rickylambert Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Sorry, having a debate with a friend. Grealish or Ward Prowse? Needless who I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Grealish looked out of his depth against our midfield when we beat them 6-1 a few weeks ago. Grealish - 19 years old - 13 Premier League appearances Ward-Prowse - 20 years old - 74 Premier League appearances The difference in experience between them shows, plus Ward-Prowse is playing for a significantly better team and has stronger competition for his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Why is Grealish allowed to ignore the shinpad rules? He wears little girls' Barbie ankle pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Totally different players, expected to do different things for their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Sorry, having a debate with a friend. Grealish or Ward Prowse? Needless who I say. think your friend needs to do some serious research......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Graelish needs to sort his hair and shin pads out. quite funny though, how he is pishing the Oirish off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Don't get the hype around Grealish. Bang average every time I've seen hin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 I've only seen him at SMS and on TV for the FA Cup final. Neither was anything great. Typical press who seem to latch on to anyone and hype them up. Adnan Januzaj was last season's wonder kid and he seems to have disappeared, or rather player a bit part role last season. No such talk of getting him to be English and play for England. Guess it also happened to Chambers at the beginning of this season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Grealish will become a better AM (imo). Prowse will be a better CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Grealish: temper tantrums like Ronaldo, but not the same level of talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Not seen enough of him, at the moment I don't quite get all the hype. Seems to have been based around 1 game - the semi final v Liverpool. Against us he was like a little boy against men. Totally out of his depth. Same against Arsenal in the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLiam Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Don't get the hype around Grealish. Bang average every time I've seen hin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Villa just became an incredibly hyped team after winning a few games lots of analysis over mediocre-poor players like Cleverly because he was in decent form then we put them in their place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 He looks ok. Bit early to judge yet. As for Grealish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Sorry, having a debate with a friend. Grealish or Ward Prowse? Needless who I say. So far Grealish has had a lot more impact on the Premier League but anyone can look good over a short period as an unknown, it's how he responds to tactics dedicated to exploiting his weaknesses that will define his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 From what I have seen Grealish is more creative and has more of a goal threat but JWP is better at everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 So far Grealish has had a lot more impact on the Premier League. You're joking, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Grealish seems to have come from nowhere to be a highly rated youngster without actually having done anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 So far Grealish has had a lot more impact on the Premier League but anyone can look good over a short period as an unknown, it's how he responds to tactics dedicated to exploiting his weaknesses that will define his career. what an utter crock of shyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 He's a British player who appears to have a slightly above average level of technical skill, so everybody gets excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 You're joking, right? Nope, though actually I suppose his high profile matches were FA Cup ties so you could argue "impact on the Prem" isn't accurate. But he certainly has a bigger degree of media coverage than Ward-Prowse irrespective of actual performances, and he's a regular starter whilst JWP is still in and out of the side, albeit far higher up the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 FWIW I think Grealish would be a far bigger miss for Villa next season than Ward-Prowse would be for us if they were both unavailable all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 FWIW I think Grealish would be a far bigger miss for Villa next season than Ward-Prowse would be for us if they were both unavailable all season. Of course but it's relative to the quilaity of the teams and the sqaud. Grealish from what I have seen is pretty average but to replace him villa only have 5h1te in the squad, yet JWP could be replaced by a number of good players. Grealish is all media hype and I recall JWP looking very good on his prem debut against City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 I don't think either of them have pulled up any trees yet tbf. Grealish has at least got an FA Cup Semi win and Final appearance under his belt already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Different type of midfielders. Grealish is a Lallana type player, James Ward-Prowse certainly isn't. James should be aspiring to be as good or as close as possible to Scholes. Grealish as good as Joe Cole (in his prime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Why is Grealish allowed to ignore the shinpad rules? He wears little girls' Barbie ankle pads. Which must comply with the regs or he woldn't be alowed on the pitch, personally I think he is an idiot and setting a bad example. One day he may regreat his decision as he is crried from the pitch on a stretcher sucking hard on the oxygen tank as the realisation that a compound fracture of his lower leg has possibly ended his career all of which could have been prevented by the proper shin pads he chose not to wear so he could look all cool and hard with his socks rolled down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 So far Grealish has had a lot more impact on the Premier League I suppose it's how you define "impact" If it's by media attention then yes, Grealish has had more of an impact. If however it's by contributions to team and performances on the pitch then it's JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 I suppose it's how you define "impact" If it's by media attention then yes, Grealish has had more of an impact. If however it's by contributions to team and performances on the pitch then it's JWP. If it's by contributions to team and performances it's neither of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Why is Grealish allowed to ignore the shinpad rules? He wears little girls' Barbie ankle pads. Which must comply with the regs or he woldn't be alowed on the pitch, personally I think he is an idiot and setting a bad example. One day he may regreat his decision as he is crried from the pitch on a stretcher sucking hard on the oxygen tank as the realisation that a