JonnyOldBoy Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Can anyone shed any light/credibility to this : I was speaking to a town and country planner 18 months ago who told me "off the record" that Saints had purchased a chunk of land near the M27 Junction 7... The land was purchased with the first stage of planning permission required to build a new stadium ... I have since lost contact with this person , but he was a genuine T&C planner , I know that for sure , and see no reason why he would make that up... Using good old Google earth I can see only one real viable chunk of land , and thats the land that has been used for exploratory drilling just next to link road from the junction to the transmitter roundabout.... anyone else heard anything similar ? I also spoke to someone who makes chunks of stadia for a living earlier this year and he confirmed the price to extend St Mary's to 45K would be roughly the same as building a new Stadium from scratch.... so who knows... maybe there is this secret plot in Hedge End !?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Surely a purchase of land would cost a significant amount and would be visible in the latest accounts? If so, it's complete crap.
buctootim Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Can anyone shed any light/credibility to this : I was speaking to a town and country planner 18 months ago who told me "off the record" that Saints had purchased a chunk of land near the M27 Junction 7... The land was purchased with the first stage of planning permission required to build a new stadium ... I have since lost contact with this person , but he was a genuine T&C planner , I know that for sure , and see no reason why he would make that up... Using good old Google earth I can see only one real viable chunk of land , and thats the land that has been used for exploratory drilling just next to link road from the junction to the transmitter roundabout.... anyone else heard anything similar ? I also spoke to someone who makes chunks of stadia for a living earlier this year and he confirmed the price to extend St Mary's to 45K would be roughly the same as building a new Stadium from scratch.... so who knows... maybe there is this secret plot in Hedge End !? No idea about your info, but if it cost the same to extend SMS in the City centre or to new build in motorway and retail shed country, Id stay where we are.
buctootim Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Surely a purchase of land would cost a significant amount and would be visible in the latest accounts? If so, it's complete crap. Not necessarily. A third party could have purchased it eg a developer, KL herself or a shell company set up for the purpose.
Pilchards Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Supposing KL had 2billion in her bank and wanted to buy a new toy, Is there a reason she can't?
Golden Balls Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Any planning permission would be public no? Also, I'd absolutely hate for us to have a stadium so far out.
Golden Balls Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Supposing KL had 2billion in her bank and wanted to buy a new toy, Is there a reason she can't? No. But I'd rather she buy the land surrounding St Mary's (including the waterfront) and develop that.
Gemmel Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 (edited) I suspect the land being discussed is Jacksons farm, which was left to Saints by the Corbetts and is excatly where the OP mentioned There was talk on here that Cortese explored the idea of building a new stadium there, but I doubt it will ever happen. Perhaps more intrestingly, they think there might be oil there :) :) http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-39963.html Edited 24 June, 2015 by Gemmel
waylander Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Is that where the park and ride used to be? That is something they could usefully bring back.
Saint86 Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I would be totally against moving the stadium out there. However, if the club want to become an oil magnage then i fully support that method of catching man city and chelsea Are there rules against a football club going into business as a natural/shale gas or oil producer for extra funds?
Leicestersaint Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I would be totally against moving the stadium out there. However, if the club want to become an oil magnage then i fully support that method of catching man city and chelsea Are there rules against a football club going into business as a natural/shale gas or oil producer for extra funds? An oil magnage sounds attractive.
david in sweden Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 so .......is the long term idea, that we have a 45K stadium built on the site of Jackson's Farm......and leave the U21 's to play at SMS ..... Not April 1st - is it ?
St Chalet Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Aziz, Take a few days and come back when you are more interesting.
Pancake Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 for who/what? For CabbageFace's "few days away" in his special home.
Matthew Le God Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 (edited) I also spoke to someone who makes chunks of stadia for a living earlier this year and he confirmed the price to extend St Mary's to 45K would be roughly the same as building a new Stadium from scratch. Cardiff City recently added over 5,000 seats and more corporate areas for £12m. If Saints added 13,000 to St Mary's it would be tiny in cost compared to building a completely new 45,000+ stadium. Edited 24 June, 2015 by Matthew Le God
VectisSaint Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I can confirm a planning submission has been submitted in the last week for Jackmans Farm. I can't say what for and who by. They only came in last week and require a couple more signatures so will not be on the web yet. Keep searching though and they will be up soon. I'm guessing its for the much vaunted petting zoo.
the saint in winchester Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Obviously from my location something "our" side of the M27 would be welcomed, but I can't see if happening now. Something around Stoneham was vaunted at the time of the St Mary's venture, but the club didn't go for it, so think we are entrenched in our current location now.
