Lallana's Left Peg Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 If a 15-20 million rated player can be replaced with a 3.5m player why wasn't everyone after him?? or are we taking a gamble that he will be as good as Clyne? It's always a gamble to replace. I always think it's better the Devil you know in football with players.
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 It's always a gamble to replace. I always think it's better the Devil you know in football with players. Which is why most managers sign players from their previous clubs.
RobM Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 If a 15-20 million rated player can be replaced with a 3.5m player why wasn't everyone after him?? or are we taking a gamble that he will be as good as Clyne? We can afford to take a gamble. While we as fans and everyone else associated with the club knows our ambitions, there isn't any real pressure to be a top-6 club every season. The clubs ahead of us who have that pressure may feel he is indeed a gamble and they need proven Prem experience, e.g. Clyne to Liverpool. But at the same time, we're sufficiently far enough ahead of those just below us (Wham, Swansea, Stoke etc) to be the more attractive option. What tends to happen is we buy players like this, if they don't work out they move on and are forgotten about and if they do well, other clubs take note and make offers. The only way that'll stop is if we progress even further up the league, meaning there are less clubs ahead of us who are a more attractive proposition.
Mr X Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 It's always a gamble to replace. I always think it's better the Devil you know in football with players. Can we not replace like for like or as a club do we always look for the cheapest option & hope it pays off?
buctootim Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Can we not replace like for like or as a club do we always look for the cheapest option & hope it pays off? We're replacing the RB for England (ranked 15 in the world) with the RB for Portugal (ranked 7 in the World) and booking a £10m profit. Not too bad. Anyway £20m players wont sign for us unless 1. we are overpaying 2. They are flawed. We have to make them, not buy them.
Mr X Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 We can afford to take a gamble. While we as fans and everyone else associated with the club knows our ambitions, there isn't any real pressure to be a top-6 club every season. The clubs ahead of us who have that pressure may feel he is indeed a gamble and they need proven Prem experience, e.g. Clyne to Liverpool. But at the same time, we're sufficiently far enough ahead of those just below us (Wham, Swansea, Stoke etc) to be the more attractive option. What tends to happen is we buy players like this, if they don't work out they move on and are forgotten about and if they do well, other clubs take note and make offers. The only way that'll stop is if we progress even further up the league, meaning there are less clubs ahead of us who are a more attractive proposition. answers my question!
Mallagroth Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 The Portuguese full-back said: “Southampton is a big, big club, and very respectable. It is a club with a lot of history. For me it is very important to play with a big club. I joined this club as I believe we can do better and better every year.” Isnt that the standard Liverpool player signing line, has someone explained to him which one of the clubs he has actually signed for, could be awkward... Although the confusion is understandable thanks to the continuing good work of agent Brendan. http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/06/19/cedric-soares-what-made-me-decide-to-sign-for-southampton/?
Mallagroth Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 His missus I Believe. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1706[/ATTACH] Nice hat
buctootim Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 His missus I Believe. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1706[/ATTACH] Is that a bikini or badly rubbed in sunscreen?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Is that a bikini or badly rubbed in sunscreen? How do you know its sunscreen?
Trout-Tickler Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 His missus I Believe. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1706[/ATTACH] Look forward to seeing her in Ocean Village!
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 His missus I Believe. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1706[/ATTACH] If you look at the reflections you can see a grubby leering old man.
the saint in winchester Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Maybe we paid £3.5M for HER and Cedric is a bonus. She's right up my street (wish she was).
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Maybe we paid £3.5M for HER and Cedric is a bonus. She's right up my street (wish she was). Is this another of those euphemisms with which I am not familiar?
jasonb Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 How do you know its sunscreen? Whatever it is its providing absolutely no support at all. And they say money can't buy you happiness. It can however, buy you tits that defy gravity.
northam soul Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 I assume he will be suspended for the start of the season after his sending off ?
