trousers Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Did I miss something? Did hundreds of people just die??? Metaphorically or literally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGF Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Still not on Saints OS, perhaps they are saving the bad news till they have some good news. I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 If your hero Lowe died there would be street parties in Southampton. My hero, jeez Stanley have you morphed into Alpine or something? As for your comment, this is just football we are talking about. I used to think Saints fans were decent people but comments like that make me wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Metaphorically or literally? I am sure the families of the people who lost loved ones would love your comparison with what is going on at a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 My hero, jeez Stanley have you morphed into Alpine or something? As for your comment, this is just football we are talking about. I used to think Saints fans were decent people but comments like that make me wonder. How can you talk of decency? You support Lowe and that makes you a traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I am sure the families of the people who lost loved ones would love your comparison with what is going on at a football club. I'm sure that, 96 years after the event, they wouldn't be all that bothered and would have the sense to realise it was a throw-away comment on a football message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 cork was always positive about the club saying that we are too good to go down and that the tide will change blah blah blah. He has finally seen the light that we have been seeing for the last few months and now knows we have a cat in hells chance of staying up under the current regime. Shame he has left us at our lowest point but I can understand his motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 It's on the OS now. OS says it was HIS (Cork's) decision to link up again with Brendan Rodgers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Our Loss it Watfords gain now. They have signed two defenders in one day. So now we are left with Perry, Svensson and Lancashire to cover 2 CB positions. Worried????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I'm sure that, 96 years after the event, they wouldn't be all that bothered and would have the sense to realise it was a throw-away comment on a football message board. So it is okay then? Fine, let's carry on likening our fortunes with real disasters and tragedies. How about likening it to 9/11 next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 (edited) It's on the OS now. OS says it was HIS (Cork's) decision to link up again with Brendan Rodgers! That wont stop people having a pop at the board will it. Having said that, so much for being happy here and wanting to stay!!! Edited 2 January, 2009 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 So it is okay then? Fine, let's carry on likening our fortunes with real disasters and tragedies. How about likening it to 9/11 next? Get a life mate, your grip on reality is tumbling like the twin towers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 So it is okay then? Fine, let's carry on likening our fortunes with real disasters and tragedies. How about likening it to 9/11 next? Are you saying the use of idioms went out with the Ark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I am very surprised (and concerned) about this `move'. Cork must have been settled here, he was guarenteed first team football and we were playing a passing 4-3-3??? game. The only reason I could see for a move to Watford was the link wit the manager but for 5 months it hardly seems worth it - unless of course Watford intend to buy him in the summer (which we obviously can't afford to do). I hope we are not relying on Wotton to cover CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 How can you talk of decency? You support Lowe and that makes you a traitor. Jesus Stanley take a chill pill I disagree with SOG on almost everything he has a different opinion to us. He is not a traitor as he has always stood by said opinion, which he as a fellow Saints supporter/fan is entitled to. Now Wilde is a traitor of the biggest type possible. Its a sh**er that Corks gone but we are where we are & his early mentor is in charge at Watford & been given the chance to play with him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Get a life mate, your grip on reality is tumbling like the twin towers. I am not the one making stupid comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 My hero, jeez Stanley have you morphed into Alpine or something? As for your comment, this is just football we are talking about. I used to think Saints fans were decent people but comments like that make me wonder. thats the trouble with those who have warped logic,they twist your words next i expect you will be called a traitor by these nutters:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 How can you talk of decency? You support Lowe and that makes you a traitor. A traitor??? Oh dear. I support the club. You have withdrawn your financial support, what does that make you Stanley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Are you saying the use of idioms went out with the Ark? I am saying that what is happening at SFC can hardly be compared to the loss of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I am very surprised (and concerned) about this `move'. Cork must have been settled here, he was guarenteed first team football and we were playing a passing 4-3-3??? game. The only reason I could see for a move to Watford was the link wit the manager but for 5 months it hardly seems worth it - unless of course Watford intend to buy him in the summer (which we obviously can't afford to do). I hope