Roy Hodgson warns Clyne over attitude in response to Slovenia game

[mcjwills]

Brendan Rodgers has had a word in Roys ear to persuade another one of our players they can only get in the side if they play at Liverpool.

[Saint_Tony]

Well if Clyne wasn't sure whether to leave or not, his mind will be made up now. Cheers Roy.

[East Kent Saint]

Some on here have pointed out Clyne's decline in form at the end of the season , probably since all the contract talk started . Jones wasn't the answer though !

[david in sweden]

I don't understand what Hodgson is getting at here. Clyne didnt demand a starting place so why is Hodgson hypothesising? It would be reasonable for Clyne to expect to be selected on merit. He wasnt selected on merit despite Hodgson acknowledging he'd had a good season. Perhaps one season as Englands foremost right back isnt enough so lets go back two seasons. Still ok, he was outstanding then as well. No, the decision was, apparently tactical. Trouble is, tactics didn't work too well. Both full backs had a hand in the goals conceded and a flaky defence nearly threw away two points in a game England dominated. Henderson looked lost at right back such that Hodgson brought Clyne to shore things up. Imsuppose selecting the two full backs that have been integral to the best defence in the league for most of last season is just too obvious for Hodgson.

 

 

....AND by the same logic....Arsenal's "part-time LB" Gibbs.... MUST be better than Ryan Bertrand .. you're a joke Roy. Just be thankful that England won that game..

[hasper57saint]

The England manager works in mysterious ways his errors to commit.

[supersonic]

The more worrying thing is Clyne and several saints fans thinking he deserves to be England's first choice RB after his recent performances.

[Bucks Saint]

Roy trying (and succeeding?) to distract attention from that shaky defensive performance. Even Henderson improved the RB position when he moved there, says everything about how bad it was before

[Bucks Saint]

The more worrying thing is Clyne and several saints fans thinking he deserves to be England's first choice RB after his recent performances.

 

You were happy with the selections that Roy made?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

I actually agree with Clyne. He has done enough to be picked for England and not getting a game sends out all of the wrong messages - the team is picked based on which club you play your football for. That will be proved when he leaves and becomes an England regular.

[david in sweden]

The more worrying thing is Clyne and several saints fans thinking he deserves to be England's first choice RB after his recent performances.

 

I haven't heard that Clyne criticised Hodgson, but I did read that RH got a lot of media grief from fans worldwide because of his original selection.

[iansums]

You were happy with the selections that Roy made?

 

I'm afraid I tend to agree with Supersonic. Now I don't agree with Hodgson playing Jones ahead of Clyne but much as I want him to do well Clyne was poor in his last two England games. He also lost a bit of form playing for Saints. Now he can either have a hissy fit like most of the posters on this thread or he can knuckle down, work hard and try and become a better, more consistent player and make the right back spot his own.

[rooney]

What are Hodgsons reasons for picking Gibbs ahead of Bertrand too? The former does not even get a regular game for his club.

[Lord Duckhunter]

At the end of the day Woy is a pretty average manager and average managers make lots of misjudgements, but that's all it was .

 

People don't seriously believe he thinks Clyne is our best RB, but won't play him because he plays for saints , do they?

[saint-crinny]

As others have said, this will simply confirm to Clyne what he probably already thinks - join a big club and play for England. This is more than likely what Roy wants, as when he talked about how important it was for Lallana to play in the Champions League etc.

 

It was a rank selection, Jones was like bumbling idiot at right back, and as much as Clyne hasn't played that well in recent months, he was clearly the best option.

 

To be honest, talking about how Clyne hasn't played well in recent months is irrelevant - the likes of Townsend have barely played at all and they're starting.

 

Can't really understand Roy's thinking - starting to care even less. As far as i can tell, Saints players getting in the England squad seems to lead to them leaving, as does them not getting picked at all.

 

Give me club football all day long

[doddisalegend]

The more worrying thing is Clyne and several saints fans thinking he deserves to be England's first choice RB after his recent performances.

 

 

 

But hasn't Roy just said club form is irrelevant when playing for England? Can't have it both ways.