S-Clarke Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 I assume he will be suspended for the start of the season after his sending off ? Wouldn't have thought so. That was a Portuguese cup match.
Saint_clark Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Wouldn't have thought so. That was a Portuguese cup match. Funny to think he could return to portugal in 10 years time and be suspended for his new club.
Batman Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20150619-cedric-soares-jose-fonte-2500249.aspx fonte tapping him up for us them...much like, I dunno, that **** gerrard with our players?
Saints foreva Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Yeah we won't like it if Clyne says similar when he signs for Liverpool.
Jimmy_D Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 There's a slight difference in that it was Cedric asking Fonte for advice by the look of it, and that it was to choose Saints over Stoke, rather than to leave his current club for Saints.
JakkoUK Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 It's also different in the fact that the majority of Saints fans have a bad taste for Liverpool since last years transfer episode, where as Sporting don't.
Batman Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 There's a slight difference in that it was Cedric asking Fonte for advice by the look of it, and that it was to choose Saints over Stoke, rather than to leave his current club for Saints. That is what he says. I doubt he is going to come out and say Jose was on at him to sign.
shurlock Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 It's also different in that he had rejected a new contract well before we appeared on the scene. The question was not whether he was leaving, but simply who he was going to join.
St Chalet Posted 31 July, 2015 Posted 31 July, 2015 I am in Portugal and got chatting to a Sporting Lisbon fan. He says that Cedric is the real deal going forward. Will suit the pace of the prem and will provide lots of good crosses etc. Less convinced about him defensively, says he started out as a right-mid and not a full back. Lots of interest in Southampton from Portugal now due to Fonte and Cedric.
farawaysaint Posted 31 July, 2015 Posted 31 July, 2015 I am in Portugal and got chatting to a Sporting Lisbon fan. He says that Cedric is the real deal going forward. Will suit the pace of the prem and will provide lots of good crosses etc. Less convinced about him defensively, says he started out as a right-mid and not a full back. Lots of interest in Southampton from Portugal now due to Fonte and Cedric. Don't we often do the same for our youth players?
david in sweden Posted 1 August, 2015 Posted 1 August, 2015 (edited) If a 15-20 million rated player can be replaced with a 3.5m player why wasn't everyone after him?? or are we taking a gamble that he will be as good as Clyne? In a sellers market, you can demand almost whatever price you want - if the other club is desperate enough to find someone. The selling price isn't necessarily related to the players quality, sometimes perhaps only because of one good season...(ex. Shaw/ Lovren) Signing any player is always a gamble,(form / fitness) but some of our best talent have been low-price purchases who were "coached-up" to a better level. Where many clubs make a mistake is in buying " a square peg to fit a round hole ". The player might be great in one side, but totally lost in another. The classic case of the Torres / Carroll deals is a typical example. Both players were almost " scoring for fun " in their clubs, but were abysmal after they moved. That fault lies with the manager. Last summer Brendan Rodgers bought both players in one of Saints' best-ever partnerships yet failed to play them at the same time. To keep on the subject - In just a few games, Cedric looks to be a great prospect. Will be interesting to see who gets the most caps (Clyne / Cedric). Edited 1 August, 2015 by david in sweden
david in sweden Posted 1 August, 2015 Posted 1 August, 2015 I am in Portugal and got chatting to a Sporting Lisbon fan. He says that Cedric is the real deal going forward. Will suit the pace of the prem and will provide lots of good crosses etc. Less convinced about him defensively, says he started out as a right-mid and not a full back. Lots of interest in Southampton from Portugal now due to Fonte and Cedric. I recall a lot of people said the same about Gareth Bale ..and perhaps Wayne Bridge, too? Time will tell. Sometimes a change of position can make a players career.....I can remember that Newcastle released one of their young teenage goalkeepers named Alan Shearer.... and then he signed as a Saints apprentice striker...(wonder what happened to him?) If you're very lucky - you can get another Jimmy Gabriel, who came to Saints (from Everton) in the late 1960's..and played in five different positions in one season - (including emergency goalie) - and didn't disgrace himself in any of them.