we are not relying on Wotton to cover CB. wotton won't play for us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I am not the one making stupid comparisons. It just the expressive use of language, titanic has been use for years as an expression of size or disaster, added to that it sailed from Southampton. So please get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 wotton won't play for us again. thank god. I just wonder if Cork has signed for Watford because it allows Chelsea to recall him at some point towards the end of the season. As Cork had already been loaned to us before, any new loan agreement with us would have to be till the end of the season with no recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I am saying that what is happening at SFC can hardly be compared to the loss of life. An idiom is a phrase whose meaning cannot be made sense of from the literal definition, but refers instead to a figurative meaning that is known only through common use. In linguistics, idioms are widely assumed to be figures of speech that contradict the principle of compositionality; however, this has shown to be a subject of debate. John Saeed defines an idiom as words collocated together happen to become fossilized, becoming fixed over time.[1] This collocation -- words commonly used in a group -- changes the definition of each of the words that exist. As an expression, the word-group becomes a team, so to speak. That is, the collocated words develop a specialized meaning as a whole and an idiom is born; for instance, "He really threw me a curve when on our first date he asked if I could pay for the dinner." Note, in some cultures, when a man and a woman are courting each other, the male is traditionally the one who takes up the bill or pays the bill; however, times change and in many modern societies, a lot of couples go Dutch (yet another idiom). [edit] Background In the English expression to kick the bucket, for example, a listener knowing only the meaning of kick and bucket would be unable to deduce the expression's actual meaning, which is to die. Although it can refer literally to the act of striking a specific bucket with a foot, native speakers rarely use it that way. It cannot be directly translated to other languages – for example, the same expression in Polish is kopnąć w kalendarz (to kick the calendar), with the calendar being as detached from its usual meaning as the bucket in the English phrase is. The same expression in Dutch is het loodje leggen (to lay the piece of lead), which is entirely different from the English expression, too. Other expressions include break a leg and fit as a fiddle. Another kind of idiom is the use of a single word to have multiple meanings, sometimes at the same time, and sometimes one meaning to be discerned from context. This can be seen in the (mostly uninflected) English language in the common use of the same word for an activity, for those engaged in it, and sometimes for a verb. Idioms hence tend to confuse those not already familiar with them; students of a new language must learn its idiomatic expressions the way they learn its other vocabulary. Many natural language words have idiomatic origins, but have been sufficiently assimilated so that their figurative senses have been lost. [edit] Idioms and culture An idiom is generally a colloquial metaphor — a term which requires some foundational knowledge, information, or experience, to use only within a culture where parties must have common reference. Idioms are therefore not considered a part of the language, but rather a part of the culture. As cultures are typically localized, idioms are often not useful outside of that local context. However some idioms can be more universally used than others, and they can be easily translated, metaphorical meaning can be more easily deduced. While many idioms are clearly based in conceptual metaphors such as "time as a substance", "time as a path", "love as war" or "up is more", the idioms themselves are often not particularly essential, even when the metaphors themselves are. For example, "spend time", "battle of the sexes", and "back in the day" are idiomatic and based in essential metaphors. These "deep metaphors" and their relationship to human cognition are discussed by George Lakoff and Mark Johnson in their 1980 book Metaphors We Live By. In forms like "profits are up", the metaphor is carried by "up" itself. The phrase "profits are up" is not itself an idiom. Practically anything measurable can be used in place of "profits": "crime is up", "satisfaction is up", "complaints are up" etc. Truly essential idioms generally involve prepositions, for example "out of" or "turn into". Interestingly, many Chinese characters are likewise idiomatic constructs, as their meanings are more often not traceable to a literal (i.e. pictographic) meaning of their assembled parts, or radicals. Because all characters are composed from a relatively small base of about 214 radicals, their assembled meanings follow several different modes of interpretation - from the pictographic to the metaphorical to those whose original meaning has been lost in history. It may be a feature that helps everyday life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 thank god. I just wonder if Cork has signed for Watford because it allows Chelsea to recall him at some point towards the end of the season. As Cork had already been loaned to us before, any new loan agreement with us would have to be till the end of the season with no recall. I doubt it, they've recalled Mancienne from Wolves and he must be higher in the pecking order than Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Best of luck to the lad and thanks for the decent work he put in at the back for half a season. Also thanks to Chelsea for letting us have him in the first place. It's a shame that Chairman Lowe didn't arrive on loan as he would have already been sent back marked