S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2015 Share Posted 7 June, 2015 It's that Word Potential. I think we haven't seen him Play to his Potential. Can Koeman unlock him? I think he's got something. Certainly brings alot to Training. I like him. The Question is are there better options first to pursue?? If he was going to reach his potential, he would have done by now. He's 28 and by all accounts on a decline downwards. I would imagine there are plenty more capable players out there. Glad we dodged this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 June, 2015 Share Posted 7 June, 2015 Why do we think that the purchase price is a factor on whether we should sign him or not? If he's any good we'll get our money back when we sell him on. If he isn't then we shouldn't sign him in the first place. The only money issue to consider is his wages. In general I'd agree but not every player we buy will have a sell value Pelle certainly doesn't and I'm pretty sure we aren't going to make money on Shane long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 7 June, 2015 Share Posted 7 June, 2015 For 5 million euros is about 3.5 million pounds, I think thats a good deal for a player who can player well and give us depth, maybe see if we can be cheeky and get him for 3 million pounds, he knows the team and Koeman, IMO unless we find someone better who we think will also work well under RK we should sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 7 June, 2015 Share Posted 7 June, 2015 Sorry - hasn't done it for me. Time to say goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 June, 2015 Share Posted 7 June, 2015 I think he's a decent player but he wants to play left wing. If Rodriguez and Tadic are fit next season then he is likely to be third choice. Although I think the price would be very reasonable for a player of his talents, I'm not sure we should be signing a third choice at the expense of giving Gallagher, Sims, McQueen etc a chance off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 7 June, 2015 Share Posted 7 June, 2015 I think he's a decent player but he wants to play left wing. If Rodriguez and Tadic are fit next season then he is likely to be third choice. Although I think the price would be very reasonable for a player of his talents, I'm not sure we should be signing a third choice at the expense of giving Gallagher, Sims, McQueen etc a chance off the bench. I probably agree with this. There is a good player in there somewhere but I don't think he has shown enough to be considered first choice. When we signed him there was doubt about JRod's contract and he was probably seen as a possible replacement but with Jay definitely staying he is probably surplus to requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 9 June, 2015 Share Posted 9 June, 2015 @ELJERO11ELIA accept ?!?! 10:48pm - 9 Jun 15 A cryptic tweet from Eljero tonight. A permanent offer from us maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 June, 2015 Share Posted 9 June, 2015 A cryptic tweet from Eljero tonight. A permanent offer from us maybe? Let's hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 9 June, 2015 Share Posted 9 June, 2015 Harsh (but fair S-Clarke?)... His profile reads "Player At SouthamptonFC #Saints". No idea if this is significant and no mention of Werder Bremen at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 June, 2015 Share Posted 9 June, 2015 Harsh (but fair S-Clarke?)... His profile reads "Player At SouthamptonFC #Saints". No idea if this is significant and no mention of Werder Bremen at all. I think his profile has read that for a while. To be honest, I don't think he's very good. Didn't do anything other than 2 deflected shots against Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 I think his profile has read that for a while. To be honest, I don't think he's very good. Didn't do anything other than 2 deflected shots against Newcastle. Clarkey, you seem not to rate Elia to about the same degree I can't see enough quality in JWP. I can see Elia staying as a squad player - he is probably a slightly better player than your assessments of him, just as Ward-Prowse is probably a tad better than the rating I give him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Clarkey, you seem not to rate Elia to about the same degree I can't see enough quality in JWP. I can see Elia staying as a squad player - he is probably a slightly better player than your assessments of him, just as Ward-Prowse is probably a tad better than the rating I give him. But keeping JwP will not cost us anything extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Clarkey, you seem not to rate Elia to about the same degree I can't see enough quality in JWP. I can see Elia staying as a squad player - he is probably a slightly better player than your assessments of him, just as Ward-Prowse is probably a tad better than the rating I give him. " deflected shots ", Clarkey?... at the end of the 93 minutes...a goal is a goal....and two goals are even better no matter how they go in ..and as for the 3 points ..well...say no more ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 He has shown flashes of quality in his play from what I saw last season, and I thought he linked well with Bertrand down the left. Personally, I would be interested to see what he could bring having done a full pre-season with us. He came in during January, having been out of favour at his old club, and has never had a continued run in the first team. I'm struggling to think of any player who has ever made the kind of impact some people on here expect in such circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Have to agree with Bexy Presumably also, the coaching staff can see what's what on the training pitch, even if it isn't carried across in games. They are obviously on both a better position and vastly more qualified to make a decision than the rest of us, so if they offer him a contract, that's good enough with me. Shame that we didn't take Osvaldo and Ramirez on a trial loan period before signing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 " deflected shots ", Clarkey?... at the end of the 93 minutes...a goal is a goal....and two goals are even better no matter how they go in ..and as for the 3 points ..well...say no more ! Frank Lampard made a living out of deflected shots. Before anyone starts crying I'm not comparing Elia to Lampard. I quite Like Elia and if cheap I'd take him - pretty much what Bexy says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 I've always assumed we'd keep