Which club is better: Liverpool, Tottenham, Southampton, or Swansea

[cellone]

Best team? Perhaps, but I firmly believe the league doesn't lie. Certainly our first XI is as good as any of those you've mentioned. However, all of us can point to games where we were "lucky" and got points over the season when we didn't deserve them. When it came to the games against Spurs and Liverpool, you can argue both of them were lucky in both games. I'd prefer to look at it that we weren't good enough on the day. Same with Swansea at home. If you don't take your chances, you don't deserve to win. 4pts from a possible 18 is all you need to look at there. People have talked about beating or getting something against the top 4 when it matters, something we have done well this season against Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea but forgot about the stats against those we are now competing against. Our results against Spurs since we came up has been woeful.

 

Club wise - that's so subjective its impossible to answer. Of course I think we are a better club but you cannot deny the history of Liverpool and Spurs and the emergence of Swansea - after all, they HAVE taken the next step and won a major trophy recently.

 

The way we have conducted ourselves on and off the field - whether the exciting football, the transfers, Koeman's (sometimes shocking) honesty in pre-match interviews, social media engagement, sponsors...its just made me proud to support this club. There is a massive degree of respect afforded to us now from rival fans of the bigger teams. I can't remember a time before where I expected us to go to Utd and Arsenal and win (neither did the bookies, which was great as well).

 

Whether Liverpool and Spurs like it or not, they are not part of that big four at the moment and doubt they will be for the foreseeable future. They are there with us and Swansea, Everton, West Ham and Stoke. Sure they are "Bigger" clubs, but I'd argue Leeds, Villa and Newcastle are a bigger clubs than us - what does that really count for nowadays? Would a player choose Leeds, Villa or Newcastle over us if terms were the same? Doubtful. Would the same player choose Spurs, Liverpool, Swansea over us, if the terms were the same now? Guess we'll find out with Clyne...but doubt the terms are the same...

 

Liverpool play off their history of being one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the most successful. They also have the increased financial clout to pay their players more (and lets be honest, somebody offers you twice as much to do the same job, you do it, you can't give people abuse for that). I'd argue a combined first X1 would have more Saints players then Liverpool's though - even with their new signings. We'd have the back 5 for starters.

 

Spurs are a huge club, helped by location and hindered by their crap ground and being in the shadow of their neighbours. You just need to look at their revenues to see how large they are. With Poch at the helm (we all know how good he is, despite our dislike) I think they'll be a threat for years to come. Their supporters crave success however, adding pressure for instant wins. Imagine being behind Portsmouth for as long as they have been behind Arsenal - you get delusions of being better than you actually are and an expectation that doesn't really have a lot to back it up. Combine the 1st XIs again however, and its pretty even. They just had a striker on fire and a creative player in Eriksson who went through a purple patch like our own Mane. The biggest difference between them and us was that they won when they didn't play well. And did that consistently. That's not really luck. That's being a better team.

 

I expect next season to be similar to this. The chance to break into the top four for all of us was this season with Utd's transition. Liverpool didn't replace Suarez and they won't replace Gerrard. They have no idea how to use Lallana and their defence is awful. They also have the most arrogant manager outside of Chelsea (and at least he can back it up). Stirling will go (I'm probably one of the few who don't see what the fuss is about anyway - that is no way a £50mil player) and they'll pay over the odds for somebody to replace him.

 

Be interesting to see if Kane can do it again for Spurs. Not 100% convinced by him or whether Spurs can create the chances for him again. Amazed nobody has come in for Erikson. They've got some good youngsters though and Poch will play them.

 

Noted that Europa League will be tough for us but if we qualify for group stages then see it as a chance for the Gallagher's of this world (after all, that's where Kane and Mason got their chances). I just can't see it as a bad thing. And Jesus, it has a Champions League place at the end of it. Never understood why teams spend all season trying to get to Europe and when they do it, just moan about it.

 

Swansea - massive dark horses and as good as all of us. Similar to us in the way its run (why did we let Cork go there?!) and fully expect them to be top 8 and challenging for top 5. Play the game right, run properly, great manager, buy well and growing year on year. Like us, squad a bit thin. Unlike us, don't have to worry about Europa.

 

Not sure I agree that Spurs and Liverpool have players who can do "better" than our own. Mane, Tadic, Pelle will all be better for a season in the prem, Reed, Sims, Hesketh, Targett have all been blooded, JWP needs a breakout year...we're in good shape.

