Tom28 Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Breaking news on Skysports....charged with breaking Football Agents' Regulations over Calum Chambers' signing last summer. More info to follow apparently. The only surprising thing about this is that Utd and Liverpool haven't also been charged for the Luke Shaw and Lallana/Lovren signings. This stuff goes on all the time; Arsenal mustn't have covered their tracks very well.
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 (edited) Breaking news on Skysports....charged with breaking Football Agents' Regulations over Calum Chambers' signing last summer. More info to follow apparently. The only surprising thing about this is that Utd and Liverpool haven't also been charged for the Luke Shaw and Lallana/Lovren signings. This stuff goes on all the time; Arsenal mustn't have covered their tracks very well. They should be charged with being seriously doolallytat and interned for a few years. 16 million for Chambers ? Do you think we hypnotise scouts who come to St Mary's and show them films of Messi with a (name player) mask or something. Anyway it's probably just a minor unlicensed agent thingy. Edited 12 June, 2015 by Window Cleaner
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Breaking news on Skysports....charged with breaking Football Agents' Regulations over Calum Chambers' signing last summer. More info to follow apparently. The only surprising thing about this is that Utd and Liverpool haven't also been charged for the Luke Shaw and Lallana/Lovren signings. This stuff goes on all the time; Arsenal mustn't have covered their tracks very well. We don't know exactly what they have been charged for yet other than breaking regulations. It could be a simple administration matter, or using an unauthorised agent in the deal etc. rather than their conduct towards Saints and views on 'tapping up'.
angelman Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He had a storming game in the 2-2 draw against them, and wonder whether that was what sold him to them.
angelman Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Can someone explain what this means? What might they have done to be charged? I presume Redslo will have a blog entry explaining all (if not, will be very disappointed )
The9 Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Can someone explain what this means? What might they have done to be charged? I presume Redslo will have a blog entry explaining all (if not, will be very disappointed ) We don't know exactly what they have been charged for yet other than breaking regulations. It could be a simple administration matter' date=' or using an unauthorised agent in the deal etc. rather than their conduct towards Saints and views on 'tapping up'.[/quote'] What he said.
angelman Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Not (exactly) what he said as we know the agent was authorised and also charged. "Authorised agent Alan Middleton has also been charged for allegedly breaching The FA’s Football Agents Regulations in relation to the same transfer." Was asking what these regulations usually cover.
beatlesaint Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Its most likely nothing to do with Saints. eh ? apart from him being our player at the time of course you are probably correct.
Lighthouse Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He had a storming game in the 2-2 draw against them, and wonder whether that was what sold him to them. Arsene signed Oleg Luzhny after one decent performance against them so it wouldn't surprise me.
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Its most likely nothing to do with Saints. Who knows, we might have shopped them over it, wait and see time. That would be quite amusing, taking 16 million off of them for a dud and then shopping them for the way in which they did it...Machiavelli get out of here.
buctootim Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 If there was real justice in football the deal would be cancelled, Arsenal would get fined and we would get the player back. Luckily there isnt so we get to keep £16m for Chambers.
The9 Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Not (exactly) what he said as we know the agent was authorised and also charged. "Authorised agent Alan Middleton has also been charged for allegedly breaching The FA’s Football Agents Regulations in relation to the same transfer." Was asking what these regulations usually cover. LMGTFY?
Saint Charlie Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 They have been charged with breaking Agent regulations, that is between the Agent and Arsenal.
corky morris Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Surprise surprise.......................................
Chez Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He had a storming game in the 2-2 draw against them, and wonder whether that was what sold him to them. I would say this was exactly the reason (plus some other decent showing for us when Arsenal scouts no doubt attended) - he tore them apart that night.
VectisSaint Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 They have been charged with breaking Agent regulations, that is between the Agent and Arsenal. They have been charged with breaking Agent regulations over the transfer of Calum Chambers from Southampton. Therefore it affects how the agent interacted with Southampton. Thus although there is no suggestion of Saints' wrong-doing, the transfer of our player was in some way done in breach of regulations. I would hazard a guess that the charge would have come about because of a complaint made by us.
