The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 For those still having trouble : We're a seed, can only play unseeded teams in our pot. They are: 7 Vitesse 8 Sturm Graz 9 Charleroi (who are 5-1 up against Beitar) 10 Vojvodina (3 up against Spartaks Jūrmala) 11 Odd (2-0 up against Shamrock Rovers away) 12 Kukësi / Podgorica (Pods are 1-0 up away). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Question for The9.... IF we get through this stage and into the final play-off round, does this Group 3 have any relevance in the draw for that round? Or is it a completely separate draw again where we could get anyone? Apologies if this has already been mentioned before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Is there an actual reason why they put teams in pots ahead of the draw or is this just UEFA bloating the draw process in an attempt to make it more 'exciting' than it actually is? (Yes, that probably is a rhetorical question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 What time is the draw today? And yes, I am sure it is mentioned earlier somewhere in the proceeding half dozen pages, but I won't be the only one after this info, and I am sure some kind person won't mind reiterating this info. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 What time is the draw today? And yes, I am sure it is mentioned earlier somewhere in the proceeding half dozen pages, but I won't be the only one after this info, and I am sure some kind person won't mind reiterating this info. Thanks! Almost certainly noon (UK time). Outside chance it is actually at 1pm though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 What time is the draw today? And yes, I am sure it is mentioned earlier somewhere in the proceeding half dozen pages, but I won't be the only one after this info, and I am sure some kind person won't mind reiterating this info. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 ahh super, for some reason I was under the impression it was this evening. Not long to wait then! Cheers Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Almost certainly noon (UK time). Outside chance it is actually at 1pm though. The subsequent post says CET so that would be 12 noon for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Kukesi would be fun! Middle of nowhere Albania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Kukesi would be fun! Middle of nowhere Albania. Our luck its off to Albania then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Vojvodina on the 30th please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Kukesi would be fun! Middle of nowhere Albania. Yeah, just looking at that now, proper nightmare travel wise! Fairly tough group all told, some potential long old trips (kuckesi) and potentially tough games (Vitesse and Graz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 There are some potentially tough games in that group, for a qualifying round, if we are looking to progress rather than just go on a beano. I hope we avoid Vitesse, I think that could be a bridge too far this early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 I go to France the day after the 1st leg and I'm in France for the 2nd leg so Charleroi away for the 2nd leg could be doable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Vojvodina on the 30th please. Located in 'Novi Sad' a mere 50m drive from Nikola Tesla Airport, Belgrade. Easy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 IF we get through this stage and into the final play-off round, does this Group 3 have any relevance in the draw for that round? Or is it a completely separate draw again where we could get anyone? It's a separate draw for that round, there's less chance of us being seeded in that stage unless there are a few shocks in the third qualifying round or there are no shocks at all in the Champions League 3rd qualifying round - losers from that get parachuted into the Playoff round for the Europa League. The draw for that one is a "proper" draw, I think, so there's no pre-drawing of pots to make it quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 I've been to Novi Sad, it's Serbia's '2nd city' and a lovely place. Went there in 2009 for a music festival. I don't know what flights are like these days but they weren't cheap back then. We had to fly with Lufthansa via Germany to get them cheap(ish), about £180. Would be a cracking place for an away trip. Cheap beer being a big plus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 The subsequent post says CET so that would be 12 noon for us. Nyon is currently on CET+1hr which is where the confusion is coming in. The time they're giving isn't the current timezone in the place the draw is coming from (unless of course they actually mean 1300 CET+1)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Is there an actual reason why they put teams in pots ahead of the