Batman Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Cannot see us building a new stadium what so ever. what a load of gash this suggestion is
CB Fry Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Cardiff City recently added over 5,000 seats and more corporate areas for £12m. If Saints added 13,000 to St Mary's it would be tiny in cost compared to building a completely new 45,000+ stadium. And he's off again.
krissyboy31 Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Didn't Cortese mention this as a possibility at some point? But I think the idea (if it existed) would have died with his removal,
alehouseboys Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 And he's off again. But...he is right. Obviously from my location something "our" side of the M27 would be welcomed, but I can't see if happening now. Something around Stoneham was vaunted at the time of the St Mary's venture, but the club didn't go for it, so think we are entrenched in our current location now. It never happened because of politics. 3 bodies owned different parts of the required land, Southampton City Council (Labour), Eastleigh Council (Libs) and HCC (Tory) were never going to agree. As much I was for it at the time as there was no alternative, thankfully it didn't and we ended up with a city centre stadium. And that's how I'd prefer it to stay.
CityRanger Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 The stadium should be in the city. Anything on the edges would be rubbish for the 'matchday experience' (no places to get smashed). Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk
Matthew Le God Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 (edited) He confirmed the price to extend St Mary's to 45K would be roughly the same as building a new Stadium from scratch. Cardiff City recently added over 5,000 seats and more corporate areas for £12m. If Saints added 13,000 to St Mary's it would be tiny in cost compared to building a completely new 45,000+ stadium. And he's off again. Do you disagree with what I said? I wasn't saying we should make St Mary's bigger or move to a new stadium, I was merely commenting that the cost to expand St Mary's would be significantly less that building a completely new stadium. But...he is right. Thank you. Edited 24 June, 2015 by Matthew Le God
Seaford Saint Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Do you disagree with what I said? I wasn't saying we should make St Mary's bigger or move to a new stadium, I was merely commenting that the cost to expand St Mary's would be significantly less that building a competently new stadium. Thank you. Keep posting MLG, I enjoy the information and observations you convey.
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I think we should of put the academy ect , on Jacksons farm. Then sold of the more valuable Marchwood/New forest land, to put towards the building of the academy there.
Highfield Saint Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Aziz, Take a few days and come back when you are more interesting. or not
Gemmel Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I think we should of put the academy ect , on Jacksons farm. Then sold of the more valuable Marchwood/New forest land, to put towards the building of the academy there. After we have just spent 40 million on it? jacksons Farm is greenbelt, so wouldnt be allowed to build on it anyway and a significant part of Marchwood is leased not owned.
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 (edited) After we have just spent 40 million on it? jacksons Farm is greenbelt, so wouldnt be allowed to build on it anyway and a significant part of Marchwood is leased not owned. Thats before we built it. And where Staplewood is, is greenbelt as well +(New Forest border). Plus that Housing estate thats next to it (Jacksons farm) was green belt too. Didn't stop them building there!! Edited 24 June, 2015 by SOTONS EAST SIDE
100%Red&White Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I think we should of put the academy ect , on Jacksons farm. Then sold of the more valuable Marchwood/New forest land, to put towards the building of the academy there. Too late now but the ideal place for the training ground/Academy would have been off of the M3 somewhere between Southampton and Winchester. It may have help attract better foreign players who seem to want to spend their riches and time in London, they could have lived 20-30 miles south of the capital and still be at the training ground within half hour in their Bentleys. Anyway, keep the stadium in the City Centre - 'Just In St Marys' - the J.I.S.M. campaign starts here
Daft Kerplunk Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Out of town stadiums should now clearly be seen as a dead concept. They 100% suck sewage
mulletsaint Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 After we have just spent 40 million on it? jacksons Farm is greenbelt, so wouldnt be allowed to build on it anyway and a significant part of Marchwood is leased not owned. Greenbelt stands for jack these days. Ask those who used to live on the edge of Basingstoke. Much of the farmland they used to look out over is now more houses, retail or business parks. The council have permission to build on the farm next to Roman Road in Winklebury now. With the Tories wanting to get the construction industry booming again at any costs, most attempts to build on greenbelt will happen.
