Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 I'm quite interested to see whether any of the Academy players will make the step up. Think the likes of Gallagher, Hesketh, and Sims would be the best prospects right now from the U21's in that part of the pitch but they are still a little way off in my opinion. Slattery from the U18's but he is very young. Other than that, I don't think anyone is anywhere near knocking on the door.
Ohio Saint Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Think the likes of Gallagher' date=' Hesketh, and Sims would be the best prospects right now from the U21's in that part of the pitch but they are still a little way off in my opinion. Slattery from the U18's but he is very young. Other than that, I don't think anyone is anywhere near knocking on the door.[/quote'] Yeah, I believe that Saints are true to their stated claim on our youth, but they will have to be of the highest standard regarding potential.
Saint Charlie Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 If Jay Rod gets a go centrally like he should then we don't need Austin. Plus Mane (our best attacker) is also best through the middle. I wouldn't prefer Austin over either of those two.
buctootim Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Yeah, I believe that Saints are true to their stated claim on our youth, but they will have to be of the highest standard regarding potential. Obviously the higher we go the harder it will be for academy products to break into the team. It was easy for us to mock Chelsea etc for having bought their entire team when we were in Lg1 and had half the team homegrown. Now we've got only a couple of bit part players in contention.
buctootim Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Have we had any spanish players ? Yep, that playmaker who never was, forgotten his name. edit: Idiakez
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Obviously the higher we go the harder it will be for academy products to break into the team. It was easy for us to mock Chelsea etc for having bought their entire team when we were in Lg1 and had half the team homegrown. Now we've got only a couple of bit part players in contention. More than a little unfair when in an ideal world right now if the club had its choice our first team would contain Lallana, Chambers, Shaw, JWP etc.
Webby Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 The more I look into him the more he seems like Bojan at Stoke, both in playing style and physically. And hopefully he'll have the same sort of impact too. Think this completes our work in the final third for this summer (Jay Rod extension, and Juanmi signed). That would mean the following players competing for 3-4 positions on the pitch at any one time: Pelle, Rodriguez, Mane, Tadic, Juanmi, Long, JWP. JWP? if you're including him then why not Davis?
Dellman Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Hoping his height won't be a problem! 5ft 6 for a striker! What height was Marian Pahars and Charlie Wayman who old guys like still call the greatest of them all
buctootim Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 (edited) More than a little unfair when in an ideal world right now if the club had its choice our first team would contain Lallana' date=' Chambers, Shaw, JWP etc.[/quote'] Fair point. Im not knocking the club. Its just that inevitably in the lower leagues more of the academy products would be of sufficient standard to get into the team. Edited 15 June, 2015 by buctootim
kalkansaint Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Sky sport reporting we have agreed 5.1M deal, and player in town for medical "........get in !
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Sky sport reporting we have agreed 5.1M deal, and player in town for medical "........get in ! Sounding promising. Have we anyone on hotel watch?
SuperMikey Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Sounding promising. Have we anyone on hotel watch? Forget hotels, who's on earlobe watch!?
Batman Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 8 goals in 34 league games last season. Just been on talk sport
S-Clarke Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 I don't see him as a striker from what I've read, to be honest. Sure, he can play up top if required, but I see him as a perfect player in the 3 behind the striker. Left, Right or number 10. Basically he's the Djuricic or Elia replacement, in my opinion. Pointless judging him on his goal record in my opinion.
SuperSAINT Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 I don't see him as a striker from what I've read, to be honest. Sure, he can play up top if required, but I see him as a perfect player in the 3 behind the striker. Left, Right or number 10. Basically he's the Djuricic or Elia replacement, in my opinion. Pointless judging him on his goal record in my opinion. Yup, matches with a report I read about him earlier: Predominantly playing as a secondary striker, he can also operate as an attacking midfielder or a left winger. At just 5 ft 6 1/2 in and 63 kg, Juanmi has a slight frame but possesses excellent ball control, has great dribbling ability and lightning acceleration. As you would expect from a Spanish youngster, he is technically strong, has good vision and is a good passer of the ball. This season Juanmi has also added a great work rate to his game and is relentless in his pressing, this has led to defensive mistakes and has created numerous goal scoring opportunities, as seen with his goals against Barcelona and Levante.
St Chalet Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 I can't get excited until I see a YouTube montage.
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 I can't get excited until I see a YouTube montage.