draw or is this just UEFA bloating the draw process in an attempt to make it more 'exciting' than it actually is? (Yes, that probably is a rhetorical question) It's so they can draw 48 matches by pulling 12 balls out, and remove the problems of having teams from the same country who aren't allowed to be drawn together without faffery. So it's actually to speed up the draw, not to complicate it. It also helps people planning travel to cut down their options, but frankly I don't have time in the 4 hours available to check even the LIKELY options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 It's a separate draw for that round, there's less chance of us being seeded in that stage unless there are a few shocks in the third qualifying round or there are no shocks at all in the Champions League 3rd qualifying round - losers from that get parachuted into the Playoff round for the Europa League. The draw for that one is a "proper" draw, I think, so there's no pre-drawing of pots to make it quicker. thank you Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Question for The9.... IF we get through this stage and into the final play-off round, does this Group 3 have any relevance in the draw for that round? Or is it a completely separate draw again where we could get anyone? Apologies if this has already been mentioned before! This one's been answered already since you asked, but it's irrelevant to other draws. The only relevant factor is who is seeded, and that will change as the Champions League losers drop in with their (usually) higher UEFA Club Coefficients. It's why Saints are seeded now but probably won't be in the next round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Anyway, I'm going back to planning travel options to one of about 7 possible places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Anyway, I'm going back to planning travel options to one of about 7 possible places. Why don't wait until after the draw is that too boring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Nyon is currently on CET+1hr which is where the confusion is coming in. The time they're giving isn't the current timezone in the place the draw is coming from (unless of course they actually mean 1300 CET+1)... Ok, thanks for clearing that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Group 3 unseeded teams seem the toughest pot. Got to be hoping for Odd IMO. At the end of the day, with the PL starting, we want the easiest possible route. This.....flights to Oslo Torp from Gatwick with Norwegian won't be ridiculously expensive either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 we will get Charleroi. I know this because I am in Israel on the 6th August, so you can bet you bottom dollar we will get the winner of their tie with Beitar Jeruselum, and as they are 5-1 up, its a foregone conclusion. So near, yet so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 As at 11:05 here in UK! Nyon Municipality in Switzerland Nyon is a municipality in the district of Nyon in the canton of Vaud in Switzerland. It is located some 25 kilometers north east of Geneva's city centre, and since the 1970s it has become part of the Geneva metropolitan area. Wikipedia Area: 6.82 km² Weather: 32°C, Wind S at 6 mph (10 km/h), 41% Humidity Getting there: 1 h 25 min flight, around £150. View flights Local time: Friday 12:05 Population: 18,269 (Dec 31, 2008) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 It's a separate draw for that round, there's less chance of us being seeded in that stage unless there are a few shocks in the third qualifying round or there are no shocks at all in the Champions League 3rd qualifying round - losers from that get parachuted into the Playoff round for the Europa League. The draw for that one is a "proper" draw, I think, so there's no pre-drawing of pots to make it quicker. Really? I'd say there's a very good chance we're seeded for the 4th round, should we qualify. Hull were seeded relatively comfortably last season, if with all the teams knocked out of the CL qualifying rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Quick summary of my travel findings so far. Charleroi, easy, loads of methods. Arnhem - not much more difficult, just a bit further than Charleroi. Odd (in Skien, Norway), not too bad actually. Vojvodina - a little tricky. Graz - surprisingly awkward (or expensive) Podgorica - there are not enough swears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2016/draws/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Really? I'd say there's a very good chance we're seeded for the 4th round should we qualify. There's not a very good chance at all. There is a small chance. There are 15 Champions League teams to drop in, almost all of which have better coefficients than Saints, who at the moment are the 16th ranked team. There are only 22 seeds in the next