 

Keep posting Redslo, glad Saints have struck a chord on the other side of the Atlantic.

Good post .

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

OK - I voted Saints because...

 

* They are the best at giving me enjoynment when they win (and depression when they lose).

* They are the best improved team in recent seasons.

* In recent years they have been the best team at developing new talent (though admittedly the other three haven't actually been too bad at doing so either). i.e. we have the best academy.

* They are the best run club.

* The question asks about them as a club, not which has the best performing team.

* Last season I actually think we did deserve to finish above the others in terms of performances when at our best - i.e. our best performances were better than the best performances of the other clubs and if we had maintained that without so many injuries we would have finished above the others.

* They have the best kit - all-white and all-red are just boring but put them together in the form of stripes and you have quality!

* Southampton is the longest single word in any of the club names.

* Historically we were set up with the most community-minded aims. Southampton St Marys was set up by the church to serve young men in the local community, whereas Spurs were set up for the kids of a grammar school bible class, Swansea were just set up for the sake of having a football team alongside their rugby team, while Liverpool were set up by the businessman who owned Anfield, which had previously been the home of Everton.

* Our club is in Southampton, whereas the others are not.

* Unlike the others, we don't have any stupid bird pictures on our club crest. We are the only club with a proper (slightly) historic, symbolic, meaningful club crest.

* We have the best manager.

* We have our own way of doing things which is distinct and better than the others - The Southampton Way.

[SNSUN]

Occasionally when I'm on Facebook, I'll accidentally "like" bikini shots of female friends I barely know. Completely by accident of course you understand, due to the sensitivity of touch screens, an easily clicked mouse and the like.

 

And so it seems with the poll above, that a lot of people have accidentally pushed the wrong options. I understand, it's easily done, and you're forgiven, but please be more careful when voting for something as important as the poll is above. Clearly the choice you all meant to make is "Saints", but those darn touch screens and sensitive mice seem to have thrown some of you...

 

[andoru]

Ask someone from Liverpool and he'll say Liverpool

Ask someone from north Londoner and he'll say Spurs or Man United.

Ask someone from Southampton and he'll say Saints or Man United.

Ask someone from Swansea and he'll say Swansea or Man United.

 

That's of course a generalisation, but should be fairly accurate.

 

Edited it for you. 'Small' clubs can't count on local support.

[Saint_Abroad]

No York City? Lame.

 

Up the Minstermen!

[SaintBobby]

Thanks for the poll. We know for sure the truth now.

[John B]

Liverpool with out doubt one of the most successful clubs over my lifetime with supporters everywhere

[CB Fry]

Thanks for the poll. We know for sure the truth now.

I only ever go on this forum through Tapatalk so never see the polls. So can someone update me on the results once we've had 100 or so votes?

 

I just need to know for sure empirically which club is the best.

[david in sweden]

You haven't been to a game. Stop asking questions!

 

don't get upset at some of these comments Redslo, it's just our English humour.....it doesn't well . After 30 years my (Swedish-born) family still can't get to grips with it.

 

Really enjoy your stats. btw.

[richard]

Not sure what Toby is going to do. Not a lot coming through at the moment. Think quite a few are interested in him but he might be on honeymoon.

 

This made me laugh, a lot. Thanks.

[david in sweden]

Not sure I agree that Spurs and Liverpool have players who can do "better" than our own. Mane, Tadic, Pelle will all be better for a season in the prem, Reed, Sims, Hesketh, Targett have all been blooded, JWP needs a breakout year...we're in good shape.

 

Keep posting Redslo, glad Saints have struck a chord on the other side of the Atlantic.

 

 

 

.......didn't re-print the whole of your epistle Latheal, but highlighted the last part.

 

I always wonder why the " football world " always consider players who cost an enormous fee as being " better " than those who were home-grown or cost a small fee.

Many times they show a great deal of inconsistancy, and the " big money " strikers rarely get more goals than the average .....

 

Looking at some of the players that Spuds bought from their windfall after the Bale transfer. I'd hide under my seat in embarrassment if I had to watch them every week.

In the end, they would have ended up mid-table last season, had it not been for Harry Kane. If he ever leaves Spuds, they will be in real trouble.