as 'Damaged Goods'. Lowe Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I doubt it, they've recalled Mancienne from Wolves and he must be higher in the pecking order than Cork. so what, this new loan still allows Chelsea to play Cork in the first team towards the end of the season if they want. Besides Cork is not a CB IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 How about Watford offered Chelsea and Cork considerably more money than saints have. Oh I forgot that doesn't fit in with your agenda, so let gloss over any other options. No, you are just plain wrong. It seems Jack "I love Saints and want to stay" Cork preferred to play for Watford than us. So, we really impressed the hell out of him them. An old saying about rats, a sinking ship and desertion springs to mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Did I miss something? Did hundreds of people just die??? How truly anal-retentive.. The last available, desperate put-down of criticism of Lowe's incompetence: "Nobody has died" You really have surpassed even your ridiculous standards on this thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 An old saying about rats, a sinking ship and desertion springs to mind... Steady....you'll have 'sadoldgit' pointing us in the direction of the Rat Protection League if you're not careful.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMoo2 Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Is your brother Cork's agent No he is football operations manager at Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 So against United it'll be Lancashire and Perry? Or perhaps another one of the youth team centre backs? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 You heard it here first! Will be announced officially very shortly. Absolutely gutted about this. It's a massive blow to lose Cork but with Brendan Rogers' Chelsea connections it's hardly a surprise. What's key here is why did Chelsea prefer him to be at Watford and not Saints? Badly run relegation certs with a crap manager or team rebuilding with potential? Did Jack say, 'This is ****, not staying here?' Did Lowe say 'Too expensive?' Doesnt matter either way - Personally, I think Chelsea dont rate our youth policy personally and we wont be seeing any more loans from them and probably dont want to risk a decent player by demoralising him any further under Lowe and JP. Damning indicement for Lowe's youth policy this. DAMNING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 What's key here is why did Chelsea prefer him to be at Watford and not Saints? Badly run relegation certs with a crap manager or team rebuilding with potential? Did Jack say, 'This is ****, not staying here?' Did Lowe say 'Too expensive?' Doesnt matter either way - Personally, I think Chelsea dont rate our youth policy personally and we wont be seeing any more loans from them and probably dont want to risk a decent player by demoralising him any further under Lowe and JP. Damning indicement for Lowe's youth policy this. DAMNING. lol do you ever post about anything other than lowe.. about 3 years ago..we all had hardons about how great our youth policy was when we had theo then bale in the team....laughing at pompey etc.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 lol do you ever post about anything other than lowe.. about 3 years ago..we all had hardons about how great our youth policy was when we had theo then bale in the team....laughing at pompey etc.. lol Youth policy has changed into a 1st team policy - that has failed. I wont post much else presently - because LOWE has been, is and will be the failing of this club until he's removed Delldays. As you know more than most - leadership starts at the top, if you'd put a crap Captain in charge of a submarine his boat is crap. In the RN Lowe wouldve been sacked along time ago. The club can never be united whilst he has ANY form of influence. He IS the problem along with the plc that created him. Saying it for years and will continue to until it goes. LOWE HAS TO GO. LAWRIE MAC HAS STAKED HIS REPUTATION ON IT... HE DARES MAKE A STAND... I WANT TO SEE ILLINGWORTH AND OTHERS FOLLOW HIS LEAD AND GET LOWE OUT WHILE HIS VULNERABLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Youth policy has changed into a 1st team policy - that has failed. . so...lowe does not make it policy and he gets slated for using the academy (and I quote).."to line his own pockets"...he makes the academy the main source of players..he gets slated.. I remember when arry said live on telly (after the southend cup game) that using youth players was NOT the way to go.. and guess what..HE GOT SLATED BY SAINTS FANS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 so...lowe does not make it policy and he gets slated for using the academy (and I quote).."to line his own pockets"...he makes the academy the main source of players..he gets slated.. I remember when arry said live on telly (after the southend cup game) that using youth players was NOT the way to go.. and guess what..HE GOT SLATED BY SAINTS FANS.... He didnt - I believe most of us said 'Yeah, you know what? Harry's right.' You cant win anything with kids. ESPECIALLY in this league.... the evidence for this is now overwhelming. Most of us were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 He didnt - I believe most of us said 'Yeah, you know what? Harry's right.' now I know you are ****ed up if you think fans thought that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 now I know you are ****ed up if you think fans thought that... You're talking ****e Dulldays and you know you are. Most fans have always been up for the introduction of an element of youth, it's part of their development to learn from the experience of the games and others. One or two youth players are a good idea. Not a bloody team. That's what Harry was proving at Northampton (I seem to recall it was). He played loads of nippas... they