round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 There's not a very good chance at all. There is a small chance. There are 15 Champions League teams to drop in, almost all of which have better coefficients than Saints, who at the moment are the 16th ranked team. There are only 22 seeds in the next round. Do you have their coefficients (teams currently participating in the CL qualifying rounds)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 (edited) While we are waiting, here are the highlights of the only previous European cup tie at St. Mary's. Edited 17 July, 2015 by Saint-Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 As at 11:05 here in UK! Nyon Municipality in Switzerland Nyon is a municipality in the district of Nyon in the canton of Vaud in Switzerland. It is located some 25 kilometers north east of Geneva's city centre, and since the 1970s it has become part of the Geneva metropolitan area. Wikipedia Area: 6.82 km² Weather: 32°C, Wind S at 6 mph (10 km/h), 41% Humidity Getting there: 1 h 25 min flight, around £150. View flights Local time: Friday 12:05 Population: 18,269 (Dec 31, 2008) We know there's an hour difference, the issue is that CET is the same as BST. The timezone given by UEFA is not the current timezone in Nyon, which is on CET+1. I am assuming UEFA has forgotten about daylight savings, and means 1300 CET+1 as in Nyon at the moment, not 1300 CET, which is noon British Summer Time. The fact the draw video has cued and it's only 11:30 suggests noon to me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Do you have their coefficients (teams currently participating in the CL qualifying rounds)? Yup. But we don't know which 15 teams they will be yet, because only 13 teams have qualified for CL 3rd QR already. Which is why when Steve has clarified this before he's talked about us needing Champions League results to go with coefficient and Europa League results to go against coefficient - that leaves CL teams with worse ratings in the EL, and EL teams with worse ratings in EL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Yup. But we don't know which 15 teams they will be yet, because only 13 teams have qualified for CL 3rd QR already. Which is why when Steve has clarified this before he's talked about us needing Champions League results to go with coefficient and Europa League results to go against coefficient - that leaves CL teams with worse ratings in the EL, and EL teams with worse ratings in EL. I appreciate that; rather I wanted to see the pool from which the 15 would be chosen. Does our coefficient improve if we win our third round match; and conversely does the coefficient of those knocked out of the CL QR worsen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Is there a press conference after ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Is there a press conference after ?Think theres a pre-match presser 3ish today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE Coefficients... Teams with higher coefficient than Saints only listed. Third qualifying round (draw 17 July) Champions route FC Basel 1893 (SUI) 84.875 FC Salzburg (AUT) 43.135 FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) 41.825 17 second qualifying round winners tbc League route FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 86.033 AFC Ajax (NED) 66.195 PFC CSKA Moskva (RUS) 55.599 Club Brugge KV (BEL) 41.440 AS Monaco FC (FRA) 31.483 BSC Young Boys (SUI) 31.375 AC Sparta Praha (CZE) 30.825 Fenerbahçe SK (TUR) 30.020 Panathinaikos FC (GRE) 19.880 SK Rapid Wien (AUT) 15.635 Second qualifying round (draw 22 June) FC Steaua Bucureşti (ROU) 40.259 Celtic FC (SCO) 39.080 APOEL FC (CYP) 35.460 FC BATE Borisov (BLR) 35.150 PFC Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL) 25.250 GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) 24.700 NK Maribor (SVN) 22.225 Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) 18.200 KKS Lech Poznań (POL) 17.300 These teams are still in 2nd QR - higher coefficient than Saints in bold. Hibernians Malta Match 1 Israel Maccabi Tel Aviv 2–1 21 Jul APOEL Cyprus Match 2 Republic of Macedonia Vardar 0–0 21 Jul Qarabağ Azerbaijan Match 3 Montenegro Rudar Pljevlja 0–0 22 Jul Sarajevo Bosnia and Herzegovina Match 4 Poland Lech Poznań 0–2 22 Jul Maribor Slovenia Match 5 Kazakhstan Astana 1–0 22 Jul BATE Borisov Belarus Match 6 Republic of Ireland Dundalk 2–1 22 Jul Ventspils Latvia Match 7[A] Finland HJK 1–3 21 Jul Midtjylland Denmark Match 8 Gibraltar Lincoln Red Imps 1–0 21 Jul Molde Norway Match 9 Armenia Pyunik 5–0 21 Jul Malmö FF Sweden Match 10 Lithuania Žalgiris Vilnius 0–0 21 Jul Celtic Scotland Match 11 Iceland Stjarnan 2–0 22 Jul Trenčín Slovakia Match 12 Romania Steaua București 0–2 22 Jul Partizan Serbia Match 13 Georgia (country) Dila Gori 1–0 21 Jul Ludogorets Razgrad Bulgaria Match 14 Moldova Milsami Orhei 0–1 21 Jul Dinamo Zagreb Croatia Match 