Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 (edited) Clyne and Bertrand make England squad vs Slovenia Austin, Heaton and Vardy also called up Edited 21 May, 2015 by Smirking_Saint I might be having a breakdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Clyne and England make Englamd squad vs Slovenia Austin and Vardy also called up 53 million man squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 I'm glad England made the England squad, would have been odd if they had made the Wale squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2015 What the **** is wrong with me lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 What the **** is wrong with me lately Come and sit on my knee and tell me all about it. Werthers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Vardy...? You don't have to do much to make the squad up top these days do you. As average as it gets, never an international player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Vardy? He's an ok player, but is he England international quality - dont think so. Like others have said, not many other options with Ings, Berahino, Kane etc all in U21s and J-Rod injured. Doubt he'll play in the qualifier though, better to go with Walcott up front if Rooney / Welbeck / Austin arent playing. Happy for Austin, has deserved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Seems odd. I get that plenty in front of him are in the u21s, which does make sense for once, but still. Odd to just throw caps at people who are clearly that average and would have no chance normally. Might as well just stick with Lambert in that situation, or just go one striker light. Its a strange situation certainly but I think Im happier with a stronger u21s line up, I wouldnt imagine Vardy is going to get an aweful lot of game time anyway, and Id rather the likes of Kane etc get more U21s experience instead of a couple of pretty meaningless games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Vardy is worth a look. What is the alternative? He doesn't have great quality on the ball but he has a lot of other things going for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint78 Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 an English Shane Long if you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 (edited) Vardy's playing through injury. Needs prematch injections in his foot. Edited 21 May, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Clyne and Bertrand make England squad vs Slovenia Austin, Heaton and Vardy also called up Great, that's pushed their asking prices up by £5M - current England internationals!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Vardy...? You don't have to do much to make the squad up top these days do you. As average as it gets, never an international player Vardy? He's an ok player, but is he England international quality - dont think so. Like others have said, not many other options with Ings, Berahino, Kane etc all in U21s and J-Rod injured. Doubt he'll play in the qualifier though, better to go with Walcott up front if Rooney / Welbeck / Austin arent playing. Happy for Austin, has deserved it. So you don't rate Vardy then! Just what is needed. Pacy and direct. Just hope he doesn't play RM to accommodate Rooney! If he plays, agreed he is probably backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Great, that's pushed their asking prices up by £5M - current England internationals!!! To be fair, it's what we did last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 So you don't rate Vardy then! Just what is needed. Pacy and direct. Just hope he doesn't play RM to accommodate Rooney! If he plays, agreed he is probably backup. If Vardy is "just what is needed" then I don't even want to know what the level of ambition is. You don't see the other major European nations dishing out token call ups to people who play for lower level teams and scored 4 goals all season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Vardy is worth a go - seems to me you don't have to be much cop to play for England these days, at least outside tournaments, because of the opposition we face. When you're up against teams like Andorra and Estonia do you need a team full of Galacticos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 (edited) So you don't rate Vardy then! Just what is needed. Pacy and direct. Just hope he doesn't play RM to accommodate Rooney! If he plays, agreed he is probably backup. Is that to say you rate Vardy above Rooney? Note: I have no issue with Vardy's call up...but I did double-take...more than once Edited 21 May, 2015 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 may as well have a look at Vardy. Been very good for Leicester. So why not we are about to enter into a good era for England. Some excellent players in the U21's coming through. No doubt we will make an utter pigs ear of it and many of those in the U21's will hardly feature for England unless they warm the bench at Liverpool/united Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 I really don't get this "he's been good for Leicester". In which case why not call up Puncheon? He's outscored Vardy and has been part of a Palace side who've been excellent since Pardew took over. I just don't see the point of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 I really don't get this "he's been good for Leicester". In which case why not call up Puncheon? He's outscored Vardy and has been part of a Palace side who've been excellent since Pardew took over. I just don't see the point of it you are right, puncheon does deserve a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 you are right, puncheon does deserve a chance. Very droll. The point remains, why are we bothering to call up this caliber of player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Very droll. The point remains, why are we bothering to call up this caliber of player? Because we need to fill a squad place and Southgates been told his 'picks' take priority. What are hodgsons alternatives in reality ? Downing ? Zaha ? Puncheon ? Is Vardy good enough... No... Not imo, but I hope he grabs the opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Taking a striker who has only scored 4 goals is a joke imo id rather take an extra defender or midfielder than a substandard forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Is that to say you rate Vardy above Rooney? Note: I have no issue with Vardy's call up...but I did double-take...more than once Rooney seems to be an automatic choice in whatever position he wants to play, so others are pushed out wide or told to play supporting roles. That frustrates me. I think England play better without Rooney in the team. Yes, I'm sure Vardy wouldn't get a call up if Kane et al were available, but I'd like to see Vardy play central and running at players. We don't see a lot of that now. Example: Arsenal tippy tappy, through the eye of a needle ... (yawn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 (edited) Rooney seems to be an automatic choice in whatever position he wants to play, so others are pushed out wide or told to play supporting roles. That frustrates me. I think England play better without Rooney in the team. Yes, I'm sure Vardy wouldn't get a call up if Kane et al were available, but I'd like to see Vardy play central and running at players. We don't see a lot of that now. Example: Arsenal tippy tappy, through the eye of a needle ... (yawn) Duly noted. On that point though, isn't Vardy more of a wide