Ewell Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Have we had any spanish players ? How the hell did you miss the Javier De Pedro SAGA?
Appy Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 8 goals in 34 league games last season. Just been on talk sport Do you ever not listen to talk sport?
Batman Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Do you ever not listen to talk sport? It's that, 5live or LBC on in the background. Work away from home in the week and can poke it if I am going to put the one show on
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Yup, matches with a report I read about him earlier: Predominantly playing as a secondary striker, he can also operate as an attacking midfielder or a left winger. At just 5 ft 6 1/2 in and 63 kg, Juanmi has a slight frame but possesses excellent ball control, has great dribbling ability and lightning acceleration. As you would expect from a Spanish youngster, he is technically strong, has good vision and is a good passer of the ball. This season Juanmi has also added a great work rate to his game and is relentless in his pressing, this has led to defensive mistakes and has created numerous goal scoring opportunities, as seen with his goals against Barcelona and Levante. David Silva anyone...
doddisalegend Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Start of that video it sites his weaknesses as holding on to the ball and staying onside:?
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Start of that video it sites his weaknesses as holding on to the ball and staying onside:? If they are basing the "staying onside" on the clips from that video then it isn't a problem because the linesman gets it wrong.
ErwinK1961 Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Hope this isn't the striking options done, still think we need an alternative Pelle option. J-rod has never totally convinced me playing centrally, and that was under Poch when we played a slightly different style. Now there is more of an emphasis on the front man holding the ball up and winning balls in the air, which isn't Jay's strength. Maybe we'll see a different style?
DuncanRG Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Hope this isn't the striking options done, still think we need an alternative Pelle option. J-rod has never totally convinced me playing centrally, and that was under Poch when we played a slightly different style. Now there is more of an emphasis on the front man holding the ball up and winning balls in the air, which isn't Jay's strength. Maybe we'll see a different style? Jay was very effective centrally when we played on the break away from home. Whether that's the type of game he's training himself to play again is anyone's guess.
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Sky Sports News use of statistics in their report about Juanmi was odd (as it is generally). - Why use only 2015 figures and not from the entire season? They picked an arbitrary point in the season. - Why do they think "shot conversion rate" has any real meaning? It is flawed. - Why include only Pelle and Long, when both are used in very different roles? Juanmi certainly won't be used in the Pelle role.
Appy Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Sky Sports News use of statistics in their report about Juanmi was odd (as it is generally). - Why use only 2015 figures and not from the entire season? They picked an arbitrary point in the season. - Why do they think "shot conversion rate" has any real meaning? It is flawed. - Why include only Pelle and Long, when both are used in very different roles? Juanmi certainly won't be used in the Pelle role. Odd that it bothers you that much.
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 It appears to bother you, that it bothers me. *endless loop*
Sour Mash Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Sky Sports News use of statistics in their report about Juanmi was odd (as it is generally). - Why use only 2015 figures and not from the entire season? They picked an arbitrary point in the season. - Why do they think "shot conversion rate" has any real meaning? It is flawed. - Why include only Pelle and Long, when both are used in very different roles? Juanmi certainly won't be used in the Pelle role. Why isn't shot conversion rate relevant? Depending on the situation of the game, one of Pellè or Long might be replaced by this player, so it is relevant.
Saint Charlie Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Would hope he is better than Long, and suspect if he has even got close to a Spain squad, that he is. In truth probably a very different style of player, but wouldn't assume that this guy will be a backup squad player.
SaintZamboni Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Why isn't shot conversion rate relevant? Depending on the situation of the game, one of Pellè or Long might be replaced by this player, so it is relevant. How about because if shot conversion is a sensible measure of a players worth then Nacer Chadli, Pa**** Cisse and Mame Diouf all had better seasons than Sergio Aguero
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 JWP? if you're including him then why not Davis? Yep you can include Davis too I suppose.
Andy Durman Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Predominantly right footed, but plays on the left. Scores a lot of onside goals that are given offside because he's so quick
trousers Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Talksport's Spanish league expert now saying that there's a good chance some of the Premier League 'big boys' will now be alerted to his relatively low contract release fee (£5.1m) and could usurp the Saints deal....
