alpine_saint Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 He's hated wider and more strongly than anyone on the forum for years, but does seem to reserve special hate for Ramirez since day 1. A lot seems to be about him being Uruguayan which I don't get. Unless...do Uruguay have a rugby team? Nothing specific to being Ururguayan per se. More to do with his ability to fly a trip of 7000 miles, be fit to play a game with a few day's notice, but need weeks for the return trip and being fit to play again. If its true he's never managed 3 pro games in a row, he's a f**king malingerer of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 He never replied to Seville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 He never replied to Seville During the summer someone on Sevilleweb called Pulmones el Cangrejo knew all about this. The stuff he knew about what phone calls weren't returned would make your eyes water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 During the summer someone on Sevilleweb called Pulmones el Cangrejo knew all about this. The stuff he knew about what phone calls weren't returned would make your eyes water. ....... go on - make our eyes water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 During the summer someone on Sevilleweb called Pulmones el Cangrejo knew all about this. The stuff he knew about what phone calls weren't returned would make your eyes water. Well I had a proper laugh at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 SFC, yes, but RK, no. SFC look prepared to give RK his own mind on things based on previous signings. It's all down to RK in my opinion. I agree. Steven Davis/Gazzaniga are good examples of how he's been given the space to make up his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 During the summer someone on Sevilleweb called Pulmones el Cangrejo knew all about this. The stuff he knew about what phone calls weren't returned would make your eyes water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 FWIW I wouldn't mind us keeping Djuricic. I think he's looked decent when he's been given the chance, possibly depends on wages. Nothing spectacular but would be a good squad player next season. On the other hand I just don't rate Elia at all. As a wide player he has barely offered a thing. To be fair to Elia, he supplied three points against the toon. As for Djuricic I've got to agree. Very tidy player, I'd be pleased if we got him on a permanent, been impressed every time I've seen him. The Gaston thing I just don't understand at all. We weren't the only club after him when he signed, and there was the lawro sneering we all remember, so why have two managers pretty much ignored him? iirc he was a first choice starter for uruguay, surely we must have seen something in him to fork out the fee/wages? (That said, I don't get the Osvaldo signing either.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 iirc he was a first choice starter for uruguay, surely we must have seen something in him to fork out the fee/wages? Gaston has never been regular first choice for Uruguay. He has 34 caps, but has only started in 11 of them, and only played the full 90' in 2 of those. We saw potential for an exciting AM who showed up well at the Olympics playing for the U23s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 During the summer someone on Sevilleweb called Pulmones el Cangrejo knew all about this. The stuff he knew about what phone calls weren't returned would make your eyes water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 30 May, 2015 Share Posted 30 May, 2015 Gaston has never been regular first choice for Uruguay. He has 34 caps, but has only started in 11 of them, and only played the full 90' in 2 of those. We saw potential for an exciting AM who showed up well at the Olympics playing for the U23s. Yep, who'd of thought back then the better signing for us from the u23 Olympics would be Yoshida not Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 30 May, 2015 Share Posted 30 May, 2015 I believe everyone will be given a fair chance in pre-season and then shipped off Everyone? Oh no, not again. Let's hope this strengthens contract negotiations ...please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 31 May, 2015 Share Posted 31 May, 2015 Lets hope he makes Uruguay's Copa America team and shines..just to put him in the spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2015 Share Posted 31 May, 2015 Lets hope he makes Uruguay's Copa America team and shines..just to put him in the spotlight. It was announced on 23rd May and he isn't in it. He is injured, having missed the end of Hull's season he came back to Staplewood early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Could this be true???? https://www.clubcall.com/southampton/12m-misfit-wanted-by-former-club-1771983.html If we could get 1/3rd back that would be great, but somehow I suspect not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 Could this be true???? https://www.clubcall.com/southampton/12m-misfit-wanted-by-former-club-1771983.html If we could get 1/3rd back that would be great, but somehow I suspect not. If we could get 4m for him with one year left on his contract that would seem like a decent deal and given we have had him for 3 years (including on loan) we could effectively write off 9m, so 4m would even seem like a small profit :-) Still think he is better than Djuricic or Elia and would probably do well for us in Europa, but it seems like those who really count see his future elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 June, 2015 Share Posted 11 June, 2015 (edited) Hull City would probably have paid us a loan fee to have Ramirez on loan. As would Inter Milan, Juventus and Boca Juniors for Osvaldo. So that is recouping some of the money as well, plus some of their fees from Roma and Bologna would probably have been for appearances/goals etc which neither has a great deal of for us so we wouldn't have paid the full price. Edited 11 June, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 (edited) To be fair to Elia, he supplied three points against the toon. As for Djuricic I've got to agree. Very tidy player, I'd be pleased if we got him on a permanent, been impressed