forward\channel runner anyway? (rather than the tip of the spear) Well, he plays in a front two at Leicester...but wouldn't transitioning to a wide-forward role suit him better than a similar move to (sole) target man? P.S My perception of Vardy is that he runs behind players, not at them (unless pressing). Edited 21 May, 2015 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Duly noted. On that point though, isn't Vardy more of a wide forward\channel runner anyway? (rather than the tip of the spear) Well, he plays in a front two at Leicester...but wouldn't transitioning to a wide-forward role suit him better than a similar move to (sole) target man? P.S My perception of Vardy is that he runs behind players, not at them (unless pressing). Yeh you're right Donny think Jay Rod without the goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Tbh that sounds very much like they are trying to build the team at u21 level with a view to making a serious challenge for some cups when the players make the senior side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Well done to both - deserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Duly noted. On that point though, isn't Vardy more of a wide forward\channel runner anyway? (rather than the tip of the spear) Well, he plays in a front two at Leicester...but wouldn't transitioning to a wide-forward role suit him better than a similar move to (sole) target man? P.S My perception of Vardy is that he runs behind players, not at them (unless pressing). Spot on really I dont envisage him getting much game time really, he'll play the usual 433/4231 stuff with rooney through the middle, the majority of the squad picks itself. He has Sterling and Barkley not to mention Walcott and lallana back. For once Englands real issue is in CM, a problem we've not really had over the years. No real holding midfielder, probably Wilshere the best of the lot (if he turns up and stays fit), Delph and Henderson are pretty uninspiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Personally think Cork or Shelvey should have had a look in... I'm sure they were considered but meh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Lambert and Shaw not in this time then. What happened to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Lambert should be nowhere near the squad. Shaw is still injured I think and we've got enough decent LB not to need him if there are doubts. Vardy though... I remember a time when Fowler, Le Tissier, Ian Wright and Andy Cole couldn't get into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Lambert should be nowhere near the squad. Shaw is still injured I think and we've got enough decent LB not to need him if there are doubts. Vardy though... I remember a time when Fowler, Le Tissier, Ian Wright and Andy Cole couldn't get into the team. I also remember a time when Brian Deane could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 I also remember a time when Brian Deane could. Carlton Palmer, David Nugent, Darren Anderton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Vardy has done ok for Leicester in recent weeks but his key attribute does seem to be he runs around a lot. Doesn't exactly give much credence to the notion we are making a comeback as a football power, does it? Still, if he's all we have to turn to, good luck to the fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 May, 2015 Share Posted 21 May, 2015 Carlton Palmer, David Nugent, Darren Anderton... ...john effing barnes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 Spot on really I dont envisage him getting much game time really, he'll play the usual 433/4231 stuff with rooney through the middle, the majority of the squad picks itself. He has Sterling and Barkley not to mention Walcott and lallana back. For once Englands real issue is in CM, a problem we've not really had over the years. No real holding midfielder, probably Wilshere the best of the lot (if he turns up and stays fit), Delph and Henderson are pretty uninspiring It's been the problem since before the World Cup. Or since someone thought Gerrard could play there, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 ...john effing barnes..... John Barnes was superb at club level for around 5 years. The fact he was dismal (with one exception) for England was almost certainly not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 John Barnes was superb at club level for around 5 years. The fact he was dismal (with one exception) for England was almost certainly not his fault. That's the point. He was dreadful for England, but still got picked relentlessly by a succession of managers despite his continuously abysmal national form. Compare that for example with mlt who barely got a look in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 That's the point. He was dreadful for England, but still got picked relentlessly by a succession of managers despite his continuously abysmal national form. Compare that for example with mlt who barely got a look in. Not sure why he wouldn't continue to get picked if he was still playing well for his club though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 Vardy is worth a go - seems to me you don't have to be much cop to play for England these days, at least outside tournaments, because of the opposition we face. When you're up against teams like Andorra and Estonia do you need a team full of Galacticos? In that case Cork, Dyer, Puncheon, Noble and Ings should all be given a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 If Vardy is "just what is needed" then I don't even want to know what the level of ambition is. You don't see the other major European nations dishing out token call ups to people who play for lower level teams and scored 4 goals all season.... Italy? (Osvaldo, Balotelli, Borini have had call ups in the past. I remember Osvaldo's being surprising at the time with us.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 Italy? (Osvaldo, Balotelli, Borini have had call ups in the past. I remember Osvaldo's being surprising at the time with us.) So you're suggesting those players are in fact akin to playing Jamie Vardy in your side? Borini yes. One token call up. Despite his many failings Bolotelli had a 1 in 3 goal ration at Inter, AC and City and 33 Italy caps. Osvaldo 1 in 2 at Roma and Espanyol before he came to us and 14 caps. Now I know Vardy had scored 31 in 36 at Fleetwood but ultimately, not remotely the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 22 May, 2015 It's been the problem since before the World Cup. Or since someone thought Gerrard could play there, anyway. I, personally, think he could have done a better job if we employed a 3 man midfield, but yes, thinking he, pretty much alone, after witnessing his end to the season (he looked bloody tired) was crazy. You are correct by the way, we are poor in midfield right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 Not sure why he wouldn't continue to get picked if he was still playing well for his club though. Exactly. But I don't know if you're referring to barnes or mlt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 Bertrand in full squad, Targett in U21s, Shaw on the beach. Thank you and good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 May, 2015 Share Posted 22 May, 2015 Bertrand in full squad, Targett in U21s, Shaw and Chambers on the beach. Thank you and good night. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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