15[A] Luxembourg Fola Esch 1–1 22 Jul Skënderbeu Korçë Albania Match 16 Northern Ireland Crusaders 4–1 21 Jul The New Saints Wales Match 17 Hungary Videoton 0–1 22 Jul These teams are in 3rd QR already - higher coefficient than Saints in bold Winners of Match 4 Switzerland Basel 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 14 Winners of Match 16 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 7 Winners of Match 5 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 11 Winners of Match 3 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 12 Winners of Match 13 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 8 Winners of Match 2 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 1 Czech Republic Viktoria Plzeň 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 15 Winners of Match 9 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Winners of Match 17 Winners of Match 6 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Red Bull Salzburg Austria Winners of Match 10 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug League Route Panathinaikos Greece Belgium Club Brugge 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Young Boys Switzerland France Monaco 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug CSKA Moscow Russia Czech Republic Sparta Prague 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Rapid Wien Austria Netherlands Ajax 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug Fenerbahçe Turkey Ukraine Shakhtar Donetsk 28–29 Jul 4–5 Aug We're currently 16th ranked of the EL seeds. Top 22 seeded for PlayOff Round. Every team except Rapid going via the league route has a better coefficient, so there are 4 guaranteed to outrank us already, no matter who goes through, so we're currently 20th, needing to be in the top 22. Added to that will be another 10 teams from the CL losers (non League Route) - 9 of those teams outrank us and only 2 of them are losing after the first leg with one drawing - and possibly one from the Champions Route if Rapid win. This could be offset by unseeded teams beating seeds in the EL. So, as Steve said, we need Champions League to go to form and upsets in the Europa (apart from us!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Quick summary of my travel findings so far. Charleroi, easy, loads of methods. Arnhem - not much more difficult, just a bit further than Charleroi. Odd (in Skien, Norway), not too bad actually. Vojvodina - a little tricky. Graz - surprisingly awkward (or expensive) Podgorica - there are not enough swears. The number of tickets available to away fans might be an issue for the two easiest grounds to get to. Charleroi is now just a 14k stadium and Vitesse only offer about 1200 tickets for away fans normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2016/draws/round=2000632/index.html live now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 I appreciate that; rather I wanted to see the pool from which the 15 would be chosen. Does our coefficient improve if we win our third round match; and conversely does the coefficient of those knocked out of the CL QR worsen? No. They are fixed pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Quick summary of my travel findings so far. Charleroi, easy, loads of methods. Arnhem - not much more difficult, just a bit further than Charleroi. Odd (in Skien, Norway), not too bad actually. Vojvodina - a little tricky. Graz - surprisingly awkward (or expensive) Podgorica - there are not enough swears. Podgorica aint too bad, its Kukesi that is the really tough one. Anyone got a link to the live draw, can't find it on uefa website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthemarch Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 all the potential opponents have pretty small grounds if we go Dutch/Belgium/Austrian I can see demand being high How do you think tickets will be allocated - a free for all among season ticket holders or based on last year's away games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 James Beattie from Way out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2016/draws/round=2000632/index.html live now That's the Champions League draw (at noon "definitely not CET"). Ours is therefore at 1pm "definitely not CET"). So 1pm BST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2016/draws/round=2000632/index.html live now Great, starting with the Champions League. #sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Podgorica aint too bad, its Kukesi that is the really tough one. Anyone got a link to the live draw, can't find it on uefa website? Dont worry, found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 July, 2015 Share Posted 17 July, 2015 Anyone remember how many we took to Bucharest and whether we sold out the allocation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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