Saintsteve7 Posted 1 August, 2015 Posted 1 August, 2015 From what I saw on Thursday night he looks better/more composed going forward and is a better passer of the ball. What Clyne did better than most full backs was his 1v1 defensive work but it was difficult to judge Cedric on Thursday as he had so little to do. Looks very positive though so far.
VectisSaint Posted 1 August, 2015 Posted 1 August, 2015 I can remember that Newcastle released one of their young teenage goalkeepers named Alan Shearer.... and then he signed as a Saints apprentice striker...(wonder what happened to him?) Are you sure? Shearer was never on Newcastle's books before he joined us in 1986. He was previously with Wallsend Boys Club where he was spotted by our then Chief Scout Jack Hixon. I also don't recall any reference to him playing as a keeper, he originally played in midfield. Apparently he did trial for Newcastle as a keeper because they were short in that area not becuase it was his position but was rejected and was never on their books. Bale was not very good defensively, his best assets were the attacking side of his game. Bridge too always looked like a midfielder in the making, always liable to be caught on his outside when defending, nevertheless he had a decent career as a LB of course.
david in sweden Posted 1 August, 2015 Posted 1 August, 2015 Are you sure? Shearer was never on Newcastle's books before he joined us in 1986. He was previously with Wallsend Boys Club where he was spotted by our then Chief Scout Jack Hixon. I also don't recall any reference to him playing as a keeper, he originally played in midfield. Apparently he did trial for Newcastle as a keeper because they were short in that area not because it was his position but was rejected and was never on their books. Bale was not very good defensively, his best assets were the attacking side of his game. Bridge too always looked like a midfielder in the making, always liable to be caught on his outside when defending, nevertheless he had a decent career as a LB of course. well ....you sound as though you're more ITK than I am on that one.....I only recalled the story about the part I highlighted... .......obviously he never signed him as a schoolboy, nor did they see his potential as anything else......it cost them £16 million to correct the mistake....
SuperSAINT Posted 3 October, 2015 Posted 3 October, 2015 Thought this thread deserved a bump. Thought he was excellent today. Best game for us and will give him loads of confidence.
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 October, 2015 Posted 3 October, 2015 Thought this thread deserved a bump. Thought he was excellent today. Best game for us and will give him loads of confidence. I agree. We can only wonder what might have happened had he played against Man Utd.
the saint in winchester Posted 3 October, 2015 Posted 3 October, 2015 Agreed. 11 players had good games today but Cedric was my MOTM.
alpine_saint Posted 4 October, 2015 Posted 4 October, 2015 Thought this thread deserved a bump. Thought he was excellent today. Best game for us and will give him loads of confidence. Thought he was a gem when I saw him against Leipzig. But he is short. Will be dropped for some matches, I guess.
Saint IQ Posted 4 October, 2015 Posted 4 October, 2015 Thought this thread deserved a bump. Thought he was excellent today. Best game for us and will give him loads of confidence. I noticed he defended very well last week in 2nd half against Montero as well. Improved massively defensively, good job!
david in sweden Posted 4 October, 2015 Posted 4 October, 2015 Quite outstanding, in attack and defence. His best game so far - by a country mile - let's hope he's found his right style, and will go forward from here .......
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 Really starting to like this guy. Good going forward, decent in defence - one excellent block yesterday in particular - and willing to put himself on the line, especially with that head wound at the moment. Think we may have traded up on Clyne.
Saint_clark Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 Probably the best i've seen him yesterday, although he has a tendency to just boot it long even when under the slightest pressure and no-ones up top. Couple of weeks out the team definitely helped him muscle up and settle in with the team. Quite funny how some people were labelling him a waste of money at that point.
angelman Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 He does look like an astute buy. Compare him to Clyne yesterday, and it would be hard to be too upset about the situation. Very difficult to compare players, but an upgrade? Not so sure about that, but I wouldn't think it a downgrade.