[iansums]

Hodgson puts a lot of emphasis on how players perform for England and not so much their club form hence picking Townsend who TBF has always performed well for England.

[saint-crinny]

Hodgson puts a lot of emphasis on how players perform for England and not so much their club form hence picking Townsend who TBF has always performed well for England.

 

this is true, doesn't explain Jones really though - a guy who consistently looks like a clumsy oaf for club and country.

 

In general, agreed though - it's what kept Lambert in the squad for as long as it did.

[eddie]

Didn't watch the game, but hearing that jones and henderson played in front of clyne was a shocking decision. I know that he was wanting to use these slightly easier int'l opponents to 'test' out different systems (e.g. jones in CDM)....but there's a time and a place.

 

I actually don't mind hodgson as some other hate him, but you got to play clyne to show you're confident in him and to prepare him for future games. you can't mess around with new systems and then find that all your messing around has meant you haven't given anyone that much gametime and there we don't actually have any defined positions.

[Jai27]

It's situations like this that make it very very difficult to get behind our national team.

 

Gibbs, Smalling, Jones, Townsend, Sterling. Really?

 

Where was Bertrand, Austin, Clyne and Jagielka? Most ridiculously though, why on earth did Walcott not start? His recent form has been outstanding.

[Crab Lungs]

Double insult to clyne... First Jones ahead of him, then Henderson gets played in his position ahead of him too. Hodgsons a t0sser. Utterly clueless

[Kingsland Codger]

Given the poor performances by Jones/Henderson and Gibbs, I suspect both Clyne and Bertrand will find the Slovenia match was a good game to have missed. Not to have been involved in such a defensive crash can only work to their advantage.

[Andy Durman]

Roy Hodgson is a dinasaur.

[Wurzel]

That Mirror article says Clyne got one minute of game time. Wasn't he subbed on around the 85th minute before the Rooney goal?

 

Yes, he was one of the first to catch Rooney in his after goal celebration.

 

Hodgson got out of jail in that game, think we won in spite of him not because of his selections. And England going all season undefeated is in danger of becoming an Emporer's new clothes scenario, the average ranking of all opponents was something like 65th.

 

I could sort of understand Hodgdon's reasoning - albeit a risky decision - for putting Henderson at RB at half time certainly can't understand the decision to play Jones from the start. At the end of the day you HAVE to pick your best form players in their own positions, if you don't what incentive is there for anyone to try and improve (or indeed those already established to even maintain their form)

[iansums]

Roy Hodgson is a dinasaur.

 

Even if you could spell it correctly it would be a pathetic thing to say. Hodgson is a decent manager doing the best he can with what is one of the poorest group of players England have had for many years. He is trying to build something by playing a lot of youngsters.

[Saint Pete]

Hodgson got it badly wrong by selecting Jones at right back instead of Clyne - definitely demonstrates his apparent bias towards the big teams.

 

However, don't think you can criticise the half-time change to bring on Lallana for Jones and slot Henderson to RB? This was clearly a tactical change, which resulted in a more fluid midfield in the 2nd half. There would have been little point in bringing Clyne on at that stage and not using a more attacking sub.

[hutch]

Roy Hodgson is a dinasaur.

Not really. He's just a senile old pensioner with a part-time job.

[suewhistle]

I'll never understand the reasoning behind needing to play for a so-called big club. Do Man Utd shirts hold magical powers I am unaware of? Will Clyne's form suddenly leap ten-fold the moment he slips on a Liverpool kit?

 

The evidence is against it..

 

If I were being generous over my morning cuppa I'd say that Roy picked Jones for his height against a tall Slovenian team. We've seen Clyne occasionally outjumped at the back post when the centre backs haven't done their job...

 

I _am_ being generous, aren't I?

[OldNick]

dont worry in a month or so and Clyne is at Liverpool we will say he is rubbish and over-rated.

Hodgson can say what he wants at present, his team has won all the qualification games and so at present fireproof.

[buctootim]

Article in the Mirror about England's right back problem. Scroll down to see the poll on who should play there

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/phil-jones-jordan-henderson-england-5882059

[Saint_Ash]

Article in the Mirror about England's right back problem. Scroll down to see the poll on who should play there

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/phil-jones-jordan-henderson-england-5882059

 

Everyone in the world can see it except the man who makes the decisions.