VectisSaint Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 That would be quite amusing, taking 16 million off of them for a dud He was hardly a dud. Kept Clyne out of the team for significant part of season while playing for us. How Arsenal have used him since is why he is looking like a "dud". He fitted our system and would (probably) have developed into a top class full back or midfielder if he had stayed with us (not sure about CB but possibly). Just like so many, badly advised and ****ed off elsewhere when the money came calling instead of taking some time to learn his trade and develop his game.
richardc Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 They have been charged with being drunk whilst in charge of a transfer
grezz Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He was hardly a dud. Kept Clyne out of the team for significant part of season while playing for us. How Arsenal have used him since is why he is looking like a "dud". He fitted our system and would (probably) have developed into a top class full back or midfielder if he had stayed with us (not sure about CB but possibly). Just like so many, badly advised and ****ed off elsewhere when the money came calling instead of taking some time to learn his trade and develop his game. He kept Clyne out of the team because Poch lost the plot. He was never, at any period, better than Clyne. Not even for that minute Clyne tied his shoelaces together. I am a little prejudiced though because I don't like the way Chambers runs. Something isn't right there.
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 (edited) He kept Clyne out of the team because Poch lost the plot. He was never, at any period, better than Clyne. Not even for that minute Clyne tied his shoelaces together. I am a little prejudiced though because I don't like the way Chambers runs. Something isn't right there. Did Poch lose the plot or was he told to "maximise value" on the Academy products? We always seem to be unclear on that, now the other week Reed was saying, Yep Academy lads are going to take up all the slack from the Europa League games and yet we seem to be running after quite a lot of bargain basement players just now (well the press think we are anyway). Cedric,Juanmi, Clasie, Gueye etc...where do they fit into the schema of things if we don't actually sell anyone? Edited 12 June, 2015 by Window Cleaner
Saint86 Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Did Poch lose the plot or was he told to "maximise value" on the Academy products? We always seem to be unclear on that, now the other week Reed was saying, Yep Academy lads are going to take up all the slack from the Europa League games and yet we seem to be running after quite a lot of bargain basement players just now (well the press think we are anyway). Cedric,Juanmi, Clasie, Gueye etc...where do they fit into the schema of things if we don't actually sell anyone? Slow down, you think those are bargin basement players? Claise and Cedric are both very highly rated and will cost the best part of ~£30m for the two of them. Similar for Gueye. Juanmi sounds like a younger Long for less than half his price. None of the first 3 are "basement" signings, but all would represent fairly good deals. Can't go wrong with Juanmi.... I sware our fans have a delusional view of what we can afford, and who we should target.
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Slow down, you think those are bargin basement players? Claise and Cedric are both very highly rated and will cost the best part of ~£30m for the two of them. Similar for Gueye. Juanmi sounds like a younger Long for less than half his price. None of the first 3 are "basement" signings, but all would represent fairly good deals. Can't go wrong with Juanmi.... I sware our fans have a delusional view of what we can afford, and who we should target. Clasie and Cedric = 20 million at the very most, Gueye about 5 or 6, Song about the same, in the elevated world of the upper regions of the PL these are bargain basement prices.
buctootim Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Clasie and Cedric = 20 million at the very most, Gueye about 5 or 6, Song about the same, in the elevated world of the upper regions of the PL these are bargain basement prices. Not really. The average transfer is probably around £4m or £5m. Only the biggest clubs spend much nett http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons
positivepete Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 The chairman recently said that other clubs now have more respect when dealing with us than last year. I wonder if we instigated the complaint?
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 The chairman recently said that other clubs now have more respect when dealing with us than last year. I wonder if we instigated the complaint? Well I can't see who else might have done...I mean Arsenal...certainly not, the player...probably not, who else does that leave unless it's an abused former agent.
sadoldgit Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Arsenal and Liverpool should both be charged with wanton squandering of cash. Not that I am complaining!
Faz Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He kept Clyne out of the team because Poch lost the plot. He was never, at any period, better than Clyne. Not even for that minute Clyne tied his shoelaces together. I am a little prejudiced though because I don't like the way Chambers runs. Something isn't right there. TBF he does run like a girl. A fast girl, but still a Doris.
VectisSaint Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 The chairman recently said that other clubs now have more respect when dealing with us than last year. I wonder if we instigated the complaint? Difficult to imagine it.wasn't us. Who else would make a complaint? Another agent, Inland revenue, Sepp Blatter? Unlikely.
positivepete Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Difficult to imagine it.wasn't us. Who else would make a complaint? Another agent, Inland revenue, Sepp Blatter? Unlikely. You never know it might have been the FA compliance unit themselves, they are after all supposed to check all transfers and fees paid.
Dark Munster Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Maybe it was instigated by an Arsenal mole in the hope that the transfer will be declared null and void, so that they can get their money back.
SW5 SAINT Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 If there was real justice in football the deal would be cancelled, Arsenal would get fined and we would get the player back. Luckily there isnt so we get to keep £16m for Chambers. Trouble is, Southampton will probably never ever get to see the whole £16m. The £16m was based on add ons, though I suppose some of that must have related to his full England cap.
