doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2015 Share Posted 26 May, 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/the-premier-leagues-11-dirtiest-players/ar-BBkfoJ3?ocid=U218DHP Saints have two players in the list as well as the dubious honour of having the dirtest player in the PL....... take a bow Victor Wanyama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 26 May, 2015 Share Posted 26 May, 2015 Nice one big Vic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2015 Share Posted 26 May, 2015 Hmmm, a lot of DMs and CMs in that list, it's where you need to be hard and uncompromising to be a good player. No room for wimps and fair play statistics lovers in DM I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2015 Hmmm, a lot of DMs and CMs in that list, it's where you need to be hard and uncompromising to be a good player. No room for wimps and fair play statistics lovers in DM I'm afraid. Except for Pelle. All though to be fair I don't think he, or Lambert before him, gets the rub of the green from most refs who seem to assume a big centre forward must be in the wrong when two players come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 26 May, 2015 Share Posted 26 May, 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/the-premier-leagues-11-dirtiest-players/ar-BBkfoJ3?ocid=U218DHP Saints have two players in the list as well as the dubious honour of having the dirtest player in the PL....... take a bow Victor Wanyama That list in itself is retarded. The nature of what they are measuring means that the dirtiest players i.e those with straight reds get 3 match ban so it takes fair bit out of their playing time (sissosko 6 games without looking at yellows), where as vic made more fouls as he nearly squeaked by the entire season without getting banned so played more games hence racked up more points. A better way would be to work out points to game ratios, calling MLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 26 May, 2015 Share Posted 26 May, 2015 (edited) Instantly discredited the moment I found out Fellaini wasn't No.1 Edited 27 May, 2015 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 26 May, 2015 Share Posted 26 May, 2015 I think the dirtiest players are the most malicious or the ones who make career threatening tackles. I don't put Wanyama in that category. Also no account is made for the ratio of bookings to tackles. surely also a red card should be heavily weighted as some yellows are pretty innocuous and are tactical rather than nasty. Also if you're built like a brick outhouse then skinny little runts just bounce off you making it look worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 May, 2015 Share Posted 26 May, 2015 Read the title and instantly thought Wanyama. My other pick though was Mané, as he falls over quite a bit. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 That list in itself is retarded. The nature of what they are measuring means that the dirtiest players i.e those with straight reds get 3 match ban so it takes fair bit out of their playing time (sissosko 6 games without looking at yellows), where as vic made more fouls as he nearly squeaked by the entire season without getting banned so played more games hence racked up more points. A better way would be to work out points to game ratios, calling MLG He missed two games purely through getting booked so much, so not really sure your point about him getting to play more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Except for Pelle. All though to be fair I don't think he, or Lambert before him, gets the rub of the green from most refs who seem to assume a big centre forward must be in the wrong when two players come together. Pelle would win The "most fouled but least free kicks awarded to him" award by a country mile! And as said, very much in the same manner as SRL would have won it last season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 1. Lee Cattermole 2. Lee Cattermole 3. Lee Cattermole 4. Lee Cattermole 5. Lee Cattermole 6. Lee Cattermole 7. Lee Cattermole 8. Lee Cattermole 9. Lee Cattermole 10. Lee Cattermole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 1. Lee Cattermole 2. Lee Cattermole 3. Lee Cattermole 4. Lee Cattermole 5. Lee Cattermole 6. Lee Cattermole 7. Lee Cattermole 8. Lee Cattermole 9. Lee Cattermole 10. Lee Cattermole I think there should be a space for Fellini and his flaying elbows that have decked several players this season with little response from the officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Read the title and instantly thought Wanyama. My other pick though was Mané, as he falls over quite a bit. Hey ho. I was expecting Morgan to be in there, considering how many bookings he has had and how many times refs have given fouls against him for simply doing his job of putting in tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 I honestly think that Big Vic is a victim of his size and general appearance, he just seems to stand out and refs never seem to miss it when he transgresses. The fact that people bounce off him is hardly his fault ! If he was more like Dennis Wise he could get away with murder ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Instantly discredited the moment I found at Fellaini wasn't No.1 Actually agree with this. Horrible player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Fellaini, without doubt. Every game he pretty much gets away with assault... didn't at Hull though. I don't wish ill on any player but for him I always make an exception. A snide, sneaky bully... someone should properly stick one on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Wonder how many fouls against Pelle went unrecorded.I saw them in every game he played this season.Most of the time it was shirt pulling and wrestling against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Any list that fails to include the likes of Charlie Adam is seriously flawed. Pelle's bookings include several for dissent etc which hardly makes him a 'dirty player'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 oops.