him - but would be slightly disappointed if we did. I think he can do a job from the bench & offer depth to the squad, but with our scouting & black-box I would've liked to have thought we could've found better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 I've always assumed we'd keep him - but would be slightly disappointed if we did. I think he can do a job from the bench & offer depth to the squad, but with our scouting & black-box I would've liked to have thought we could've found better. There's a big difference between the possible of how a player might acclimatise to the set up and fit into the side and the reality - no amount of stat matching will give us the level of information we get from Elia having actually played matches. As with Long, I think his defensive work is massively underrated despite being essential to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Think some of you are daft... saints into the Europa league, we need depth to our squad and Elia fits the bill, how can you see bye to Elia but nearly have a stroke if the club decided to get rid of JWP who has offered no more than Elia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Think some of you are daft... saints into the Europa league, we need depth to our squad and Elia fits the bill, how can you see bye to Elia but nearly have a stroke if the club decided to get rid of JWP who has offered no more than Elia The decision has already been made, but Elia would cost money whereas JWP is already here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 There's definitely a good player in there. Depends on the price but if it's around 2/3 mil I'd take a punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Think some of you are daft... saints into the Europa league, we need depth to our squad and Elia fits the bill, how can you see bye to Elia but nearly have a stroke if the club decided to get rid of JWP who has offered no more than Elia Elia is 28. JWP is 20. JWP still has plenty of developing to do. Elia is pretty much as good as he is going to get and he's not that good. He is a journeyman who never stays at a club for more than 2 years before moving on because he can't get into the team, adapt to the style etc. etc. I know we need depth but out of all the thousands of players out there why sign the one who has already proven he isn't good enough? Take a risk on someone else, not a player who has failed to deliver for the last 5 years. If you just want depth, sign me. It'll do it for £2k a week and I'm available on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 He is not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 I haven't seen enough from him to be particularly fussed whether he stays or gets moved on. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the suggestion that Big Ron wants him here, but is supposedly being overruled by the transfer committee. Koeman knows the player and must rate him if he wants to keep him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 He has shown flashes of quality in his play from what I saw last season, and I thought he linked well with Bertrand down the left. Personally, I would be interested to see what he could bring having done a full pre-season with us. He came in during January, having been out of favour at his old club, and has never had a continued run in the first team. I'm struggling to think of any player who has ever made the kind of impact some people on here expect in such circumstances. Yep I totally agree with this and personally think he is worth the punt. If we get to the Europa league group stages next season then we will need this kind of depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 I haven't seen enough from him to be particularly fussed whether he stays or gets moved on. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the suggestion that Big Ron wants him here, but is supposedly being overruled by the transfer committee. Koeman knows the player and must rate him if he wants to keep him here. I see that as a strength actually. It means that the club has a system and is sticking to it. When Koeman is lured out the door to another club, it means we'll have continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Elia is 28. JWP is 20. JWP still has plenty of developing to do. Elia is pretty much as good as he is going to get and he's not that good. He is a journeyman who never stays at a club for more than 2 years before moving on because he can't get into the team, adapt to the style etc. etc. I know we need depth but out of all the thousands of players out there why sign the one who has already proven he isn't good enough? Take a risk on someone else, not a player who has failed to deliver for the last 5 years. If you just want depth, sign me. It'll do it for £2k a week and I'm available on a free. Agree 100% - haven't seen anything from Elia to suggest he's got a place here whereas JWP is almost a decade younger and is just starting out in his career. Maybe a bit harsh on Elia because he's not had an easy time of it and he's clearly committed to playing for Koeman but I don't think he's good enough. JWP has the added bonus of costing £0.00 to keep, he's from the academy and he's got huge potential whereas Elia is washed up. No brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 It's a shame but I think the correct decision. Elia had impact against Newcastle and a cracking game at Old Trafford, making Phil Jones look as average as he is, but that's all. Great feet, good pace but nothing to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Anything over £2.5m and I'd look elsewhere or use someone from the accademy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 10 June, 2015 Share Posted 10 June, 2015 Seemed a nice chap though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Sorry - hasn't done it for me. Time to say goodbye. I'd find it difficult to disagree with that, but I remember that horrible patch Mane went through last Autumn when people began to compare him to Ali Dia .. perhaps the concensus is ....if we buy him for £2 million and he flops, it's not too bad, but better than paying £5 million...with the same end result ...ala Mayuka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Think some of you are daft... Saints into the Europa league, we need depth to our squad and Elia fits the bill, how can you say bye to Elia but nearly have a stroke if the club decided to get rid of JWP who has offered no more than Elia Agree 100%. Yes Elia is that much older then JWP (who is the future - or so we're