failed. Point made to SCW and Lowe by Harry. Sorry mate but you're on cloud cuckoo land if you think most people campaigned for youth on this messageboard or others. I dont recall anything of the sort - other than 'he's doing well give him a chance'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 You're talking ****e Dulldays and you know you are. Most fans have always been up for the introduction of an element of youth, it's part of their development to learn from the experience of the games and others. One or two youth players are a good idea. Not a bloody team. That's what Harry was proving at Northampton (I seem to recall it was). He played loads of nippas... they failed. Point made to SCW and Lowe by Harry. Sorry mate but you're on cloud cuckoo land if you think most people campaigned for youth on this messageboard or others. I dont recall anything of the sort - other than 'he's doing well give him a chance'. so..are you saying (and trying to keep credibility) that most saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? is that what you are claiming...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 so..are you saying (and trying to keep credibility) that most saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? is that what you are claiming...? Would you like Harry and a decent owner right now or JP and Lowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 so..are you saying (and trying to keep credibility) that most saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? is that what you are claiming...? I am saying that you're talking rubbish if you honestly believe the majority of fans thought that establishing a youth team as our 1st team was a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 I am saying that you're talking rubbish if you honestly believe the majority of fans thought that establishing a youth team as our 1st team was a good idea. I say again...in response to what you claimed ..are you saying a majority of saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? simple yes or no will do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 I say again...in response to what you claimed ..are you saying a majority of saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? simple yes or no will do.. ...and I await your reply, which I believe answers your question in a whole lot of historical and contemporary ways.... Harry Redknapp and a decent owner or Lowe/JP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 ...and I await your reply, which I believe answers your question in a whole lot of historical and contemporary ways.... Harry Redknapp and a decent owner or Lowe/JP? no..i would not want arry here..after what he did to us..the way he could not be bothered and stayed when his heart was not in it..the same as burley really... I have answered yours (even though I asked you first) so...are you saying a majority of saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? Yes or No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 ...and I await your reply, which I believe answers your question in a whole lot of historical and contemporary ways.... Harry Redknapp and a decent owner or Lowe/JP? That is plain stupid Harry would never come here all he wants is a club with loads of money. We have none partly down to Harry that is why we have Lowe and JP. We have to live in the real world not in some fantasy world where everything Lowe does is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 I have answered yours (even though I asked you first) so...are you saying a majority of saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? Yes or No On that issue, of course they did. Whether they agreed with the way he went about proving his point is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 no..i would not want arry here..after what he did to us..the way he could not be bothered and stayed when his heart was not in it..the same as burley really... I have answered yours (even though I asked you first) so...are you saying a majority of saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? Yes or No I thought Burley and Redknapp were good appointments but they did not turn out to be and have lead us into the horrible position we are in today. Lowe appointed both so it must be his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 no..i would not want arry here..after what he did to us..the way he could not be bothered and stayed when his heart was not in it..the same as burley really... I have answered yours (even though I asked you first) so...are you saying a majority of saints fans agreed with HARRY REDKNAPP..? Yes or No I see you do prefer JP as a manager to Harry? OK...swirlyeyethingy Now, I think the majority of fans disagreed with Harry's disloyalty, concur with Harry that you can't win anything with kids (particularly now the evidence is overwhelming), and unlike you would bite the arm off for a chance to have him back under a new owner IF THE CHOICE WAS HIM OR JP... but it is highly unlikely scenario ... so back to reality.... our Club is failing and falling because of this Dutch youth project that it is on its way to becoming a glorified League1/2 youth production business for the CCC and Premier League in order to keep the plc alive. So, attack the problem at source and you gain a longterm solution. Allow Lowe and the plc to continue and it keeps coming back and back and back to grind you down. It HAS to be stopped. Lawrie Mac realises this - time to follow his lead... starting tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Dyer has also gone back out on loan, this time to Swansea, according to the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Dyer has also gone back out on loan, this time to Swansea, according to the OS. Oh no. I dont believe it... really? It gets worse doesnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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