Pastor Patrón Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Aziz, Take a few days and come back when you are more interesting. Or come back when St chalets more interesting if you really want to stretch your legs
CB Fry Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Do you disagree with what I said? I wasn't saying we should make St Mary's bigger or move to a new stadium, I was merely commenting that the cost to expand St Mary's would be significantly less that building a completely new stadium. The cost of taking the entire stadium and raising it 200 feet off the ground and constructing a set of water flumes cascading off the structure into the Itchen will cost more than building a small monkey petting zoo in the car park near the megastore. We won't be doing either of those, either.
The9 Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Cardiff City recently added over 5,000 seats and more corporate areas for £12m. If Saints added 13,000 to St Mary's it would be tiny in cost compared to building a completely new 45,000+ stadium. Except Cardiff's original plans were designed with a view to being able to extend - which is also how they managed to build the whole thing so quickly and cheaply. Saints would have to do a load of investigative work and basically go from scratch to add to the existing site. Meanwhile, paying for an entirely new stadium invokes all the economies of scale you don't get from adding to a 15 year old stadium. As it happens, we've all recently, and very clearly been told that IT IS NOT HAPPENING UNTIL WE SELL OUT ALL THE TIME, so if you could just give it a bloody rest, that would be super.
Redslo Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 The cost of taking the entire stadium and raising it 200 feet off the ground and constructing a set of water flumes cascading off the structure into the Itchen will cost more than building a small monkey petting zoo in the car park near the megastore. We won't be doing either of those, either. Global warming preparation?
SW5 SAINT Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I really don't get the idea that rebuilding St Mary's one side at a time, would cost more than developing a brand new stadium on a green field site. A recent example of a fairly new stadium is the Amex. I think the Amex cost around £100m to build, and that stadium is smaller than SMS......
Pastor Patrón Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Can anyone shed any light/credibility to this : I was speaking to a town and country planner 18 months ago who told me "off the record" that Saints had purchased a chunk of land near the M27 Junction 7... The land was purchased with the first stage of planning permission required to build a new stadium ... I have since lost contact with this person , but he was a genuine T&C planner , I know that for sure , and see no reason why he would make that up... Using good old Google earth I can see only one real viable chunk of land , and thats the land that has been used for exploratory drilling just next to link road from the junction to the transmitter roundabout.... anyone else heard anything similar ? I also spoke to someone who makes chunks of stadia for a living earlier this year and he confirmed the price to extend St Mary's to 45K would be roughly the same as building a new Stadium from scratch.... so who knows... maybe there is this secret plot in Hedge End !? Yes Saints bought some land and got outline planning permission for a new stadium and managed to keep it on the downlow. Despite planning involving public consultation. Your friend is full of sh#t
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Yes Saints bought some land and got outline planning permission for a new stadium and managed to keep it on the downlow. Despite planning involving public consultation. Your friend is full of sh#t Ah well, bullsh*tting is so widely spread now that it purports to almost anything. There only used to be 2 main reasons for it, getting someone to lend you money or get a chance at sha@gging some poor girl who was probably out of your league. Nowadays it's just a popular pastime because you've nothing else to do.
The9 Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Ah well, bullsh*tting is so widely spread now that it purports to almost anything. There only used to be 2 main reasons for it, getting someone to lend you money or get a chance at sha@gging some poor girl who was probably out of your league. Nowadays it's just a popular pastime because you've nothing else to do. "Nowadays"!!! I assure you the pointless lie was firmly ensconced in society by the time I got to junior school in the late 70s.
Dalek2003 Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 We should never have moved from The Dell in the first place.
Matthew Le God Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 We should never have moved from The Dell in the first place. Why The Dell and not the Antelope Ground or County Cricket Ground?
kwsaint Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I like SMS. I know that there was talk of the gravel plant across the road moving, but I have heard nothing recently. Opening up the waterfront would be excellent.
Gemmel Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Yes Saints bought some land and got outline planning permission for a new stadium and managed to keep it on the downlow. Despite planning involving public consultation. Your friend is full of sh#t Apart from the fact that Saints do own land out there and some posters on here were part of a feasibility study, that's a great post. Of course it will never happen, but the OP's premise wasn't a million miles away.
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