Chez Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 You've mentioned the key one... lack of loyalty bonus. It increases the amount of money the selling club get and so a transfer offer becomes more attractive to them compared to giving away some of it as a loyalty bonus. For example which is more attractive to Everton to convince them to sell...? a) Stones makes no transfer request, Chelsea bid £30m and Everton have to give Stone £2m in loyalty bonuses leaving them with £28m. b) Stones makes a transfer request, Chelsea bid £30m, Everton keep £30m. (for sake of this example I'm ignoring money owed to Barnsley) Plus it acts as official confirmation the player is unhappy and wants to leave. so, do Chelsea then pay Stones the £2m he missed out on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 so, do Chelsea then pay Stones the £2m he missed out on? Only if he stays loyal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 I find it rather depressing that Stones has handed in a transfer request and I feel sorry for Everton fans. I just think he would be better off staying at Everton for at least another season where he would play every game, will he get that at Chelsea? But this is how the game is nowadays unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 The Daily Mail has us in with a late bid for Real's Asier Illarramendi. Not sure if we need another defensive midfielder? Going back to Real Sociedad and Moyeseh for €16m according to Tancredi Palmeri on Twitter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 SKY SOURCES: JOHN STONES HANDS IN TRANSFER REQUEST How can this be? Everton never sell any of their best players, all their players love it there and would never leave for a bigger club, they are the club we wish we were. I'm sure Batman will be on to tell us how this is impossible, the story simply is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 You've mentioned the key one... lack of loyalty bonus. It increases the amount of money the selling club get and so a transfer offer becomes more attractive to them compared to giving away some of it as a loyalty bonus. For example which is more attractive to Everton to convince them to sell...? a) Stones makes no transfer request, Chelsea bid £30m and Everton have to give Stone £2m in loyalty bonuses leaving them with £28m. b) Stones makes a transfer request, Chelsea bid £30m, Everton keep £30m. (for sake of this example I'm ignoring money owed to Barnsley) Plus it acts as official confirmation the player is unhappy and wants to leave. If a player is transferred without putting in a transfer request then technically the selling club have to pay up the balance of the contract (his entire salary due inc any loyalty bonuses). Now of course this figure will be negotiated to a settlement that both the player and the selling club are happy with, but in this instance with Stones having 4 years left on his contract (I think), then it is a substantial figure that Everton will not have to net off the money received from Chelsea. Will be interesting to see if Everton & West Brom stand firm. I'd wager West Brom will let him go, but Everton will stand firm and hold him to his contract??????!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 I find it rather depressing that Stones has handed in a transfer request and I feel sorry for Everton fans. I just think he would be better off staying at Everton for at least another season where he would play every game, will he get that at Chelsea? But this is how the game is nowadays unfortunately. Maybe John Terry is finally being phased out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 How can this be? Everton never sell any of their best players, all their players love it there and would never leave for a bigger club, they are the club we wish we were. I'm sure Batman will be on to tell us how this is impossible, the story simply is not true. Do you not think Everton would have received bids from the likes of Baines, Coleman and Barkley over the past couple of seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 Weren't we wanting Lallana to do the honourable thing and hand in a transfer request this time last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 Weren't we wanting Lallana to do the honourable thing and hand in a transfer request this time last year? No he had been with Liverpool for nearly 2 months this time last year. I don't think anyone was expecting to hand in a transfer request at Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 Lewis Grabban does a runner from the Norwich team hotel and gets a train south to force through a move to Bournemouth after a third bid was turned down by the Canaries. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3210635/Norwich-striker-Lewis-Grabban-goes-AWOL-team-hotel-Capital-One-Cup-snub-bid-force-Bournemouth-return.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 Players I will be happy to see taken on loan on deadline day Loftus cheek Joel Campbell Perieira Lingard Townsend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 Players I will be happy to see taken on loan on deadline day Loftus cheek Joel Campbell Perieira Lingard Townsend Why would their clubs agree or the players want to come? They'd be unlikely to get game time ahead of players we already have in those positions both in the XI and bench. Its a centre back we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 All of them will get more game time at saints for sure. Yes we need a CB... But suggest we need to buy one of those..