[angelman]

LOL - like the poll.

[aintforever]

"I would be disappointed if I thought that, on the basis of a good season with their clubs, they can walk in and definitely demand a place."

 

In other words, you can do f*ck all all season for a big club and walk in and get your place.

 

Is it any surprise the national team is so sh!t?

[Millbrook Saint]

Maybe instead the poll should read Who should be England's right back 1. Any English Liverpool player 2. Any English Man Utd player 3. Any English City player 4. Any English Arsenal player. That way any player wishing to play there knows what he has to do to get into the team

[Horley CTFC Saint]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/englands-nathaniel-clyne-gets-warning-5887511

Cant be bothered to read it - what Clyne done? Has he said he wants to stay at Saints of something?!

[Saint IQ]

At the end of the day Woy is a pretty average manager and average managers make lots of misjudgements, but that's all it was .

 

People don't seriously believe he thinks Clyne is our best RB, but won't play him because he plays for saints , do they?

 

I do, in a way. Chambers got in ahead of Clyne as soon as he played a handful of games for Arsenal, Lallana got more starts when he went to Liverpool. Etc.

[Millbrook Saint]

Cant be bothered to read it - what Clyne done? Has he said he wants to stay at Saints of something?!

 

No chance of that hogdson has made it quite clear to Clyne and any other aspiring England players you only get a run in the team if you play for a few select clubs

[iansums]

No chance of that hogdson has made it quite clear to Clyne and any other aspiring England players you only get a run in the team if you play for a few select clubs

 

Like Villa?

[Saint IQ]

Hodgson puts a lot of emphasis on how players perform for England and not so much their club form hence picking Townsend who TBF has always performed well for England.

 

Maybe he has on about 2 occasions but on Sunday and against Ireland he was poor

[Millbrook Saint]

Like Villa?

 

Maybe they're one of the select teams

 

The trouble is what other conclusion can you draw from what he's done. I guarantee as soon as he signs for the scousers or whoever he'll be playing everytime.

[saint1977]

Like Villa?

 

Exactly, Delph hasn't suffered by signing a new long term deal with Villa has he? Clyne is or isn't signing a new deal with Saints because of England, he obviously thinks he can get more £££ at Liverpool although I still think he'll end up at a London club. He let his contract run out at Palace to join us so swings and roundabouts. We'll replace him, probably at a profit and might be able to make a contribution towards a second player for that position with some of the profit.

 

Clyne is a very good player overall but was mediocre at times in the second half of last season and also MP preferred Chambers at times the previous campaign despite him lacking Clyne's acceleration. If I was him I'd sign a new deal with a release clause as he's not consistently good enough with the ball yet in his distribution to warrant the genuine CL clubs - Chelsea, City, Utd and Gunners - plus his positioning and concentration wandered at times in the latter half of last season. Liverpool will fare no better next season but he may go for the money and also there's 2-3 old team mates there to help him survive north of Watford.

[Torres]

However, don't think you can criticise the half-time change to bring on Lallana for Jones and slot Henderson to RB? This was clearly a tactical change, which resulted in a more fluid midfield in the 2nd half. There would have been little point in bringing Clyne on at that stage and not using a more attacking sub.

 

Quite.

[alpine_saint]

Join a more established side or never be first choice?

 

F**k the national team.

 

Agree thats the message.

 

Agree with your response.

 

I will support Austria next summer.

[iansums]

Agree thats the message.

 

Agree with your response.

 

I will support Austria next summer.

 

How will you do that, by whinging and moaning as soon as they go one goal down?

[alpine_saint]

How will you do that, by whinging and moaning as soon as they go one goal down?

 

Maybe. Yawn.

[RoswellSaint]

I'm surprised no one has picked up on Henry Winter's comments in an article, mainly, about Wilshere. Same quotes but editorial comment from Winter.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/11676458/Jack-Wilshere-pivotal-to-England-future-says-Roy-Hodgson.html

 

Hodgson then made a strange utterance about Nathaniel Clyne, dismissing the argument that being the most in-form English right-back made him worthy of consideration. “Maybe but Jones is a quality player and we have great faith in Phil Jones. We are very happy with Nathaniel Clyne.

