

St Marys cost £30m? I could see it pushing £20m+ easily for 13k new seats.

 

Not going to happen anyway.

[Matthew Le God]

I also spoke to someone who makes chunks of stadia for a living earlier this year and he confirmed the price to extend St Mary's to 45K would be roughly the same as building a new Stadium from scratch.

 

Cardiff City recently added over 5,000 seats and more corporate areas for £12m.

 

If Saints added 13,000 to St Mary's it would be tiny in cost compared to building a completely new 45,000+ stadium.

 

Completely incorrect.... The stadium design means that expansion to 45K costs about 90% of the cost of a whole new stadium.... I will believe the people that actually build the stadium , rather than a comparison from some other random stadium.

 

I don't see why you think adding seats to St Mary's would be so much more costly than adding seats to Cardiff's stadium? Many other examples I could use to show adding seats to an existing relatively modern stadium is significantly cheaper than building an entirely new one to the same capacity.

 

- St Mary's cost £32m to build in 1999 to 2001

- 90% of £32m = £28.8m

 

- Cardiff City in the last 2 years added 5,000 seats at a cost of £12m or £2,400 per seat

 

To add 13,000 seats to St Mary's to take it to 45,000 at £2,400 per seat would = £31.2m

 

Very similar!

To build a 45,000 seater stadium from scratch on Jackson's Farm would cost significantly more than £28.8m or £31.2m!

 

Out of interest how much do you think the two things would cost...?

 

a) expanding St Mary's to 45,000

b) building a brand new 45,000 stadium

Edited 24 June, 2015 by Matthew Le God

[September Saint]

45K is well beyond the short and medium needs of SFC. A second tier on the Kingsland will bring us up to 38K. Apart from a few fixtures per season should be enough for quite a while, and a lot cheaper. The only way moving out would be cost effective is if the land at St Mary's is far more valuable than the new site.

[CB Fry]

I don't see why you think adding seats to St Mary's would be so much more costly than adding seats to Cardiff's stadium? Many other examples I could use to show adding seats to an existing relatively modern stadium is significantly cheaper than building an entirely new one to the same capacity.

 

- St Mary's cost £32m to build in 1999 to 2001

- 90% of £32m = £28.8m

 

- Cardiff City in the last 2 years added 5,000 seats at a cost of £12m or £2,400 per seat

 

To add 13,000 seats to St Mary's to take it to 45,000 at £2,400 per seat would = £31.2m

 

Very similar!

To build a 45,000 seater stadium from scratch on Jackson's Farm would cost significantly more than £28.8m or £31.2m!

 

Out of interest how much do you think the two things would cost...?

 

a) expanding St Mary's to 45,000

b) building a brand new 45,000 stadium

And he's still going.

[Fan The Flames]

And he's still going.

 

And he's still more interesting than you.

[Gemmel]

Dude I'm an architect, I really don't give a toss about your opinion on this one, I actually know what I'm talking about. At most they've done a pre app for it and got told there was next to no chance which equates to fuk all, even if they said there's a chance of it being approved it means fuk all because it's not binding when it then goes to planning. If it went to planning everyone would know about it, it'd be a 40+ stadium in the green belt ffs it's not something you can do on the sly. A feasibility study means absolutely sod all, I don't care what some d&b contractor with a btec said to make their job sound more interesting

 

I should have probably stopped at "Dude".

 

You have shown you can type, but failed miserably at your ability to read.

[JonnyOldBoy]

some interesting posts here from budding civil engineers... However in the real world the situation as it has been explained to me is thus : Only one stand can be extended at a reasonable cost... but that would only give an extra 3000-ish seats. And it would chew up valuable space around the stadium. The guy I spoke to about this BUILDS THESE THINGS FOR A LIVING so he knows what he is talking about. SMS could have been built for an extra £10M which would have allowed for future 360 expansion to 45,000ish but the decision was made not to do this. There is a more costly option to extend the one stand giving another 5000-ish seats but this it not viable when considered against the cost of building a new stadium for 45,000-50,000 people. Other stadia that can be affordably extended possess different design characteristics. SMS was shoe-horned into that site and this was one of the original features influencing the design(s). So in summary , SMS in my opinion ( and his ) is unlikely to ever be extended..... the fact remains to be seen whether or not the club ever do desire a higher capacity... and it will be interesting to see what is in store for that chunk of land once the planning info becomes public domain... interesting chat... so not sure why the aggressive kn0b feels the need to be abusive ? but hey ho..... ;-)

[Bucks Saint]

Just hope, if we do move out for any work, that we dont go somewhere like Spurs are going to

[Greenridge]

Saints are 16th across all leagues for the highest attendance to ground capacity ratio at 93.77%. Chelsea top.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9915096/is-your-ground-too-big-for-you

[Golden Balls]

Saints are 16th across all leagues for the highest attendance to ground capacity ratio at 93.77%. Chelsea top.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9915096/is-your-ground-too-big-for-you

 

That's clearly a load of rubbish. The skates are down in 36th or something. All I ever hear from The Bestest Fans in The World ™ is they're always full?