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Read the title and instantly thought Wanyama. My other pick though was Mané, as he falls over quite a bit. Hey ho. Falling over isn't 'dirty' though...Mane just makes the most of tackles. Could he stay on his feet? Probably. Is it embarrassing? for sure. to his credit, he's won a lot of free kicks by doing it. I remember watching ghana uganda and people were rolling around all over the place. Maybe its more common in african countries and its just accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Fellaini, without doubt. Every game he pretty much gets away with assault... didn't at Hull though. I don't wish ill on any player but for him I always make an exception. A snide, sneaky bully... someone should properly stick one on him. Add Shawcross to that list. Every time I see Stoke I'm amazed at how many off-the ball hits they manage to make during the course of every challenge, which go unpunished. Shawcross (and Adam) usually get a forearm to the head in on every header and two of them for a challenge from behind on the touchline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Falling over isn't 'dirty' though...Mane just makes the most of tackles. Could he stay on his feet? Probably. Is it embarrassing? for sure. to his credit, he's won a lot of free kicks by doing it. I remember watching ghana uganda and people were rolling around all over the place. Maybe its more common in african countries and its just accepted I think there was a "joke" there about landing in mud being dirty, which doesn't work as pitches aren't muddy any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 I think there was a "joke" there about landing in mud being dirty, which doesn't work as pitches aren't muddy any more. darn. there for the taking. I was too slow. I miss those days of getting covered in mud when sliding, rather than getting plastic burns from artificial turf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Where's Wes Brown? He IS 'that type of player'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLiam Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Wonder how many fouls against Pelle went unrecorded.I saw them in every game he played this season.Most of the time it was shirt pulling and wrestling against him. I remember Chris Smalling at OT was ruthlessly tugging at his shirt, he gets no protection from refs because he's bigger and somehow shouldn't be going down based on that factor Smalling probably wanted to take his shirt off. Then again, we probably all do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 no Ivanović? that guy is a mauler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 (edited) http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/the-premier-leagues-11-dirtiest-players/ar-BBkfoJ3?ocid=U218DHP Saints have two players in the list as well as the dubious honour of having the dirtest player in the PL....... take a bow Victor Wanyama ....if it's possible to defend him, we should add that the man is a real mountain of muscle and going up against him must be a real challenge for weaklings who fall easily.... if we could put him in a time machine, a centre back pairing of him with John McGrath would have been a real sight to see....... Edited 27 May, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Any list that fails to include the likes of Charlie Adam is seriously flawed. Pelle's bookings include several for dissent etc which hardly makes him a 'dirty player'. My initial thought too. Along with Shawcross and N'Zonzi. The lot of 'em are thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scdean Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 Instantly discredited the moment I found out Fellaini wasn't No.1 exactly this! I know this has been done on stats, but if you were going to do a player-of-the-year type vote, the Afroman would win hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockbridge_saint Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 I instantly thought of Charlie Adam too, he's a far dirtier player than someone like Wanyama because you can see the intent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric The Red Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 I agree the stats are fundamentally flawed. The dirtiest player is the one that commits the most fouls/collects the most bookings per minute, or strictly speaking least minutes per foul/booking as even Cattermole can't manage more than 1 foul every 60 seconds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 68 fouls in a season? That can't be right......every game he gives 3 or 4 at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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