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 All of them will get more game time at saints for sure. Yes we need a CB... But suggest we need to buy one of those..... I couldn't see them making our bench, let alone the first XI. So little incentive for the club or player to agree to a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 @JackPittBrooke: Inter and Spurs in talks over Erik Lamela transfer. Spurs want permanent deal, £20m fee. Full story on @IndyFootball soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2015 Share Posted 25 August, 2015 @JackPittBrooke: Inter and Spurs in talks over Erik Lamela transfer. Spurs want permanent deal, £20m fee. Full story on @IndyFootball soon. I saw that. I reckon it'll end up being a loan with a view to a perm. though. He's a weird one, he has the same sort of reactions with Spurs fans as Gaston does with us. Always hoping he'll come good...but never quite achiving anything. To get £20m back for him would be a job well done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/34057393 Assuming they can get a replacement in time, Everton would be mental to refuse 40 million for Stones wouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/34057393 Assuming they can get a replacement in time, Everton would be mental to refuse 40 million for Stones wouldn't they? Yes - he's English which means Chelsea are paying far more than he is worth. Assuming they get their recruitment right, they can become a better team with £40m to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 John stones is no where near worth £40m you could get two top international CBs from Europe for that disgusting price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 Spurs backing Pochettino with some serious cash by the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/34057393 Assuming they can get a replacement in time, Everton would be mental to refuse 40 million for Stones wouldn't they? I understand why they are reticent. Without their first choice left back till Jan and with only one other centre back in Jagielka. Then suddenly having to panic and pay through the nose on the eve of the transfer deadline for new ones. Then integrate them in the starting xi immediately. Plus they've got stones on a contract till 2019. Can't see his value suddenly disappearing unless he gets a serious injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 Spurs backing Pochettino with some serious cash by the looks of it. Really? You sure about that? So far this window. Bought £29.4m Sold £45.9m http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/transfers/verein/148/saison_id/2015 If Poch spends a net £50m then they will be backing him with some serious cash. They're going to likely be getting rid of others like Lennon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 John stones is no where near worth £40m you could get two top international CBs from Europe for that disgusting price Except it isn't. It fulfills a homegrown slot that Chelsea needs and he is English so will always command a large premium. Much like sterling earlier in the window, this is how much young English players cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 Stones also still has four years left on his contract, and Chelsea need a replacement for John Terry. It's probably only the transfer request that's giving Chelsea a chance of getting him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 People seem not to look back at Rio Ferdinand's transfer to Man Utd in 2002 for £30m when talking about Stones and £40m. A lot has changed in the game in the past 13 years but £30m > £40m isn't a huge leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 People seem not to look back at Rio Ferdinand's transfer to Man Utd in 2002 for £30m when talking about Stones and £40m. A lot has changed in the game in the past 13 years but £30m > £40m isn't a huge leap. bit different really ferdinand had already made a move to a huge club (with a huge fee) that was expected to challenge at the top end of the league. He did that and was excellent stones has had about half a good season. Already being talked up as some amazing player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 People seem not to look back at Rio Ferdinand's transfer to Man Utd in 2002 for £30m when talking about Stones and £40m. A lot has changed in the game in the past 13 years but £30m > £40m isn't a huge leap. It's all relative. When Rio Ferdinand transferred to Man Utd in 2002 he had over 180 appearances in the Premier League under his belt, 17 appearances in Europe, and 20 appearances for England (and had established himself as first choice in his position as well). If John Stones gets transferred his CV reads 47 appearances in the Premier League, 3 in Europe, and 4 for England (where he is not first choice). So relative to the fee I think it is a huge jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 the Neymar to united for £140m is absolute garbage. Why does shyte like that get reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 the Neymar to united for £140m is absolute garbage. Why does shyte like that get reported? It's all posturing by clubs and agents alike. Neymar is after a new contract at Barcelona so the easiest way for him to publicly grease the wheels is to be conveniently linked with a move elsewhere. The same happened with Ramos. And in terms of clubs briefing the media, Levy has gone into overdrive the past few weeks. Papers reporting Spurs targets unhappy at their parent clubs all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 the Neymar to united for £140m is absolute garbage. Why does shyte like that get reported? They've