every time I've seen him. The Gaston thing I just don't understand at all. We weren't the only club after him when he signed, and there was the lawro sneering we all remember, so why have two managers pretty much ignored him? iirc he was a first choice starter for Uruguay, surely we must have seen something in him to fork out the fee/wages? (That said, I don't get the Osvaldo signing either.) well ...I certainly NOT ITK, but my take on these would be ; Gaston....probably had a good season the year before and being fairly young-ish, we thought he would fit into with the up-and-coming post-Academy generation . He was surely over-rated (and TBF we don't know for who else had even made a proper bid for him)...plus in one interview he expressed shock at the huge salary we agreed, and it was an offer he simply couldn't refuse. In the end; he showed few flashes of brilliance, rarely got the nod ahead of Lallana, seemed injury-prone and almost never managed a full 90 mins.- whenever he was selected to start. I'd also add that (well-worn phrase - failed to adapt to the rigours of the Premier League) in other words - wasn't tough enough to ride a tackle. Bottom line; a costly mistake, who should never have been signed, and certainly not at that fee and salary. Osvaldo: A former Pochettino player whom he adored, but who had an atrocious record of bad behaviour both on-and-off the pitch, which we chose to ignore. MP must have thought that he could "tame the beast" , but clearly he didn't know him as well as he thought. IF he was selected via the " Black Box " ....then they ought to junk the whole thing now and buy a new laptop installed with Football Manager 2016. I just think Cortese allowed MP to buy him to keep the Argentinian happy....Admittedly, Osvaldo has some skill(as we saw with his goal at SMS v. Man City), but the rest of the time he was just an catastrophe waiting to happen, and his bout of fisticuffs with Fonte was the last straw. The financial burden the club has to sustain for these two excessive transfer fees... AND the resulting contracts, and huge salaries ...must be laid clearly on the shoulders of the former Chairman (Cortese)...who seem to be responsible to no-one (except himself) and he must have made some extra friends in Italy by sanctioning these two very ill-judged transfers. END of..... Edited 15 June, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 That "football is about moments" quote from Emery at Sevilla should be running on a banner on this site every time someone considers whether we should pick the reserves in the FA Cup or League Cup last 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 That "football is about moments" quote from Emery at Sevilla should be running on a banner on this site every time someone considers whether we should pick the reserves in the FA Cup or League Cup last 16. I agree. I do think the actual moment we qualify for the Champions League for the first time will be right up there. And the Europa Cup provides us with chances for moments this coming season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 June, 2015 Share Posted 15 June, 2015 ...the actual moment we qualify for the Champions League for the first time will be right up there. And the Europa Cup provides us with chances for moments this coming season as well. Possibly both at the same time if we win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 17 June, 2015 Share Posted 17 June, 2015 If we could get 4m for him with one year left on his contract that would seem like a decent deal and given we have had him for 3 years (including on loan) we could effectively write off 9m, so 4m would even seem like a small profit :-) Still think he is better than Djuricic or Elia and would probably do well for us in Europa, but it seems like those who really count see his future elsewhere. "Southampton signed Ramirez from Italian outfit Bologna but he is unlikely to return to the club given they now play their football in Serie B". I agree with that. Too high a level for Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 17 June, 2015 Share Posted 17 June, 2015 "Southampton signed Ramirez from Italian outfit Bologna but he is unlikely to return to the club given they now play their football in Serie B". I agree with that. Too high a level for Ramirez. They got promoted last year, they're back in Serie A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 June, 2015 Share Posted 17 June, 2015 "Southampton signed Ramirez from Italian outfit Bologna but he is unlikely to return to the club given they now play their football in Serie B". They don't. If you had read the original link you would have noticed it referred to Bologna's return to Serie A, the whole reason for the speculation in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 17 June, 2015 Share Posted 17 June, 2015 maintained that he wasnt good enough for the premiership and a complete waste of money that never delivered on his obvious talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinrichards102 Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 Realise that we've moved on, he's sucking us dry etc. but was wondering if anyone actually knows what is currently up with the lad? Is he injured or training? Are we trying to sell, or do the staff think there's something there? Sent from my D2403 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 Realise that we've moved on, he's sucking us dry etc. but was wondering if anyone actually knows what is currently up with the lad? Is he injured or training? Are we trying to sell, or do the staff think there's something there? He has been in several training picture galleries over the last couple of weeks. There is not much wrong with him, but doesn't get selected for the squad. Latest gallery from yesterday: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20150828-training-gallery-pre-norwich-city-home-2654431.