 

A list of Saints' top scorers over several decades show that almost all of them were either " youth products ", or cost a relatively small fee.

Buying people like Osvaldo and Ramirez rarely shows a good return on investment, and leaves us with big salaries for players who are frankly just a waste of space.

Edited 23 June, 2015 by david in sweden

[eddie]

Best team? Perhaps, but I firmly believe the league doesn't lie. Certainly our first XI is as good as any of those you've mentioned. However, all of us can point to games where we were "lucky" and got points over the season when we didn't deserve them. When it came to the games against Spurs and Liverpool, you can argue both of them were lucky in both games. I'd prefer to look at it that we weren't good enough on the day. Same with Swansea at home. If you don't take your chances, you don't deserve to win. 4pts from a possible 18 is all you need to look at there. People have talked about beating or getting something against the top 4 when it matters, something we have done well this season against Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea but forgot about the stats against those we are now competing against. Our results against Spurs since we came up has been woeful.

 

Club wise - that's so subjective its impossible to answer. Of course I think we are a better club but you cannot deny the history of Liverpool and Spurs and the emergence of Swansea - after all, they HAVE taken the next step and won a major trophy recently.

 

The way we have conducted ourselves on and off the field - whether the exciting football, the transfers, Koeman's (sometimes shocking) honesty in pre-match interviews, social media engagement, sponsors...its just made me proud to support this club. There is a massive degree of respect afforded to us now from rival fans of the bigger teams. I can't remember a time before where I expected us to go to Utd and Arsenal and win (neither did the bookies, which was great as well).

 

Whether Liverpool and Spurs like it or not, they are not part of that big four at the moment and doubt they will be for the foreseeable future. They are there with us and Swansea, Everton, West Ham and Stoke. Sure they are "Bigger" clubs, but I'd argue Leeds, Villa and Newcastle are a bigger clubs than us - what does that really count for nowadays? Would a player choose Leeds, Villa or Newcastle over us if terms were the same? Doubtful. Would the same player choose Spurs, Liverpool, Swansea over us, if the terms were the same now? Guess we'll find out with Clyne...but doubt the terms are the same...

 

Liverpool play off their history of being one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the most successful. They also have the increased financial clout to pay their players more (and lets be honest, somebody offers you twice as much to do the same job, you do it, you can't give people abuse for that). I'd argue a combined first X1 would have more Saints players then Liverpool's though - even with their new signings. We'd have the back 5 for starters.

 

Spurs are a huge club, helped by location and hindered by their crap ground and being in the shadow of their neighbours. You just need to look at their revenues to see how large they are. With Poch at the helm (we all know how good he is, despite our dislike) I think they'll be a threat for years to come. Their supporters crave success however, adding pressure for instant wins. Imagine being behind Portsmouth for as long as they have been behind Arsenal - you get delusions of being better than you actually are and an expectation that doesn't really have a lot to back it up. Combine the 1st XIs again however, and its pretty even. They just had a striker on fire and a creative player in Eriksson who went through a purple patch like our own Mane. The biggest difference between them and us was that they won when they didn't play well. And did that consistently. That's not really luck. That's being a better team.

 

I expect next season to be similar to this. The chance to break into the top four for all of us was this season with Utd's transition. Liverpool didn't replace Suarez and they won't replace Gerrard. They have no idea how to use Lallana and their defence is awful. They also have the most arrogant manager outside of Chelsea (and at least he can back it up). Stirling will go (I'm probably one of the few who don't see what the fuss is about anyway - that is no way a £50mil player) and they'll pay over the odds for somebody to replace him.

 

Be interesting to see if Kane can do it again for Spurs. Not 100% convinced by him or whether Spurs can create the chances for him again. Amazed nobody has come in for Erikson. They've got some good youngsters though and Poch will play them.

 

Noted that Europa League will be tough for us but if we qualify for group stages then see it as a chance for the Gallagher's of this world (after all, that's where Kane and Mason got their chances). I just can't see it as a bad thing. And Jesus, it has a Champions League place at the end of it. Never understood why teams spend all season trying to get to Europe and when they do it, just moan about it.

 

Swansea - massive dark horses and as good as all of us. Similar to us in the way its run (why did we let Cork go there?!) and fully expect them to be top 8 and challenging for top 5. Play the game right, run properly, great manager, buy well and growing year on year. Like us, squad a bit thin. Unlike us, don't have to worry about Europa.

