miserableoldgit Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Who would have thought? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11665456/How-Portsmouth-became-a-hotbed-of-radicalised-Muslims-and-far-right-thugs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Who would have thought? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11665456/How-Portsmouth-became-a-hotbed-of-radicalised-Muslims-and-far-right-thugs.html not just portsmouth. this kind of story will become more and more common in the next few years. soon, it won't even be 'news' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 That's just modern England. We now export Islamic terrorists to the Middle East, just think on that for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 That's just modern England. We now export Islamic terrorists to the Middle East, just think on that for a minute. A mistake that we make is brand them that way. They are cleverly groomed to see themselves as fighters for the true strand of Islam freeing their cultural heartlands from heretics such as the Yazidi and Shia and creating a Sunni caliphate. I've had the misfortune to have to deal with this at work this academic year. To young & impressionable Muslim men it all seems like a great big adventure, almost like a PS4 game. One that 17yo we've had to deal with said, and this is a direct quote "It's better than working in a car wash or driving a taxi. I'll get money and a wife". Someone I respect likened it to young men going off to fight for the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. Idealists, romantics, dreamers, those searching for a meaning to their loves and a few who just wanted to kill people. Thankfully the Muslim young women I talk to shudder and the thought of the repression they'd face. I'm a great believer in supporting Muslim women and womens groups, they are the key to stopping this. Very few mothers want their sons dead & their daughters repressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 A mistake that we make is brand them that way. They are cleverly groomed to see themselves as fighters for the true strand of Islam freeing their cultural heartlands from heretics such as the Yazidi and Shia and creating a Sunni caliphate. I've had the misfortune to have to deal with this at work this academic year. To young & impressionable Muslim men it all seems like a great big adventure, almost like a PS4 game. One that 17yo we've had to deal with said, and this is a direct quote "It's better than working in a car wash or driving a taxi. I'll get money and a wife". Someone I respect likened it to young men going off to fight for the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. Idealists, romantics, dreamers, those searching for a meaning to their loves and a few who just wanted to kill people. Thankfully the Muslim young women I talk to shudder and the thought of the repression they'd face. I'm a great believer in supporting Muslim women and womens groups, they are the key to stopping this. Very few mothers want their sons dead & their daughters repressed. Brand them in what way? They are Islamic terrorists. What about all those that are in their late 20s/30s/40s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Brand them in what way? They are Islamic terrorists. What about all those that are in their late 20s/30s/40s? Terrorist is a pointless word your terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 There's something rotten in the skate of Portsmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Terrorist is a pointless word your terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Jesus wept. It's a clearly defined term in the dictionary, its what they are. There's no ambiguity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Jesus wept. It's a clearly defined term in the dictionary, its what they are. There's no ambiguity. Which dictionary? The Arabic one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Which dictionary? The Arabic one? As we're writing and discussing in English, it'll be the English one obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 As we're writing and discussing in English, it'll be the English one obviously. Pretty sure the IRA aren't in the Irish dictionary as terrorists. Were the French resistances terrorists? what about Irgun who fought to liberate Palestine? Viet Cong? terrorist or freedom fighters? What about ZANLA in Rhodesia? Like I said pointless word banded about by one society to degrade the fighters of another society. Most societies can't afford to fight symmetric warfare in pursuit of their aims so those that don't are usually labelled terrorists by those they oppose. I have no time for extremism in any form but I also realise the world isn't as black or white as people like to try and make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 Pretty sure the IRA aren't in the Irish dictionary as terrorists. Were the French resistances terrorists? what about Irgun who fought to liberate Palestine? Viet Cong? terrorist or freedom fighters? What about ZANLA in Rhodesia? Like I said pointless word banded about by one society to degrade the fighters of another society. Most societies can't afford to fight symmetric warfare in pursuit of their aims so those that don't are usually labelled terrorists by those they oppose. I have no time for extremism in any form but I also realise the world isn't as black or white as people like to try and make it. What's your point? These people are terrorist scum, that's not really up for questioning. Weird tangent you're going off on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 What's your point? These people are terrorist scum, that's not really up for questioning. Weird tangent you're going off on. At what point does a British Muslim teenager become "terrorist scum?" It's not helpful if the authorities use that language as we are trying to dissuade them from joining ISIS not hasten their conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 At what point does a British Muslim teenager become "terrorist scum?" It's not helpful if the authorities use that language as we are trying to dissuade them from joining ISIS not hasten their conversion. We should all hug them. Learn to live and let live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 At what point does a British Muslim teenager become "terrorist scum?" It's not helpful if the authorities use that language as we are trying to dissuade them from joining ISIS not hasten their conversion. When they go off to join up with a terrorist organisation and take part in their activities, not exactly complicated is it. Not sure what language 'the authorities' use has to do with anything either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 No but there is actually a large government programme to dissuade radicalisation. Although ultimately it boils down to the American and Saudi jets will probably kill you with bombs not long after you arrive in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 No but there is actually a large government programme to dissuade radicalisation. Although ultimately it boils down to the American and Saudi jets will probably kill you with bombs not long after you arrive in Syria. Thats not so much dissuading from radicalisation, more liberal western economics. They want to die for the cause and there are service providers out there who will help. Its a bit like Dignatas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 Thats not so much dissuading from radicalisation, more liberal western economics. They want to die for the cause and there are service providers out there who will help. Its a bit like Dignatas. Lol but when it's 16 year old Ahmed from next door who's mates with your son it's not so funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 Pretty sure the IRA aren't in the Irish dictionary as terrorists. Were the French resistances terrorists? what about Irgun who fought to liberate Palestine? Viet Cong? terrorist or freedom fighters? What about ZANLA in Rhodesia? Like I said pointless word banded about by one society to degrade the fighters of another society. Most societies can't afford to fight symmetric warfare in pursuit of their aims so those that don't are usually labelled terrorists by those they oppose. I have no time for extremism in any form but I also realise the world isn't as black or white as people like to try and make it. Why is the use of the word 'terrorist' to describe a suicide bomber the main thing you take issue and felt the need to comment on? Forgive the directness of my question but I do find it somewhat curious that you prioritised that as the main issue of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 No but there is actually a large government programme to dissuade radicalisation. Although ultimately it boils down to the American and Saudi jets will probably kill you with bombs not long after you arrive in Syria. Right, I'm still not sure what your point is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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