"We think Clyne is a very good player but I would be disappointed if I thought that on the basis of a good season with their clubs they can walk in and definitely demand a place.”

 

So he would not pick on form? “If I was to have played him [Clyne] and left out Phil Jones there would have been a lot of questions about ‘don’t you believe in Phil Jones?’ and ‘don’t you think he’s a man of the future?’.” Strange.

[Saint Charlie]

Definitely strange. But Hodgson, nice man that he appears, is a bit strange.

[david in sweden]

It's situations like this that make it very very difficult to get behind our national team.

 

Gibbs, Smalling, Jones, Townsend, Sterling. Really?

 

Where was Bertrand, Austin, Clyne and Jagielka?

 

Most ridiculously though, why on earth did Walcott not start? His recent form has been outstanding.

 

 

Ah..... but you haven't been listening to Roy.

 

He said ." having a good season is no guarantee of a first team place for the international side....." so he chose a team that had a mediocre season instead.

 

He should be glad that Jack Wilshere put ona good show ......... for once.

[iansums]

That's not what Hodgson said though. He said some good form even over a whole season isn't enough. Whether you agree with that or not, he's contradicted himself. Chambers and Martin Kelly (who?) got in without doing much. Big club players always do, and how has that worked out for England?

 

Fact is, Hodgson has had years and still hasn't formed a team. Whether good or bad, he should have a team by now. We have the easiest qualification route ever and no excuse not to have 11 players used to playing together and knowing their positions and their teammates well. Yet we're going to change the team every game again, have people out of position and big club reserves. I mean Townsend? Seriously?

 

Dinosaur or not, he's just continuing all the age old problems and comments about the overall quality of the available talent are completely irrelevant until they are solved.

 

What does this mean? I could have sworn there were 11 players out there, surely that is a team? Most of them have been consistent picks too, so I really don't know what you mean. It's incredibly difficult at international level with so few games and constant pull-outs to ever have a settled team. I agree Jones for Clyne was a strange decision and the whole of the defence is an issue but this is more down to the ability of the players than anything else.

 

Its' so easy just to lambast the England manager, its been going on for years, I can remember the stick Bobby Robson received. It's so easy just to jump on the bandwagon and not to look objectively.

[The9]

I'm afraid I tend to agree with Supersonic. Now I don't agree with Hodgson playing Jones ahead of Clyne but much as I want him to do well Clyne was poor in his last two England games. He also lost a bit of form playing for Saints. Now he can either have a hissy fit like most of the posters on this thread or he can knuckle down, work hard and try and become a better, more consistent player and make the right back spot his own.

 

He's been average at best for 2 months and hasn't been getting forward anything like as much since January.

 

Weirdly this is with the exception of the Leicester away match when he was pretty much the only Saints player who was putting any kind of effort in.

 

He's certainly one of England's best 3 right backs though, I'd question the logic of picking Glen Johnson ahead of him now, Henderson isn't a right back, and Phil Jones is barely a footballer. Which leaves the Calum Chambers debate - and he can't get enough games to be considered when there's someone who is ahead of him. After that it's guff like Walker of Spurs when he's fit and playing Smalling out of position too.

[shurlock]

He's been average at best for 2 months and hasn't been getting forward anything like as much since January.

 

Weirdly this is with the exception of the Leicester away match when he was pretty much the only Saints player who was putting any kind of effort in.

 

He's certainly one of England's best 3 right backs though, I'd question the logic of picking Glen Johnson ahead of him now, Henderson isn't a right back, and Phil Jones is barely a footballer. Which leaves the Calum Chambers debate - and he can't get enough games to be considered when there's someone who is ahead of him. After that it's guff like Walker of Spurs when he's fit and playing Smalling out of position too.

 

Don't think he's been as bad as people make out but odd you single out the Leicester game. Was very poor there - at the time, thought it was due to him being clattered and playing with a knock for half the game.