 

Not sure I agree that Spurs and Liverpool have players who can do "better" than our own. Mane, Tadic, Pelle will all be better for a season in the prem, Reed, Sims, Hesketh, Targett have all been blooded, JWP needs a breakout year...we're in good shape.

 

Keep posting Redslo, glad Saints have struck a chord on the other side of the Atlantic.

 

succinct way of putting it

[LGTL]

What a stupid poll

 

I of course voted for Saints.

[cellone]

don't get upset at some of these comments Redslo, it's just our English humour.....it doesn't well . After 30 years my (Swedish-born) family still can't get to grips with it.

 

Really enjoy your stats. btw.

 

Think he knows that.

[the_emu]

Think he knows that.

After taking on Southamptons geographical elite and the God botherers in the same day Redslo is turning into a WUM to rival Turkish.

 

Keep up the good work!

[RoswellSaint]

Don't think he's ever even been to Southampton which frankly shows.

 

How does it show and why does it matter?

[RoswellSaint]

It was better when our colonial cousins stuck to rounders and the gay version of rugby.

 

Hilarious

[eddie]

No York City? Lame.

 

Up the Minstermen!

 

big time.

Been to see them a coupl' a times when I studied there. great atmosphere in the dave longhurst Stand where its standing only

[derry]

Best club. Southampton ( I'm biased) followed by Swansea. Why? because we behave best in the face of all the pressures of the Premier League. The Leibherr and Krueger leadership is classy, something the others haven't got. The scale of the growth of the club is way ahead of all the others. Liverpool, no thanks, unscrupulous with a vastly inflated opinion of its worth. Tottenham second to Liverpool. History is irrelevant because it's all about this season not about the past. It is also about the foundations for the future.

[hypochondriac]

How does it show and why does it matter?

 

Because only someone who has never been to England would ask a question like this, or use football manager to analyse wages for players or wholeheartedly support the Rooney rule for football imo.

[Saint Billy]

This poll is susceptible to a bit of biase voting me thinks.

[bender]

I'm thinking of starting up a thread. "Who do you like the most. Southampton FC or Portsmouth FC?"

[david in sweden]

I'm thinking of starting up a thread. "Who do you like the most. Southampton FC or Portsmouth FC?"

 

could be interesting .......to see if Pompey get more than 2%

[The9]

I expect next season to be similar to this. The chance to break into the top four for all of us was this season with Utd's transition. Liverpool didn't replace Suarez and they won't replace Gerrard. They have no idea how to use Lallana and their defence is awful. They also have the most arrogant manager outside of Chelsea (and at least he can back it up). Sterling will go (I'm probably one of the few who don't see what the fuss is about anyway - that is no way a £50mil player) and they'll pay over the odds for somebody to replace him.

 

I sifted, and I have to say if you think Liverpool's relatively poor performance last season was down to anything other than

 

1) Sturridge being injured for almost the entire season

2) Steven Gerrard being absolute gash but being indulged by Rodgers on some weird losing retirement tour for reasons which remain unclear

3) Lovren and Skrtel not being able to play together in defence

 

...you're nuts.

 

In summary, two of the things you've identified as massive problems for them are already resolved. Sturridge being back goes a long way to solving the Suarez problem - he was irreplaceable but losing him AND Sturridge gave them no chance for ages, and Gerrard was part of the problem and his absence is already part of the solution. Apart from anything if they sign a centre back they can play Can in his actual position in midfield. They do need a centre back though, and more depth up front. Still not sure why Mignolet has been getting pelters, when he's got nothing in front of him and has just been completely exposed by rubbish defending rather than being actually bad.

[The9]

Because only someone who has never been to England would ask a question like this, or use football manager to analyse wages for players or wholeheartedly support the Rooney rule for football imo.

 

Except... he didn't ask for the poll, one of the worst abusers of FM stats around is Southampton-based, and there are Rooney rule supporters everywhere (albeit, I think, misguided).

[Crab Lungs]

We spent longer than any of those clubs in the top four and had a better goal difference... though they finished above us marginally, so it could be arguable that we had a better season and didn't deserve to finish behind Spurs, Liverpool.

 

However, they finished with more points and that is sadly all that matters.

[S-Clarke]

We spent longer than any of those clubs in the top four and had a better goal difference... though they finished above us marginally, so it could be arguable that we had a better season and didn't deserve to finish behind Spurs, Liverpool.