led to believe), but Elia has a good career history and that experience at EL level is vital.) .......in some games it's obvious that JWP (for all his potential) is still fighting to come to terms with Prem. football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 I'd find it difficult to disagree with that, but I remember that horrible patch Mane went through last Autumn when people began to compare him to Ali Dia .. perhaps the concensus is ....if we buy him for £2 million and he flops, it's not too bad, but better than paying £5 million...with the same end result ...ala Mayuka. Except Mayuka cost no more than £3.5m: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?39722-Emmanuel-Mayuka-Officially-Signed-on-OS-Work-Permit-Confirmed/page3&highlight=mayuka+sign#.VXyIjflViko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Elia is turd. And before anyone says about Newcastle, his two goals were a goalkeeper error and a flukey deflection. He was a very disappointing signing and thankfully it was just a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Personally I thought I saw flashes of a very useful player. He seems to have a quick footballing brain. IMO if Koeman rates him then that should hold a lot of sway. It seems to me he is a better judge than a lot of the committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Elia is turd. And before anyone says about Newcastle, his two goals were a goalkeeper error and a flukey deflection. He was a very disappointing signing and thankfully it was just a loan. That performance was about more than the goals, his link up play, flicks and running were excellent. That said, he doesn't appear able to do it consistently so I'd look elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 Except Mayuka cost no more than £3.5m: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?39722-Emmanuel-Mayuka-Officially-Signed-on-OS-Work-Permit-Confirmed/page3&highlight=mayuka+sign#.VXyIjflViko the same principle though " 9 ".....don't think Mayuka has done anything to justify that fee - do you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 June, 2015 Share Posted 13 June, 2015 the same principle though " 9 ".....don't think Mayuka has done anything to justify that fee - do you ? No, he's been utterly pants and hasn't justified any fee at all at any point, but you implied we paid nearly 30% more than we did for him, which would be significant if he hadn't been so gash, and certainly could be the difference between a yes and a no in Elia's case. I maintain he's worth having based on the Newcastle and Man U performances, his defensive work, his knowledge of how Saints works and the investment in time we've already made in him, his European experience, and his potential to improve under our care. But he's not worth more than £40k a week and I wouldn't pay more than £4.5m for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 No, he's been utterly pants and hasn't justified any fee at all at any point, but you implied we paid nearly 30% more than we did for him, which would be significant if he hadn't been so gash, and certainly could be the difference between a yes and a no in Elia's case. I maintain he's worth having based on the Newcastle and Man U performances, his defensive work, his knowledge of how Saints works and the investment in time we've already made in him, his European experience, and his potential to improve under our care. But he's not worth more than £40k a week and I wouldn't pay more than £4.5m for him. I would agree, but only if he would not be a dressing room problem if he doesn't work out. Clearly, for example, Mayuka has not been a problem where as Osvaldo was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 Its frightening to think that such a mediocre player should be able to command those sort of wages . Even 15k a week seems undeserving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 (edited) No, he's been utterly pants and hasn't justified any fee at all at any point, but you implied we paid nearly 30% more than we did for him, which would be significant if he hadn't been so gash, and certainly could be the difference between a yes and a no in Elia's case. I maintain he's worth having based on the Newcastle and Man U performances, his defensive work, his knowledge of how Saints works and the investment in time we've already made in him, his European experience, and his potential to improve under our care. But he's not worth more than £40k a week and I wouldn't pay more than £4.5m for him. I'm really not looking for an arguement over this. The figure I quoted for Mayuka's transfer was £3.5 million (taken from Transfer Market). I haven't seen a figure quoted for a fee for Elia. If it is (rumoured) £5 million - it's way too much, but IMO he'd be worth a "chance" if we paid... (say) £2 mill. My point was that I'm sure fans would squirm at paying £5 million for an unproven loan player who may turn out to be a "flop". Though I hope not. I wasn't "comparing the fees" in the same way you have done, bit IMO - the fact that we paid £3.5 for Mayuka, plus the salaries he's received already (guess around £1.5 - £2 million ?) - means we've already paid out a lot of money for a player who's brought absolutely nothing to the team. The bottom line is Elia is worth a gamble for £2 million, but Mayuka who may be out of loan AGAIN next season, has (financially speaking) been a total liability, although in today's market - where £8-10 million seem to be " the norm",- then it sounds like chicken feed to be discussing this level of fee. Edited 14 June, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2015 Share Posted 14 June, 2015 I'd find it difficult to disagree with that, but I remember that horrible patch Mane went through last Autumn when people began to compare him to Ali Dia .. perhaps the concensus is ....if we buy him for £2 million and he flops, it's not too bad, but better than paying £5 million...with the same end result ...ala Mayuka. I'm really not looking for an argument over this. The figure I quoted for Mayuka's transfer was £3.5 million (taken from Transfer Market) You didn't quote a figure for Mayuka, but you implied it was £5m, above. "paying £5m... with the same end result... a la Mayuka". Agreed overall, and I've already said what my opinion of Elia's worth to Saints is above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/4160/extra-time/2016/05/05/23151352/eljero-elias-new-tattoo-fail-could-not-be-any-worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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