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 I wonder if there's any chance that a big slice of his fee will become due if he makes many more starts for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemons Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 He has been in several training picture galleries over the last couple of weeks. There is not much wrong with him, but doesn't get selected for the squad. Latest gallery from yesterday: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20150828-training-gallery-pre-norwich-city-home-2654431.aspx You've gotta assume then that the club will be trying to move him on and no one's biting. Which says everything about how far a record signing who was paraded in front of the whole stadium has fallen. Sent from my D2403 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 I'm hoping he's on the bench tomorrow, extra creativity that we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 He has been in several training picture galleries over the last couple of weeks. There is not much wrong with him, but doesn't get selected for the squad. Latest gallery from yesterday: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20150828-training-gallery-pre-norwich-city-home-2654431.aspx He was in the De Vere with his agent (I assume) on Thursday night, well technically early Friday morning - I noticed them post drowning my sorrows, they were sat on a sofa by the lift going through some documents. He looked sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 He looked sad. The gravy train is leaving the station soon , maybe he's worried there's nobody else he can nick a living off . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 The gravy train is leaving the station soon , maybe he's worried there's nobody else he can nick a living off . Or maybe he had just eaten in the De Vere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 Or maybe he had just eaten in the De Vere. Had a vile pint of Guinness in there once. Second worse one I've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 On the off chance that he's still here on Wednesday....will we use him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 Had a vile pint of Guinness in there once. Second worse one I've ever had. Where was the worst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 On the off chance that he's still here on Wednesday....will we use him? Knowing our luck we will, he will be bloody amazing for the next 9 months and then bugger off on a free (with Alpine going into meltdown that we didn't sort his contract out). Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 He looked sad. Pompey have made an offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 August, 2015 Share Posted 29 August, 2015 Knowing our luck we will, he will be bloody amazing for the next 9 months and then bugger off on a free (with Alpine going into meltdown that we didn't sort his contract out). Maybe. The boy's got talent. He just needs time to show us what he is made of. He'll come good in time, just needs a bit more....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 August, 2015 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2015 The boy's got talent. He just needs time to show us what he is made of. He'll come good in time, just needs a bit more....! Agreed, he is one for the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Seeing as he is here til Jan unless he goes on loan to the Championship we might as well make some use of him. Wonder if he will play any U21 matches to try and get some fitness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 (edited) Seeing as he is here til Jan unless he goes on loan to the Championship we might as well make some use of him. Wonder if he will play any U21 matches to try and get some fitness? The MK Dons game in the League Cup would be a good opportunity for him. Edited 1 September, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 You've gotta assume then that the club will be trying to move him on and no one's biting. Which says everything about how far a record signing who was paraded in front of the whole stadium has fallen. Sent from my D2403 using Tapatalk Sadly it happens to some players. We are not the only club to buy a player and for whatever reason it doesn't work out. He clearly can play but it doesn't look like the Premiership suits him. I hope he finds a decent club elsewhere and revitalises his career if he is done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 September, 2015 Author Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Sadly it happens to some players. We are not the only club to buy a player and for whatever reason it doesn't work out. He clearly can play but it doesn't look like the Premiership suits him. I hope he finds a decent club elsewhere and revitalises his career if he is done here. Are you sure he is done here ? We could play him in the League Cup games and possibly the FA Cup games. If he comes good maybe consider him as an impact game in the EPL games ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Hope he comes good, great opportunity for him now although history would suggest no point in getting hopes up. Still believe there is a good maverick in there somewhere. Unlike any player we have in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 he will probably go out on loan, still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 he will probably go out on loan, still To the Championship? He can't go to Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Portugal etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Will be interesting to see how we use him from here on in. He'll clearly be here until January at the very least, can't imagine we'll be paying him to sit about if he's fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 Will be interesting to see how we use him from here on in. He'll clearly be here until January at the very least, can't imagine we'll be paying him to sit about if he's fit. Agree. I half imagined he'd go off to Italy or Turkey, cut-price. He's so frustrating because he's clearly got talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 1 September, 2015 Share Posted 1 September, 2015 The MK Dons game in the League Cup would be a good opportunity for him. That'll be us out of the cups early again then. To the Championship? He can't go to Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Portugal etc. Or league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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