VectisSaint Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 You never know it might have been the FA compliance unit themselves, they are after all supposed to check all transfers and fees paid. Think FIFA are supposed to do things like that as well, chances of the FA blazer brigade turning up something off their own back is approaching zero.
Window Cleaner Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Trouble is, Southampton will probably never ever get to see the whole £16m. The £16m was based on add ons, though I suppose some of that must have related to his full England cap. Ah add ons. Strange things add ons; The Arse thought that they were going to get 4 million from Barca because they sold them Vermaalen with a 4m CL winners clause, but as he didn't play at all they don't get a penny, well not this time round anyway. Poor old Arsenal.
VectisSaint Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He kept Clyne out of the team because Poch lost the plot. He was never, at any period, better than Clyne. Not even for that minute Clyne tied his shoelaces together. I am a little prejudiced though because I don't like the way Chambers runs. Something isn't right there. You are clearly more than a little prejudiced. One of the "he left us so now he's rubbish" brigade. He clearly was not rubbish and kept Clyne out of the side on merit, different type of player, but there were times when he was certainly better and no amount of hindsight should change that view. I also don't recall Poch losing the plot, more false memory syndrome. I don't disagree that he runs like a girl, but then so does Raheem Sterling.
simo Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Seen somewhere his step dad works for the agent involved and thats something to do with it I think?
NickG Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He was hardly a dud. Kept Clyne out of the team for significant part of season while playing for us. How Arsenal have used him since is why he is looking like a "dud". He fitted our system and would (probably) have developed into a top class full back or midfielder if he had stayed with us (not sure about CB but possibly). Just like so many, badly advised and ****ed off elsewhere when the money came calling instead of taking some time to learn his trade and develop his game. Significant part of the season? Not really.. Clyne was clearly, and rightly first choice. Clyne started 20 odd games, had a hamstring injury which must have been 5 or 6 games, think had another injury. Maybe rested / Chambers preferred for about 8??? Think Clyne is good player, thought maybe would work in back 3, but Clyne is a lot better. Clyne's best game was home to Arsenal....
saint si Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 He changed agent a couple of weeks ago http://www.soccerex.com/news/2015/05/calum-chambers-signs-new-deal-ahead-cup-final
The9 Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 (edited) He kept Clyne out of the team because Poch lost the plot. He was never, at any period, better than Clyne. Disagree. He was, and is, better at defending, he's not as quick or as adept at attacking. He and Clyne were switched in and out depending on the opposition, and we also played Clyne at left back with Chambers at right back on occasion. Edited 12 June, 2015 by The9
shurlock Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Disagree. He was, and is, better at defending, he's not as quick or as adept at attacking. He and Clyne were switched in and out depending on the opposition, and we also played Clyne at left back with Chambers at right back on occasion. Disagree. Clyne is on the whole a better defender. Infinitely better in one-on-one situations. Where Chambers perhaps had a defensive edge was in the air. But not enough to offset Clyne's other qualities. Where Chambers had a clearer advantage was in possession - his passing is more composed and less one-footed than Clyne.
Saint Charlie Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 Disagree. Clyne is on the whole a better defender. Infinitely better in one-on-one situations. Where Chambers perhaps had a defensive edge was in the air. But not enough to offset Clyne's other qualities. Where Chambers had a clearer advantage was in possession - his passing is more composed and less one-footed than Clyne. Spot on.
Saint Charlie Posted 12 June, 2015 Posted 12 June, 2015 As expected, nothing to do with Saints. All between Arsenal and payments to the Agent, no problem between the two clubs. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/584132/Arsenal-FA-fine-breaching-agent-rules-Calum-Chambers-transfer-Southampton Arsenal wanted Chambers, Chambers wanted to go, Saints agreed a deal.
grezz Posted 13 June, 2015 Posted 13 June, 2015 You are clearly more than a little prejudiced. One of the "he left us so now he's rubbish" brigade. He clearly was not rubbish and kept Clyne out of the side on merit, different type of player, but there were times when he was certainly better and no amount of hindsight should change that view. I also don't recall Poch losing the plot, more false memory syndrome. I don't disagree that he runs like a girl, but then so does Raheem Sterling. Find a post from me anywhere on this forum where I say Chambers or any other Saints player who left us is rubbish, crap, useless etc etc and you win a prize. The only brigade I ever had designs on joining was the fire brigade when I was a kid. I'm saying Clyne is, was, and always will be a better player than Chambers. I should have specified that I mean in the right back position only though. Chambers, in my opinion, isn't suited to a full-back position anyway. He could be an awesome centre-back quite soon though.
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