 

However, they finished with more points and that is sadly all that matters.

 

They got those extra points as a belated Christmas present from Kevin Friend.

[Crab Lungs]

They got those extra points as a belated Christmas present from Kevin Friend.

 

And that p1sses me off too, it does. If you went on Top 4 longevity, it was us, fourth, just. Its just a shame we tapered off in the end

[Mowgli]

Bigger or better? Club or team? Better club is easy to answer - Saints (why would a biased saints fan say otherwise). Better team is a close call between Swansea and Saints who have both proved that teamwork developed over a period of time is better than blowing millions on so called superstars.

 

Bigger club and bigger team will obviously lean toward Liverpool and Spurs but they are massively underperforming because of Rogers and Levy respectively.

 

But as I've said before that is just my opinion and I respect other views without feeling the need to suggest they are wrong

[Ohio Saint]

Redslo is a sexy female lawyer atheist Saints supporter. Most of those statements are fact! As I am, myself some of those things, I will obliviously tend to agree with anything he votes for on the grounds of common sense. Thank evolution for consensus!

[Joneth]

Travel back in time 5 years and read the title of this thread. ?

[CB Fry]

Travel back in time 5 years and read the title of this thread. ?

Try one year.

[hypochondriac]

Try one year.

 

Try yesterday.

[Batman]

we were once the best club outside of the top 4...when in division 3.....

 

those were good times

[Turkish]

we were once the best club outside of the top 4...when in division 3.....

 

those were good times

 

Those were the real glory days. We had a team that was better than England, the new Alex Ferguson in charge and the most attractive team outside of the top four who were on an unstoppable march to the champions league in a 50,000 stadium all this whilst in league one.

[Batman]

Those were the real glory days. We had a team that was better than England, the new Alex Ferguson in charge and the most attractive team outside of the top four who were on an unstoppable march to the champions league in a 50,000 stadium all this whilst in league one.

 

remember, we had England's 2nd choice keeper playing for us (but consistently over looked)

[aintforever]

This read is ****ing embarrassing, we did not even finish above Spurs or Liverpool in the league, **** knows what criteria you dimwits are using to decide who is the better club. Even Swansea have won a major trophy in recent memory which is more than us.

[RoswellSaint]

Because only someone who has never been to England would ask a question like this, or use football manager to analyse wages for players or wholeheartedly support the Rooney rule for football imo.

 

Didn't he say it was a sarcastic response to the debate that has gone on, on various threads, around this very question? The9 has provided a good response too. I was worried it was a reference to some people's view that you can't be a real fan if you haven't been to/weren't born in/haven't lived in Southampton. Or because you got in a spat with him about religion.

 

Redslo comes across as reasonable poster who argues his case well and doesn't resort to insults.

[Redslo]

Because only someone who has never been to England would ask a question like this, or use football manager to analyse wages for players or wholeheartedly support the Rooney rule for football imo.

 

1) The initial question was a joke question. I did not add the poll. If you are saying only someone who has never been to England would tell a joke I must disagree for two reasons. First, I vaguely recall seeing English people telling jokes on TV and, second, I have been to England (but not Southampton).

 

2) My recent post of Football Manager wages for the Premier League on my blog did not actually analyze anything. And I made clear the source of the information. Moreover, so long as you are aware of the limitations on your information there is nothing wrong with using FM to analyze football wages. In fact, it is likely the best available source for people without inside information.

 

3) If you read my blog in which I suggest the use of the Rooney rule, you would know that I did not "wholeheartedly support" it and instead recommended a modified version. Since I have been to England and since other people who are actually from England have also endorsed the use of the Rooney rule, this claim was sell evidently false. In my view, people who oppose the Rooney rule tend to not actually understand what it involves, favor continued racial discrimination, or think it won't work. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, why do you believe a modified version of the Rooney rule won't work in English football?

 

Here is a link to my blog post in which I support the Rooney rule:

 

http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/2014/11/racism-in-english-football-and-rooney.html

 

I wonder if this post will derail my own inherently derailed thread?

 

I'm thinking of starting up a thread. "Who do you like the most. Southampton FC or Portsmouth FC?"

 

Go for it. It would probably bring out the Portsmouth fans to stuff the ballot box.

