stevegrant Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Partizan have just missed a penalty against Steaua, need two to turn that one around with extra time no longer possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Partizan have just missed a penalty against Steaua, need two to turn that one around with extra time no longer possible. Steaua are down to 9 men with 35 minutes left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Steaua have also had a man sent off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 (edited) Were there coefficients in 2006? Yes. They've used them since 1979 for seedings in UEFA competitions- on and off (in the UEFA Cup from '94-'98 for instance, but not in 2003/4 which is one of the reasons we drew Steaua in the first round). West Ham's in 2006/7 was 3.325: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/tcoef2007.html Our last one (2003/4 obvs) was 4.7125 - but that's irrelevant as West Ham win IF they count backwards, and we at best draw if the cut off is the last 5 years used to calculate coefficients. Edited 5 August, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Partizan equalise... still half an hour left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Steaua are down to 9 men with 35 minutes left According to my app. But bbc has only 1 red. Now 2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Malmo have just had a player sent off, so Red Bull Salzburg are back in with a shout, only need 1 goal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Jeez what a stupid red card that was for Malmoe - even if I'm Swedish I wish red bull scores now ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Steaua goal....offside. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Partisan lead and surely will win. Only 1/3 of tonights results going our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 So, could be Steaua dropping in (as a seed, potentially with us not seeded)... what could possibloy go rong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 (edited) So, could be Steaua dropping in (as a seed, potentially with us not seeded)... what could possibloy go rong? Well....... Edited 5 August, 2015 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Partisan lead and surely will win. Only 1/3 of tonights results going our way. One of them already in the bag though, so 2/4. Which is about what I expected. Would leave us needing 4 upsets from the 15 games tomorrow (Vojvodina is all but done, so 3 really) and Astra beating West Ham being one of the more important ones with the uncertainty around their ranking compared to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Well....... You may also note "possibloy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 One of them already in the bag though, so 2/4. Which is about what I expected. Would leave us needing 4 upsets from the 15 games tomorrow (Vojvodina is all but done, so 3 really) and Astra beating West Ham being one of the more important ones with the uncertainty around their ranking compared to us. If we need 3 upsets its pretty tough judging on the first leg scores. At this stage would be more like 40-60 to be seeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 How many unseeded teams will he in the draw compared to seeded? I.e what odds of getting an unseeded team if we're also unseeded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 How many unseeded teams will he in the draw compared to seeded? I.e what odds of getting an unseeded team if we're also unseeded? It's a 50:50 split, one seeded team gets paired against an unseeded team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Game over, 4-2 Partizan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Partizan 4-2. Thats Steaua into the Europa then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 How many unseeded teams will he in the draw compared to seeded? I.e what odds of getting an unseeded team if we're also unseeded? 22 seeds and 22 unseeded. Even if we're unseeded, some of the seeds are still going to be worse teams than us, but not being seeded runs the risk of us drawing one of the 5 or so sides who'll really be difficult opponents (eg Dortmund, Athletic Bilbao) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 We will get west ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 We will get west ham Cant draw a team from the same country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 We will get west ham We can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Malmo - Salzburg game over. Another that didn't go our way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 We will get west ham We can't get West Ham. Teams from the same country can't be drawn against each other until at least the last... 16 I think it is. After Christmas anyway. We can't get Spurs or Liverpool if we make the group stages either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 So we need 3 (or 4 depending on West Ham) results to go our way tomorrow. Dinamo Minsk if they beat FC Zurich (Minsk 1-0 up with home leg to play) İstanbul Başakşehir if they beat AZ Alkmaar (Alkmaar 2-0 up with away leg to play) AEK Larnaca if they beat Bordeaux (Bordeaux 3-0 up with away to play) Spartak Trnava if they beat PAOK (PAOK 1-0 up with away to play) Târgu Mureș if they beat St Etienne (St Etienne 3-0 up with home to play, forget this!) Jablonec if they beat FC Copenhagen (Copenhagen 1-0 up with home to play) Vojvodina if they beat Sampdoria (Vojvodina 4-0 up with home to play, mental, but that's all but +1) Kukësi if they beat Legia Warsaw (Legia 3-0 up - awarded, with home to play, forget this one) Sturm Graz if they beat Rubin Kazan (Rubin 3-2 up with home to play) Ironi Kiryat Shmona if they beat Slovan Liberec (Liberec 2-1 up with away to play) Wolfsberger if they beat Borussia Dortmund (Dortmund 1-0 up with home to play) Željezničar if they beat Standard Liege (Liege 2-1 up with away to play) Inter Baku if they beat Athletic Bilbao (At. Bilbao 2-0 up with away to play) Rabotnički if they beat Trabzonspor (Rabotnicki 1-0 up with away to play) Rheindorf Altach if they beat Vitoria Guimaraes (Altach 2-1 up with away to play) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 (edited) Another update re: seeding after a not-that great night for Saints. There will be 15 CL 3rd QR losers and 29 EL 3rd QR winners in the PO Round. The following teams will definitely be ranked below Saints in the Europa League Play Off Round (ELPOR), if there are 22 of them, Saints will be seeded. Confirmed: 1. Kairat OR Aberdeen 2. Žilina OR Vorskla Poltava 3. Debrecen OR Rosenborg 4. Thun OR Vaduz 5. Belenenses OR IFK Göteborg 6. Charleroi OR Zorya Luhansk 7. Elfsborg OR Odds 8. Apollon Limassol OR Gabala 9. AIK OR Atromitos 10. Brøndby OR Omonia Nicosia 11. Hajduk Split OR Strømsgodset 12. Krasnodar OR Slovan Bratislava 13. Milsami Orhei OR Skënderbeu Korçë 14. HJK Finland OR Astana 15. Midtjylland (lost to APOEL in CL 3QR) 16. Molde (lost to Dinamo Zagreb in CL 3QR) 17. Qarabag (lost to Celtic in CL 3QR) 18. Videoton (lost to BATE in CL 3QR) So we need another 4 results to go in our favour from the following matches, with the teams in the left column in the list below winning. Leading sides with a lower coefficient than Saints in bold. Dinamo Minsk if they beat FC Zurich (Minsk 1-0 up with home leg to play) İstanbul Başakşehir if they beat AZ Alkmaar (Alkmaar 2-0 up with away leg to play) AEK Larnaca if they beat Bordeaux (Bordeaux 3-0 up with away to play) Spartak Trnava if they beat PAOK (PAOK 1-0 up with away to play) Târgu Mureș if they beat St Etienne (St Etienne 3-0 up with home to play, forget this!) Jablonec if they beat FC Copenhagen (Copenhagen 1-0 up with home to play) Vojvodina if they beat Sampdoria (Vojvodina 4-0 up with home to play, mental, but that's all but +1) Kukësi if they beat Legia Warsaw (Legia 3-0 up - awarded, with home to play, forget this one) Sturm Graz if they beat Rubin Kazan (Rubin 3-2 up with home to play) Ironi Kiryat Shmona if they beat Slovan Liberec (Liberec 2-1 up with away to play) Wolfsberger if they beat Borussia Dortmund (Dortmund 1-0 up with home to play) Željezničar if they beat Standard Liege (Liege 2-1 up with away to play) Inter Baku if they beat Athletic Bilbao (At. Bilbao 2-0 up with away to play) Rabotnički if they beat Trabzonspor (Rabotnicki 1-0 up with away to play) Rheindorf Altach if they beat Vitoria Guimaraes (Altach 2-1 up with away to play) Astra if they beat West Ham (2-2 with home to play) - though West Ham have the same ranking as Saints they may be ranked higher on coefficient countback. Edited 5 August, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 We need 4 upsets to be sure. Can't see it myself, reckon we will end up as the best of the unseeded, not that it makes any difference. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 So after tonight's Champions League ties, these are the teams that lost and drop down into the Europa League play-off round. Teams with a higher co-efficient than Saints (16.078) Ajax (66.195) Red Bull Salzburg (43.135) Viktoria Plzen (41.825) Steaua Bucharest (40.259) Young Boys (31.375) Sparta Prague (30.825) Fenerbahce (30.020) Panathinaikos (19.880) Lech Poznan (17.300) And teams with a lower co-efficient Qarabag (11.500) HJK (11.140) Molde (10.375) Midtjylland (7.960) Videoton (7.950) Milsami Orhei (3.750) At the moment, if all the Europa League ties continue like they did in the first leg, we would be 21st out of the 44 teams so would be a top seed, but it really is touch and go at the moment. There were a few upsets in the Champions League so hopefully that will continue tomorrow in the Europa League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adysaint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 So we need 3 (or 4 depending on West Ham) results to go our way tomorrow. Dinamo Minsk if they beat FC Zurich (Minsk 1-0 up with home leg to play) İstanbul Başakşehir if they beat AZ Alkmaar (Alkmaar 2-0 up with away leg to play) AEK Larnaca if they beat Bordeaux (Bordeaux 3-0 up with away to play) Spartak Trnava if they beat PAOK (PAOK 1-0 up with away to play) Târgu Mureș if they beat St Etienne (St Etienne 3-0 up with home to play, forget this!) Jablonec if they beat FC Copenhagen (Copenhagen 1-0 up with home to play) Vojvodina if they beat Sampdoria (Vojvodina 4-0 up with home to play, mental, but that's all but +1) Kukësi if they beat Legia Warsaw (Legia 3-0 up - awarded, with home to play, forget this one) Sturm Graz if they beat Rubin Kazan (Rubin 3-2 up with home to play) Ironi Kiryat Shmona if they beat Slovan Liberec (Liberec 2-1 up with away to play) Wolfsberger if they beat Borussia Dortmund (Dortmund 1-0 up with home to play) Željezničar if they beat Standard Liege (Liege 2-1 up with away to play) Inter Baku if they beat Athletic Bilbao (At. Bilbao 2-0 up with away to play) Rabotnički if they beat Trabzonspor (Rabotnicki 1-0 up with away to play) Rheindorf Altach if they beat Vitoria Guimaraes (Altach 2-1 up with away to play) I've a bad feeling Rabotnicki and Altach won't hold on to those leads. My Shmona and Zelejnicar are next best hope - both have a chance at home with away goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Can anyone pool together the likely list of seeded teams if we were unseeded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 We need 4 upsets to be sure. Can't see it myself, reckon we will end up as the best of the unseeded, not that it makes any difference. We'll see. It makes a lot of difference if we draw Ajax, Fenerbahce, Dortmund or anyone good by our standards as opposed to UEFA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Too late, need sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 It makes a lot of difference if we draw Ajax, Fenerbahce, Dortmund or anyone good by our standards as opposed to UEFA's. Indeed. Especially mixed in with PL games. The unseeded group looks fairly poor, the seeded group much more established sides. Lets hope for some more upsets tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adysaint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Can anyone pool together the likely list of seeded teams if we were unseeded? Ajax (66.195) Red Bull Salzburg (43.135) Viktoria Plzen (41.825) Steaua Bucharest (40.259) Young Boys (31.375) Sparta Prague (30.825) Fenerbahce (30.020) Panathinaikos (19.880) Lech Poznan (17.300) Def CL loses plus most of these EL seeds are in strong positions... Bordeaux PAOK FC Copenhagen AZ Alkmaar St Etienne Legia Warsaw Rubin Kazan Borussia Dortmund Standard Liege Athletic Bilbao Is 20 Plus Trabzonspor Vitoria Guimares if they turn their ties around or West Ham... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Yeah of those thete aten't many you would class as a "good" draw, although some tougher than others. Big, big benefit being seeded. But obviously out of our hands and no seeded team would be hoping to draw us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishSaint79 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Can anyone pool together the likely list of seeded teams if we were unseeded? http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2015.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Astra if they beat West Ham (2-2 with home to play) - though West Ham have the same ranking as Saints they may be ranked higher on coefficient countback. I don't get this, why wouldn't Saints have the higher coefficient if it boiled down to it? We entered the competition at a later (higher?) stage, so therefore should rank above them. I'd expect that to be the case if it were the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 It makes a lot of difference if we draw Ajax, Fenerbahce, Dortmund or anyone good by our standards as opposed to UEFA's. What I meant was that it doesn't make any difference if we are the best unseeded or the second best unseeded or the 22nd best unseeded. We will still be unseeded. Of course it makes a difference if we are seeded or unseeded, otherwise there is no point in this whole discussion :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2015.html Would no doubt be a tough ask if we aren't seeded, however take out the top 4 teams on that list, I think we could give the rest a good game over 2 legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 I don't get this, why wouldn't Saints have the higher coefficient if it boiled down to it? We entered the competition at a later (higher?) stage, so therefore should rank above them. I'd expect that to be the case if it were the other way around. Because that's not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 I don't get this, why wouldn't Saints have the higher coefficient if it boiled down to it? We entered the competition at a later (higher?) stage, so therefore should rank above them. I'd expect that to be the case if it were the other way around. Not sure it will matter in the end as Bilic has reportedly taken a few reserves and a load of development/academy squad players out to Romania and left those that will start their first PL game in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 Not worried about West Ham. They will probably lose. Even if they don't, I'm sure we will be given the nod (on 22 v 23) if that's decisive. Am worried we won't be in the top 22 though. That is a (potentially) nasty gig. And I really want group stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 In true EUFA style, and in the spirit of fairness, under the present rules I think Portsmouth currently have a higher coefficient than Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 After reading the last few pages my head hurts...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 Top teams we really want to avoid in order to progress??? Dortmund Bilbao Fenerbache Ajax any others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 After reading the last few pages my head hurts...... It's as simple as this - ensure we get the job done against Vitesse and then start looking at how the other fixtures went. It's about 50:50 as to whether or not we'll be seeded, and if we aren't seeded there is about a 25% chance we'll draw a team against which we won't be favourites in the tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 Top teams we really want to avoid in order to progress??? Dortmund Bilbao Fenerbache Ajax any others? Lets have Ajax we seem to do ok against Dutch teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 Rubin Kazan wouldn't be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwightmush Posted 6 August, 2015 Share Posted 6 August, 2015 For picking up tickets in Arnhem today, is it done at the ground or at the fan shop? Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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