compound fracture of his lower leg has possibly ended his career all of which could have been prevented by the proper shin pads he chose not to wear so he could look all cool and hard with his socks rolled down. He isn't ignoring the shinpad rules. There's nothing in the shinpad rules that says how large the pad has to be, only this: Shinguards are covered entirely by the stockings are made of rubber, plastic or a similar suitable material provide a reasonable degree of protection Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-4---the-players-equipment#eQ6xwPiACFKorReA.99 So as long as his teeny tiny pads are covered by his socks and no-one decides he's not protected, he's fine. In my experience shinpads are mostly useful for sliding on, and the ankle protectors for stopping you taking a chunk out of your own ankle when selling dummies at full speed. Their usefulness in stopping leg-on-leg impacts is pretty difficult to ascertain, and I've seen enough broken legs with pads on to suggest they don't make much difference to the really dangerous ones - though who knows how many they prevent, it's basically impossible to tell unless the pad snaps and the leg doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 I'd take Grealish all day over JWP, actually seems to affect games. JWP does very little other than take a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 People saying Grealish makes more of an impact, but based on what? How many assists did each player get last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Jack Grealish has scored from open play in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Thought Grealish was excellent in a huge game at wembley against liverpool. He has also scored from open play JWP is far more reliable and more experienced acid test, who will get a full England cap first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 People saying Grealish makes more of an impact, but based on what? How many assists did each player get last season? Grealish 8 matches 2 assists, JWP 18 matches 1 penalty 8 assists, which puts him 16th of all midfielders in the Prem last season for assists according to fantasyleague.com (though they're quite generous with their assists and Ward-Prowse is basically now on all set pieces when he's on the pitch which must help). Have to say I haven't registered him having that kind of impact, it would be interesting to see which goals he assisted: http://www.fantasyleague.com/Classic/Stats/Player/james-ward-prowse.aspx West Ham (A) [i assume that was the quick corner to Schneiderlin, it was the second goal of the game anyway] Newcastle (H) last minute Schneiderlin goal to make it 4-0 Everton (H) assisted Lukaku's own goal 2 v Palace (A) on Boxing Day, Mane's opener and Alderweireld's in the second half (another corner?) Arsenal (H) NYD Mane's opener Newcastle (A) the first of Elia's goals Palace (H) FA Cup Pelle's opener on 9 mins Palace (H) League Mane for the only goal of the game. and his penalty against Hull. 1 assist and 1 penalty since we beat Newcastle up there on 17th January, which at least explains why people don't think he's been involved much, he hasn't really for the past 5 months, though he was better before that. FWIW Grealish only started his first league match on April 7th and has 3 assists since then (one in the FA Cup SF) which is why he looks to be a hot prospect at this exact moment in time. He's got 4 assists in the timeframe JWP has his assist and goal despite being unused or a sub for the first 3 months of that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 But in that same time JWP has been injured, had a suspension and not been a regular starter himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Thought Grealish was excellent in a huge game at wembley against liverpool. He has also scored from open play He hasn't scored at all yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 But in that same time JWP has been injured, had a suspension and not been a regular starter himself. Just explaining how people are getting that perception, no value judgement being made either way here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Thought Grealish was excellent in a huge game at wembley against liverpool. He has also scored from open play JWP is far more reliable and more experienced acid test, who will get a full England cap first JWP Probably if Grealish opts for the Republic of Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 JWP Probably if Grealish opts for the Republic of Ireland. If he doesnt? (he is English anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 He hasn't scored at all yet. you are right. thought he had for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Id have Jwp all day long Grelish is just this seasons Januzai he'll fade into obscurity next season those putting James down need to remember hes never really had a sustained length of games in 1 position and the short time he did he notched a quite a few assists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Prowsey starts for the U21's tonight. Targett on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Why is anyone even comparing them?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsbignose Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 When we signed Ryan the Villa fans were hardly up in arms that we got him instead of a loan/perm back with them so don't think you can always judge the impact a player is going to make until they are teamed with better players tbh. The fact that Grealish was ineffectual against us and Arsenal is due in no small part to how cack the other ten players were! You could have had Messi in that Villa team and I am sure he would have been less than stellar. I think Grealish has the potential to reach a higher level than JWP; although that doesn't mean he will fulfil it. I might be being harsh on JWP as you sometimes forget his age seeing as he seems to have been playing for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 12 June, 2015 Share Posted 12 June, 2015 He hasn't scored at all yet. He scored 5 times on loan to Notts County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 June, 2015 Share Posted 12 June, 2015 And that's relevant to a discussion about impact on Premier League how exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 June, 2015 Share Posted 12 June, 2015 Why is anyone even comparing them?! No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 12 June, 2015 Share Posted 12 June, 2015 Grealish needs to concentrate on his football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 12 June, 2015 Share Posted 12 June, 2015 He is just a kid, bless 'im. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 12 June, 2015 Share Posted 12 June, 2015 What the hell has this thread got to do with transfer rumours? Summer break = endless transfer rumour threads only!!!! Everything else should be stuck in a single 'aggregated non-transfer discussion' thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 12 June, 2015 Share Posted 12 June, 2015 Prowsey starts for the U21's tonight. Targett on the bench. Just as laughably ineffective for them as he has been for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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