Dig Dig Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 Probably the best i've seen him yesterday, although he has a tendency to just boot it long even when under the slightest pressure and no-ones up top. Couple of weeks out the team definitely helped him muscle up and settle in with the team. Quite funny how some people were labelling him a waste of money at that point. He was good yesterday but thought he was outstanding against Chelsea. That was definitely his standout performance for me.
John Boy Saint Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 Having maligned him not so long ago in another thread on here, I have been impressed with him too. Against Newcastle whether he was far too excited or just totally naive to the PL or both to get a silly yellow and taken off at half-time you did think, oh dear! At MK Dons he looked a bit lightweight too, and doubted very much to see him start against Swansea, and said as much. But there he was in the starting line up, when Montero came on I thought this should be interesting as he is a slippery whatsit when on his game, but Cedric kept him under control. It seems to have clicked for him which obviously shows that once again the back room sourcing team have found another good player with the nous and desire to make it work for himself, and the team.
angelman Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 I wouldn't under estimate the role that Fonte has in all this (of course just a supposition). He was one of the reasons Cedric came, and he is on record saying that he has been helped a lot by him off the pitch, so no doubt on the pitch as well. I am sure it does take time to adjust from a league where the football is a very different style, but at his current level he is just fine but I do expect him to carry on improving.
Saint Charlie Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 Getting better and better. Hopefully now has adjusted a bit to the pace of the game and can play 90mins most weeks.
Appy Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 Improved a great deal the last few weeks, which is big for us, we can't afford to rely on Yoshida or Martina.
Lighthouse Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 He has certainly improved since he first joined and people were spitting with rage that he wasn't immediately ready to play 90 minutes of every Premier League game. Certainly in the last 3 games I haven't felt as though we were missing Clyne, who has yet to find his form for Liverpool and hasn't really been in form since last Xmas to be brutally honest.
Verbal Kint Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 He has certainly improved since he first joined and people were spitting with rage that he wasn't immediately ready to play 90 minutes of every Premier League game. Certainly in the last 3 games I haven't felt as though we were missing Clyne, who has yet to find his form for Liverpool and hasn't really been in form since last Xmas to be brutally honest. Disagree about Clyne who is pretty consistent I think. solid defensively and nothing in the final third as his final ball has always been awful. Cedric has a lot more potential going forward and I think he'll become a better player eventually as his defending continues to improve
Mattio Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 I'm not really sure why everyone wrote him off so early, it was clear he had the potential going forward and having Koeman as a manager along with the experienced defenders in the squad meant he would always improve defensively.
The9 Posted 26 October, 2015 Posted 26 October, 2015 Having maligned him not so long ago in another thread on here, I have been impressed with him too. Against Newcastle whether he was far too excited or just totally naive to the PL or both to get a silly yellow and taken off at half-time you did think, oh dear! At MK Dons he looked a bit lightweight too, and doubted very much to see him start against Swansea, and said as much. But there he was in the starting line up, when Montero came on I thought this should be interesting as he is a slippery whatsit when on his game, but Cedric kept him under control. It seems to have clicked for him which obviously shows that once again the back room sourcing team have found another good player with the nous and desire to make it work for himself, and the team. Hardly a surprise that in matches where we were playing with only one first choice defender and one first choice DM from the previous season that we'd look disorganised at the back - Cedric was completely exposed by the midfield just as the rest of the defence was. I was more surprised that it didn't happen last season than that it did this. Bertrand getting fit, signing Van Dijk and Romeu, Wanyama coming back, and JWP starting to look like he deserves to start have all helped us get back some of the stability. If Cedric could go a couple of weeks without smashing his head open (three times and counting so far this season) that might not be a bad thing either.
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