Saint Charlie Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Talksport's Spanish league expert now saying that there's a good chance some of the Premier League 'big boys' will now be alerted to his relatively low contract release fee (£5.1m) and could usurp the Saints deal.... They will have known about his low contract fee already, in Spain those aren't exactly a secret.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Talksport's Spanish league expert now saying that there's a good chance some of the Premier League 'big boys' will now be alerted to his relatively low contract release fee (£5.1m) and could usurp the Saints deal.... If Saints were aware of his contract clause, so were the big boys. I doubt this is new information for them. Saints being close to a deal could be, but it sounds like things are so far advanced it would take an unlikely turn of events for him to sign for someone else. And if he did, it says a bit for his character and we're better off without.
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Why isn't shot conversion rate relevant? I said it was "flawed", it values each shot equally. A scuffed shot that rolls into the keeper's arms is valued the same as a superb shot from 30 yards that strikes the crossbar.
Sour Mash Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 How about because if shot conversion is a sensible measure of a players worth then Nacer Chadli, Pa**** Cisse and Mame Diouf all had better seasons than Sergio Aguero That's not answering my question.
Viking Warrior Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Purely speculation on might part . There has been a fair bit in the news re van Persie at United. Given the Dutch connection could RK tempt him to saints
Sour Mash Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 I said it was "flawed", it values each shot equally. A scuffed shot that rolls into the keeper's arms is valued the same as a superb shot from 30 yards that strikes the crossbar. That doesn't make it flawed.
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Talksport's Spanish league expert now saying that there's a good chance some of the Premier League 'big boys' will now be alerted to his relatively low contract release fee (£5.1m) and could usurp the Saints deal.... I find it unlikely they wouldn't already be aware of it, given his minimun release fee has been in the press for a long time now.
Turkish Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 I said it was "flawed", it values each shot equally. A scuffed shot that rolls into the keeper's arms is valued the same as a superb shot from 30 yards that strikes the crossbar. Incorrect yet again. A scuffed shot that rolls into the keepers armed would go down as to be on target, one that hits the cross bar from 30 yards would be deemed off target. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/c/ce/Mr.Wrong.gif/revision/latest?cb=20090713110933
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Incorrect yet again. A scuffed shot that rolls into the keepers armed would go down as to be on target, one that hits the cross bar from 30 yards would be deemed off target. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/c/ce/Mr.Wrong.gif/revision/latest?cb=20090713110933 The discussion is about shot conversion rate! Not if a shot is on or off target.
Turkish Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 The discussion the big boys are having master Turkish is about shot conversion rate! Not if a shot is on or off target. But a shot into the goal keepers arms and a shot that hits the cross bar do not have the same value as you stated they did. :mcinnes:
SaintZamboni Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 It's not relevant because it doesn't give you a reflection of the players contribution or ability. Does Sergio Aguero's lower shot conversion ratio mean that City should be looking at him and Bony (conversion ratios of 0.14 and 0.12 respectively) as weaker than their opponents strikers? Despite Aguero notiching 21 non penalty goals last season is he in fact less valuable than Cisse would be? Of course not. Then take into account different leagues, different opponent standards, different numbers of games played and you don't get an accurate reflection. Aguero had a goals to shots ratio of 0.34, Sakho 0.4, that doesn't give a real reflection of what those two players are capable of or worth to their respective clubs.
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Turkish, I think you should give up before you dig yourself a deeper hole. Shot conversion rate = % of a players shots that are goals A scuffed shot that rolls along the floor into the keepers arms doesn't count as a goal (btw I made no mention if it was on or off target). A shot that hits the crossbar and doesn't go in, in terms of shot conversion has the same value yet is significantly more difficult to do.
sebsanderssaint Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 Have we had any spanish players ? Iago Falque was spanish, if you include loan signings...
Sour Mash Posted 15 June, 2015 Posted 15 June, 2015 It's not relevant because it doesn't give you a reflection of the players contribution or ability. Does Sergio Aguero's lower shot conversion ratio mean that City should be looking at him and Bony (conversion ratios of 0.14 and 0.12 respectively) as weaker than their opponents strikers? Despite Aguero notiching 21 non penalty goals last season is he in fact less valuable than Cisse would be? Of course not. Then take into account different leagues, different opponent standards, different numbers of games played and you don't get an accurate reflection. Aguero had a goals to shots ratio of 0.34, Sakho 0.4, that doesn't give a real reflection of what those two players are capable of or worth to their respective clubs. Still doesn't make it irrelevant or not of interest. Not one person has suggested it should be the primary guide to a player's worth, so god knows what you're going on about.
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