got to have something to talk about on deadline day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 They've got to have something to talk about on deadline day. its just daft. What is there to talk about United are not going to nearly double the world record fee for a player. Barcelona are not going to sell one of their world stars whilst under a transfer (in) embargo just ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 Really? You sure about that? So far this window. Bought £29.4m Sold £45.9m http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/transfers/verein/148/saison_id/2015 If Poch spends a net £50m then they will be backing him with some serious cash. They're going to likely be getting rid of others like Lennon as well. So far this window...they will spend a decent wedge in the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 So far this window...they will spend a decent wedge in the next few days. We'll see. You would have thought that they would/should but Levy is Levy. He did say that there were to be no more £20m signings, but £10m +/- a few £m, but Berahino seems to have scotched that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 Simon Jones reporting - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3211562/Tottenham-make-18m-bid-Bayer-Leverkusen-forward-Heung-Min-Son-man-nicknamed-Sonaldo-Germany.html - so who knows if it is PR bull or truth? Spurs really are very stupid. I think everyone knows that they have 1 striker in Harry Kane (and one that they refuse to use in Adebayor) so if they come in for a striker this late in the day, they are going to be right royally fleeced. And really as the article says, he is primarily a winger who can play secondary striker. Still don't know what the huge problem with Austin is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 WOLVES REJECT AFOBE BID Wolves have rejected a third Norwich bid of £10m for England under-21 striker Benik Afobe, according to Sky sources. ^ Apologies if posted, that is one big bid. They only paid about £2m for him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/600720/Exclusive-West-Brom-Charlie-Austin-replace-Tottenham-Saido-Berahino Would he go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 Michail Antonio: West Ham bid for winger set to be rejected. The Premier League club offered about £4m for Antonio, 25, plus winger Matt Jarvis on a season-long loan. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34066785 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 West Ham are having a mare at the moment! They've got no fit strikers and now Zaza is staying at Juve because Llorente is leaving. Looks like they'll have to settle for Victor Moses on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 BERAHINO UNFOLLOWS WEST BROM Read into this what you will... in the last 10 minutes or so Saido Berahino has unfollowed his own club West Brom on Twitter. ^ That is next level reporting (by Sky) & trolling (by Berahino) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 BERAHINO UNFOLLOWS WEST BROM Read into this what you will... in the last 10 minutes or so Saido Berahino has unfollowed his own club West Brom on Twitter. ^ That is next level reporting (by Sky) & trolling (by Berahino) LOl well I guess west brom have no choice but to let him leave now. TBH I don't think West brom are adverse to letting Berahino go just not for the money spurs were offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 so, do Chelsea then pay Stones the £2m he missed out on? Doubt it, they'll be giving him a hefty signing on fee anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 August, 2015 Share Posted 26 August, 2015 Maybe Berahino should have stuck with his old agent, the one who got Sterling his move, rather than take the moral high ground and then behave even worse than Sterling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 NORWICH IN FOR KOULIBALY Norwich are locked in negotiations with Napoli for their centre-back Kalidou Koulibaly, Sky sources understand. Koulibaly impressed for Napoli last season, featuring 37 times in all competitions for the Partenopei last term.The Canaries are understood to have made an initial £8.6m approach to the Serie A side for the 24-year-old Frenchman, who moved to Naples from Belgian side Genk a year ago. But the versatile defender was left on the bench in Napoli's season-opening 2-1 defeat at Sassuolo at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 (edited) Someone on the uglies reckons 3 out and 3 in by close of play tuesday Just for lols, out Pelle Gaston Reed in VvD Austin townsend Edited 27 August, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 Someone on the uglies reckons 3 out and 3 in by close of play tuesday Just for lols, out Pelle Gaston Reed in VvD Austin townsend Replace Pelle with Mayuka and I'd be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 Replace Pelle with Mayuka and I'd be happier. I thought Mayuka had gone to Russia already!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2015/08/27/club-statement-from-the-chairman Clear from Everton- fair play if they stick to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2015/08/27/club-statement-from-the-chairman Clear from Everton- fair play if they stick to that. there is nothing you can do when the big clubs come calling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 27 August, 2015 Share Posted 27 August, 2015 there is nothing you can do when the big clubs come calling Apart from what Everton are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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