 

I sifted, and I have to say if you think Liverpool's relatively poor performance last season was down to anything other than

 

1) Sturridge being injured for almost the entire season

2) Steven Gerrard being absolute gash but being indulged by Rodgers on some weird losing retirement tour for reasons which remain unclear

3) Lovren and Skrtel not being able to play together in defence

 

...you're nuts.

 

In summary, two of the things you've identified as massive problems for them are already resolved. Sturridge being back goes a long way to solving the Suarez problem - he was irreplaceable but losing him AND Sturridge gave them no chance for ages, and Gerrard was part of the problem and his absence is already part of the solution. Apart from anything if they sign a centre back they can play Can in his actual position in midfield. They do need a centre back though, and more depth up front. Still not sure why Mignolet has been getting pelters, when he's got nothing in front of him and has just been completely exposed by rubbish defending rather than being actually bad.

 

Unfortunately, I agree--although I do hold out hope that Rodgers will make more bad transfer decisions.

 

Redslo is a sexy female lawyer atheist Saints supporter. Most of those statements are fact! As I am, myself some of those things, I will obliviously tend to agree with anything he votes for on the grounds of common sense. Thank evolution for consensus!

 

Three out of five is not bad.

 

Travel back in time 5 years and read the title of this thread.

 

When I travel back in time five years I will have better things to do. Or rather I did have better things to do.

[simo]

Is it a trick question? Why would I say anything other than saints?

[hypochondriac]

Except... he didn't ask for the poll, one of the worst abusers of FM stats around is Southampton-based, and there are Rooney rule supporters everywhere (albeit, I think, misguided).

 

MLG isn't exactly normal.

[The9]

MLG isn't exactly normal.

 

You don't say.

[The9]

Is it a trick question? Why would I say anything other than saints?

 

Because the trick is that we're not the best by any criteria other than "we like them most", I think. I lost track of the irony and who was posturing on what about 3 days ago.

[Redslo]

Because the trick is that we're not the best by any criteria other than "we like them most", I think. I lost track of the irony and who was posturing on what about 3 days ago.

 

Shall I start a new thread, with a poll, on this subject.

[cellone]

Shall I start a new thread, with a poll, on this subject.

 

Haha. Do it. No don't. No fk it do it.

[Ludwig]

MLG isn't exactly normal.

 

 

Are you normal? If so, most abnormal people would be happy not to fit the norm.

[Latheal]

.......didn't re-print the whole of your epistle Latheal, but highlighted the last part.

 

I always wonder why the " football world " always consider players who cost an enormous fee as being " better " than those who were home-grown or cost a small fee.

Many times they show a great deal of inconsistancy, and the " big money " strikers rarely get more goals than the average .....

 

Looking at some of the players that Spuds bought from their windfall after the Bale transfer. I'd hide under my seat in embarrassment if I had to watch them every week.

In the end, they would have ended up mid-table last season, had it not been for Harry Kane. If he ever leaves Spuds, they will be in real trouble.

QUOTE]

 

I sometimes go overboard on the length!

 

Too true though. Does amaze me how enormous fee players are always "better". Think Carol and Soldado would have shown that not the case. Squad depth is the main thing for me - happy for Clyne and Morgan to go, as long as replaced well and with more numbers. The club deserves our trust after last year.

 

Some extra shooting practise wouldn't go amiss either.

[Latheal]

I sifted, and I have to say if you think Liverpool's relatively poor performance last season was down to anything other than

 

1) Sturridge being injured for almost the entire season

2) Steven Gerrard being absolute gash but being indulged by Rodgers on some weird losing retirement tour for reasons which remain unclear

3) Lovren and Skrtel not being able to play together in defence

 

...you're nuts.

 

.

 

Fair enough, I'm nuts. To me, their problems are far more than those three things but its only my opinion.

[Joesaint]

The best club... Well I am from, and live in Southampton. I am a Saints fan, I love supporting saints and go to games when possible. For me, Saints are the best club by far, the enjoyment I get from our team is great, especially recently. I think we also have a great owner, and team who run the club. southampton is a family club really, who invest in youth and believe in the sportsmanship side of the game, which I also believe the fans do to.

 

Coys

[davefizzy14]

Top 4 material this season is Saints don't ya know. A fit Tadic is going to totally rip up this league.

 

Fully agree, Tadic will tear teams apart with his majestic ability.